Abolish NS?
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I dont think u all have to worry much.. trust me... by the time ur kids have children... SAF will be served by androids... future generation can continue to live in peace
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I think they muz invent some light-but-powerful weapon. Even a fat guy can kill 1792897 enemy in the war zone. Why waste time training us for what?
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The importance of NS differ for everyone. Everything has its own pro and cons. On the micro level it can be said to be aa waste of 2 years. Due to globalisation everything is moving rapidly. Remaining stagnant for 2 years is really a big economical disadvantage. It has been estimated that for a graduate 1 year in monetary term is 30k or more (please do not look at starting pay but look at the precious time for investment too. starting early also means a better earning and also promotions). On a macro level a country will always need a army for time of emergency. Emergency refer to internal strife or war. The army need not be strong enough to destroy a army of 10 million though being able is a best scenario. It must be strong enough to hold the enemies back till helps arrive. This is also one of the reason for our avid friendship building and also participation in the UN. Being able to deter can be equivalent to saving the country.
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I agreed cause not every servicemen can pass all 5 station. What is ur occupation for day n night?Originally posted by thickskin23:I think NS is basically your first exposure to the real world. You will learn that this world is unfair, why does the minister's sons mostly or in fact all either get into OCS or become clerks that does not need to do a single guard duties even when they are Pes C1 which means that they are eligible to do guard duties just like any one of us.
To me the scariest part of NS is actually after you ORD. You have to pass IPPT every year, if you fail you have to attend remedial sessions. I, myself ord 1 year ago, i have to juggle 2 jobs, one day job and another night job.
I am not afraid of IPPT in fact i been training regularly. I make time to run every night around 1 a.m. down the park under my house after i finish my night job. I pass 4 stations out of the five station 5 points each. The only station i fail is my shuttle run. My boss is threatening me if i had to attend a RT session, he will not hesitate to sack me. I just feel that the most important stations in IPPT is chin ups and 2.4 km run. I pass these 2 stations with 5 points. I really wish the SAF to be kind maybe they could grant an NS guy a subsidary pass if he manage to pass 4 stations.
Look at some of the regulars in the army, they are fat and some of them cannot even pass their IPPT despite they have all the access to the gym which is just a stone drop distance from their office, yet most of them rather go for canteen breaks to eat roti pratas with eggs or chicken cutlets. I am just dissappoint that my main bread n butter is at stake cause i cannot pass shuttle run. I mean whats the point of running for 10 seconds to grab some blocks. -
It's people like your employer that needs a huge wake-up call. There are too many ingrates in this world who can hire employees but seem to run their business on such a tight margin that if the employee goes for RT, the company looks like it's going to collapse?Originally posted by thickskin23:I think NS is basically your first exposure to the real world. You will learn that this world is unfair, why does the minister's sons mostly or in fact all either get into OCS or become clerks that does not need to do a single guard duties even when they are Pes C1 which means that they are eligible to do guard duties just like any one of us.
To me the scariest part of NS is actually after you ORD. You have to pass IPPT every year, if you fail you have to attend remedial sessions. I, myself ord 1 year ago, i have to juggle 2 jobs, one day job and another night job.
I am not afraid of IPPT in fact i been training regularly. I make time to run every night around 1 a.m. down the park under my house after i finish my night job. I pass 4 stations out of the five station 5 points each. The only station i fail is my shuttle run. My boss is threatening me if i had to attend a RT session, he will not hesitate to sack me. I just feel that the most important stations in IPPT is chin ups and 2.4 km run. I pass these 2 stations with 5 points. I really wish the SAF to be kind maybe they could grant an NS guy a subsidary pass if he manage to pass 4 stations.
Look at some of the regulars in the army, they are fat and some of them cannot even pass their IPPT despite they have all the access to the gym which is just a stone drop distance from their office, yet most of them rather go for canteen breaks to eat roti pratas with eggs or chicken cutlets. I am just dissappoint that my main bread n butter is at stake cause i cannot pass shuttle run. I mean whats the point of running for 10 seconds to grab some blocks.
Collapse my balls.If I were HR, your manager would get a very harsh "wake-the-fuck-up" letter. -
Yah hor...Originally posted by Icemoon:Bomb disposal team (EOD) can come from police .. like HK.
