RSAF Woman Pilot/WSO Career
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Yup, they have to work for 1 yr after their return from studies before their promotion.Originally posted by sbst275:Start work here means when they complete their studies
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Chey...Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Yup, they have to work for 1 yr after their return from studies before their promotion.
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well, it could just be that.Originally posted by i_heart_icecream:hmm.. maybe.. haha.. hey, speaking of that, i wonder whether my reason of being inspired to join the air force is similar to the urge 2 buy the new (insert brand) shampoo that makes hair silky soft (but end up feeling kena conned)
but still... the air force looks soooo appealing..
i still wanna know more.. keep the comments going!
but do remember, u can just throw the shampoo away and stop using it anytime u like. but a military career is bounded by a bond/contract. u can't simpily walk away if u change your mind. and this is 4,5 years of your youth we are talking about here.
do think through this careful. all the best. -
yea, for officer, the contract is till 45 yrs old. for specialist is a 10 yrs contract.Originally posted by Gordonator:well, it could just be that.
but do remember, u can just throw the shampoo away and stop using it anytime u like. but a military career is bounded by a bond/contract. u can't simpily walk away if u change your mind. and this is 4,5 years of your youth we are talking about here.
do think through this careful. all the best. -
But then, just think of it, office politics exist everywhere and Im sure backstabbing stuffs are much worse in some other (certain) ministries. just tt hierarchy is more obvious in an uniformed organisation.Originally posted by ditzy:Toughness in the military is the ability to withstand stupid red tape beareucracy, inflexibility, office politics, and backstabbing while carrying out day to day operations.
i've got another question tt's unansered so far. For ladies who sign on as regulars (like vocation-specific, not those who sign on to try for sms), wat happens if they ooc? like cannot pass the course specific for their vocation. Then will they be made to pay the liquidated "damages" for the bond? I'm worried abt that coz Im signing on, and Im not rich, I might just bankrupt! -
Huh? my results not good enough 2 get the SAF overseas scholarship lor, but good enough 2 go NTU.. That means local uni grads dun get good salary too? Then will the difference be very big if i go in with just my poly diploma as compared to me getting a degree from NTU?Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Nope, even the overseas scholars are LTAs for a year before they get their 3rd bar. The only people who can be said to 'start work' as CPTs are the MOs.
Btw, the promote 'very very fast' part is true only for SAF Overseas Scholars, it definitely does not include your run-of-the-mill uni graduate. -
Overseas grads and local grads are on the same graduate pay scale. for scholars, promotions of course faster loh.Originally posted by i_heart_icecream:Huh? my results not good enough 2 get the SAF overseas scholarship lor, but good enough 2 go NTU.. That means local uni grads dun get good salary too? Then will the difference be very big if i go in with just my poly diploma as compared to me getting a degree from NTU?
poly dip will be much lesser compare to graduates, could be a few hundreds initially. gradually, the gap widens because on diff pay scale i.e. one on dip pay scale and the other on graduate pay scale.
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re-course loh. if combatants downgraded during the course of his/her career due to injuries, he/she might be transferred to do other things or revocated to non-combat. if the vocation he/she signed on as is already non-combat, i don't think it'll make much difference.Originally posted by pandemonium:i've got another question tt's unansered so far. For ladies who sign on as regulars (like vocation-specific, not those who sign on to try for sms), wat happens if they ooc? like cannot pass the course specific for their vocation. Then will they be made to pay the liquidated "damages" for the bond? I'm worried abt that coz Im signing on, and Im not rich, I might just bankrupt! -
Hmm.. good idea.. haha.. also give myself more time 2 consider whether that's what i really whatOriginally posted by Ah Cek:Overseas grads and local grads are on the same graduate pay scale. for scholars, promotions of course faster loh.
poly dip will be much lesser compare to graduates, could be a few hundreds initially. gradually, the gap widens because on diff pay scale i.e. one on dip pay scale and the other on graduate pay scale.
why don't you get your 1st degree then join?
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don't get conned.Originally posted by i_heart_icecream:but still... the air force looks soooo appealing.. -
good good good...get a degree. later many pple will head hunt you.Originally posted by i_heart_icecream:Hmm.. good idea.. haha.. also give myself more time 2 consider whether that's what i really what
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hello i_heart_icecream , can we be friends
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speaking from experience?Originally posted by kopiosatu:don't get conned. -
From most regulars in the air force, especially Uni grads and those non-SAFOS scholars, I always hear them about wanting to quickly finish their bond and zhao. Sometimes the work can be a bit over-bearing especially with the shift work and all. No time for a proper life.Originally posted by Gordonator:speaking from experience? -
all the 28-35yo regulars at kranji camp are wondering how they'll cope with a 50-70% pay cut after ORD.
you still sure you wanna sign on? -
what do you mean?Originally posted by nismoS132:all the 28-35yo regulars at kranji camp are wondering how they'll cope with a 50-70% pay cut after ORD.
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Be prepared that the Armed Forces is really not as Glamorous as its made out to be. Well, then again, neither is being an SQ stewardess...
The perks of being in uniform would soon wear off. And so would the "pride." -
Simple wat, example:-Originally posted by pandemonium:what do you mean?
u sign on liao hor then, let say u sign 5 years. Then 5 year later:-
U earn around 2K to 4K.