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i totally agrees with u on this, dude. i hate it when employers threaten to sack their employees if they need to go for RT or get called up for reservist. this type of narrow minded, self-fish people really need to wake up their ideas.Originally posted by LazerLordz:It's people like your employer that needs a huge wake-up call. There are too many ingrates in this world who can hire employees but seem to run their business on such a tight margin that if the employee goes for RT, the company looks like it's going to collapse?
Collapse my balls.If I were HR, your manager would get a very harsh "wake-the-fuck-up" letter. -
Actually there is a VERY good reason why sprinting and sudden changes in direction are important in the military. When you sprint from cover to cover, you are using the muscles that are important for shuttle run. If you take the time to train, about an hour a day 3 times a week, you'll save yourself a world of grief. In fact, you will find in the field, that aerobic fitness (which you need for 2.4) is seldom really needed.Originally posted by thickskin23:I think NS is basically your first exposure to the real world. You will learn that this world is unfair, why does the minister's sons mostly or in fact all either get into OCS or become clerks that does not need to do a single guard duties even when they are Pes C1 which means that they are eligible to do guard duties just like any one of us.
To me the scariest part of NS is actually after you ORD. You have to pass IPPT every year, if you fail you have to attend remedial sessions. I, myself ord 1 year ago, i have to juggle 2 jobs, one day job and another night job.
I am not afraid of IPPT in fact i been training regularly. I make time to run every night around 1 a.m. down the park under my house after i finish my night job. I pass 4 stations out of the five station 5 points each. The only station i fail is my shuttle run. My boss is threatening me if i had to attend a RT session, he will not hesitate to sack me. I just feel that the most important stations in IPPT is chin ups and 2.4 km run. I pass these 2 stations with 5 points. I really wish the SAF to be kind maybe they could grant an NS guy a subsidary pass if he manage to pass 4 stations.
Look at some of the regulars in the army, they are fat and some of them cannot even pass their IPPT despite they have all the access to the gym which is just a stone drop distance from their office, yet most of them rather go for canteen breaks to eat roti pratas with eggs or chicken cutlets. I am just dissappoint that my main bread n butter is at stake cause i cannot pass shuttle run. I mean whats the point of running for 10 seconds to grab some blocks.
And the image of army regulars as being a bunch of overweight, overpaid losers who cant survive in the outside world is sadly mistaken. The ratio of overweight regulars to fit regulars isnt even 40/60... its less than 25/75. Yes, this 25% does give the rest of us a bad image. But the Army cracks down hard on them. In case you didn't know, the performance bonus for Regulars is also affected by our IPPT results, and our BMI.
And as for pay... a job in the Civil Service will usually pay about the same, with equivalent qualifications. A teacher with a degree from NUS and a diploma in education from NIE (which is NORMAL, not exceptional!!!) for instance, would earn the same than, or more, than an LTA with an equivalent degree from nus. Im using the rank of LTA cos this would be the rank a uni grad officer would be at, when his teacher counterpart has just finished NIE.
And as for not being able to survive outside the service... Ill tell you if I ever decide to leave, how im coping!
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they themselves dun need go for reservist or RT meh?Originally posted by Gordonator:i totally agrees with u on this, dude. i hate it when employers threaten to sack their employees if they need to go for RT or get called up for reservist. this type of narrow minded, self-fish people really need to wake up their ideas. -
All must be old man already.Originally posted by Icemoon:they themselves dun need go for reservist or RT meh? 
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i think why some employers threaten to fire u if u go ict or rt is becoz they themselves are operating at a very tight margin, or they could be operating at a loss... if u going for rt or ict is going to add to their burden, it's true they wont hesitate to fire you.. coz end of the day... the business is more impt than 1 individual employee. it's a fact of life, which is why some nsmen find it unfair. having to struggle with job, provide for family, and still protect nation... it's even harder if u are not highly educated and holding odd jobs which they can sack u easily. now is like u are at the mercy of either ur employer being understanding, or ur unit being understanding and let u defer.
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I think under the law, any employers found to dismiss his employee illegally can be sued by the employee. I think so far in Spre, no reservist had brought the employer to court for threatening to be dismissed by going back for reservist.Originally posted by Gordonator:i totally agrees with u on this, dude. i hate it when employers threaten to sack their employees if they need to go for RT or get called up for reservist. this type of narrow minded, self-fish people really need to wake up their ideas. -
Oh yes, can complain to Ministry of Manpower. They'll sue for you.Originally posted by will4:I think under the law, any employers found to dismiss his employee illegally can be sued by the employee. I think so far in Spre, no reservist had brought the employer to court for threatening to be dismissed by going back for reservist.