Ur peers outside earn atmost 3K+
But u feel tired from SAF liao and plan to quit after the 5th year. Then u will realise 5 years of Army experience does not equal to 5 years of working experience outside.
So u take a drastic pay cut and start from a horrible 1.5K . So if u are enjoying a lifestyle of 2K to 4K, can u take 1.5k starting pay outside?
For most they can't take it if they need to start from 1.5K again.
So what they do? The sign another 5 year. After that, another 5 year, after that, another 5 year,.... until virtually they sold their life to the SAF -
straight from the horse's mouth.Originally posted by Gordonator:speaking from experience? -
Originally posted by i_heart_icecream:
Hihi, i'm 19 (turning 20 this dec) this yr... graduate from TP (communications n media management). Quite confused on which career path 2 take. I applied for NTU school of information n communication as well as NIE (dip ed).. but strangely i don't really feel the passion for these 2 courses lar.. dunno whether it's the advertisements i saw on the streets n in the magazines portraying females in SAF as very cool individuals, i'm sort of inspired 2 join la.. i'm not attracted to the "stable job" image or good pay, but rather the kind of "shuai" feeling when wearing the uniform.. haha
I'm consider air force weapon systems officer, either C3 or UAV.. but can some1 tell me more abt what they're abt? The websites don't seem 2 say much leh. very brief nia.. and i don't have any foundation on stuff like that, coz all i study is abt the media industry. then also, what r the stuff that females shld take note of when going bmt and ocs.. actually the thing i'm most worried abt is "the time on the month"..
It'll be good if some female officers can share their experience with me.. then is it very hard 2 get in also? the drop out rate high ma?
my parents keep saying that females who go SAF all very tom boy 1, n think that i too guniang liao, not suitable.. dunno leh..
EEE... air force... sux la... no honour 1... -
Originally posted by tt3:
Then what 'got honour'?
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Every vocation is important lah. -
Think twice before u sign on,i have a lot of friends regretted very much in signing on from air force ,saf and even police Lol and most of them want to opt for early release.
Don't be tempted by the commericals,the main purposes of the commercial are to attract people loh.
Since you can get into NTU,it best to go for a degree lah.A degree in Uni can be used in the society,but experience gain in army , etc is usually useless in the job sector(unless you are a pilots,technicians,MO,etc) .Before long ,time files,your bond is gone , let say u are 30 -yrs old(i am uncertain abt the time period ),if u do not continue in the forces,u will need to catch up alot in the commercial world , have to fight against young fresh graduates,it is not easy loh,unless u save up enough money to form your own business.
You might be interested in the job in army now,but to tell u the truth most people,i am saying most,have different impression towards the army b4 and after enlisting
Take a look at this
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Haha.. 'Good salary' is highly subjective lor, what's good salary to you?Originally posted by i_heart_icecream:Huh? my results not good enough 2 get the SAF overseas scholarship lor, but good enough 2 go NTU.. That means local uni grads dun get good salary too? Then will the difference be very big if i go in with just my poly diploma as compared to me getting a degree from NTU?
Ok, just to give you an idea of what the average pay is like, this is from an Army Officer recruitment booklet that's been accumulating dust on my shelf:
A Levels/Diploma:
(Pay by rank)
OCT (Officer Cadet): $1584 - $1695
2LT: $1648 - $1807
LTA: $1711 - $3201 (LTA 1 -> LTA 2 -> CPT 1)
CPT: $3171 - $5017
MAJ: $4227 - $6228
Graduate:
OCT: $2075 - $2555
2LT: (Grads skip the 2LT rank totally)
LTA: $2388 - $2823 (They go direct from LTA 1 to CPT 1)
CPT: $2472 - $5017
MAJ: $4623 - $6711
SAFOS/SMS/Grad (Good Hons):
OCT: $2555
LTA: $3303 - $3432
CPT: $3726 - $5446
MAJ: $5431 - $7162
As you can see, there are 3 distinct schemes depending on your qualification. Even with a degree, there is a world of a difference between a normal pass degree and a top honours degree/overseas scholarship. Of course ultimately, performance plays a part too.
But i think the bottomline is, no point comparing yourself to others, cos there will always be someone who is promoted faster/getting a fatter pay packet than yourself. Just ensure that it is a job that you enjoy doing, and make the most out of it. -
Originally posted by tt3:
wah piang eh, who say air force sux??? Without them,other countries suka suka use airplane to stimulate bombing on singapore already lor... Army,Navy and the air force important wan leh... Every vocation,every specs are important... Imagine without Guards or Commandos,how to strike fear into enemies' mind ??? Then without Armour or Artillary,who will use all those tanks and big guns??? But hor rarely c females wan to sign on as WSO,females in the forces are rarely seen sia... Muz encourage more to sign on but muz do some degree of researching first before signing on lah...
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Haha.. i don't think the pay can be considered 'miserable'.. pay in the uniformed services tends to be slightly higher than what someone with the same qualifications will get outside.Originally posted by i_heart_icecream:Hmm.. good idea.. haha.. also give myself more time 2 consider whether that's what i really what
i definitely don't wanna do so much n get miserable pay while seeing others getting so high pay.. haha