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I think if come to think of it, a reservist is informed six month before the start of his in camp training, his boss is also informed. If the boss is not able toOriginally posted by photo_seeker:Oh yes, can complain to Ministry of Manpower. They'll sue for you.
release his employee to go back for in camp training, it mean his boss is not capable of managing in the first place. -
what the heck are they doing running a business at a tight margin.Originally posted by leddy:i think why some employers threaten to fire u if u go ict or rt is becoz they themselves are operating at a very tight margin, or they could be operating at a loss... if u going for rt or ict is going to add to their burden, it's true they wont hesitate to fire you.. coz end of the day... the business is more impt than 1 individual employee. it's a fact of life, which is why some nsmen find it unfair. having to struggle with job, provide for family, and still protect nation... it's even harder if u are not highly educated and holding odd jobs which they can sack u easily. now is like u are at the mercy of either ur employer being understanding, or ur unit being understanding and let u defer.
can't run the damned thing, get the hell out.Don't waste your employees time. -
If they cant run the buisness u will not have a job in the first place. U will unemploy.Originally posted by LazerLordz:what the heck are they doing running a business at a tight margin.
can't run the damned thing, get the hell out.Don't waste your employees time. -
Now in the XXI century NS here its a waste of time , in the past was necesary but now... -
dear fellow forumers. Unless u r already over 40 yrs old. if ur boss threaten to sack u becoz u attend rt. pls inform MOM accordingly. Let them take legal action. I dun think it will be a prob for u find a new job rite. If ppl are constanly taken advantage of without knowing their employement rights, whats the use of employement law
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hmm unfortunately. i think its prob hard to prove. and i think it might have bad effects on future employment dispite what you say. of course the other side of the coin is there might be those who might help cos you did that....Originally posted by pierre^^:dear fellow forumers. Unless u r already over 40 yrs old. if ur boss threaten to sack u becoz u attend rt. pls inform MOM accordingly. Let them take legal action. I dun think it will be a prob for u find a new job rite. If ppl are constanly taken advantage of without knowing their employement rights, whats the use of employement law -
that is why ppl are taking advantage of the fear to speak up. That is why ppl rather write letters to news paper to complain abt this person not giving seat then shame the person at that time. Thats y the 3 ns guy give their money to a msia guy jus becoz he wan them so. our nation is getting realli ham chi. too much protection liao too safe liao everyone only noe hw to play safe.
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why abolish ns?
ns should be fun mahz... -
Bomb disposal team (EOD) can come from police .. like HK
contrary to popular belief that EOD teams only dispose terrorists' bombs, SAF EOD teams are capable of doing 2 things. they are:
Explosive Ordnance Disposal and Improvised Explosive Device Disposal.
the former being rendering safe unexploded ordnance left behind after WW2 or during wartime when the ordnance fails to detonate.
the latter is disposing IEDs in LIC (Low Intensity Conflict aka terrorism).
if an unexploded bomb is at a vital military installation, the military has to call the police to come and dispose the ordnance? in an AO that's not in the mainland?
btw, bombs in this case dun mean those really minute grenades. we are talking abt tank rounds, motars, artillery rounds, aerial bombs and BIG stuff like that.
so, does the HK police do EOD, or just IEDD?
also, just because theres peace now, doesnt mean that there will be peace in the future. conventional and unconventional threats to the nation must be dealt with pre-emptively, in this case, making sure that the country has the soldiers to fight a conventional/unconventional war, or as a deterrant force. -
yes. i always tell people to take NS positively, it can be fun too if u have the correct mindset.Originally posted by R3SsH|n:why abolish ns?
ns should be fun mahz...
but having said that, a bit of luck comes into consideration too, namely where u are posted to, the management, the system, your colleagues etc. -
yeah.. it sucks when soldiers act like office politicians all day, or when they like to stab another's back. or damn sarcastic. or bloody hell take MC when they are on duty so his replacement would have to do it for him.Originally posted by Gordonator:yes. i always tell people to take NS positively, it can be fun too if u have the correct mindset.
but having said that, a bit of luck comes into consideration too, namely where u are posted to, the management, the system, your colleagues etc.