Sq 117 hijack
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Why don't you ask your father then?Originally posted by Simon Dean:btw my father was the one who stormed the plane.He was one of them.
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and what's your point in telling us this? to show off?Originally posted by Simon Dean:btw my father was the one who stormed the plane.He was one of them. -
to show his lau pei also terrorist...Originally posted by Gordonator:and what's your point in telling us this? to show off? -
Doubt its M16, cuz the rounds will over-pernetrate through bodies and cause collateral damage.
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With butter knives, im not surprised of they were just physically overpowered first and then executed.
Like you said, the M-16s would over penetrate, hence the safest direction to shoot is down. Otherwise, suppressed pistols would be a better option. -
yeah man. why dun u ask ur father rather than opening a thread...Originally posted by Gedanken:Why don't you ask your father then? -
nah just j/k he wasnt one who stormed the plane.But he was involved but he did not know much about the storming as compared to those in really stormed.
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So what was he?
Oh, wait, lemme guess. He happened to be waiting to board another flight at the time. Oh, no, wait - of course! Baggage handler?
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Wah, that's overkill manOriginally posted by Gedanken:So what was he?
Oh, wait, lemme guess. He happened to be waiting to board another flight at the time. Oh, no, wait - of course! Baggage handler? 
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Hey, if we're going to happily traipse into the realm of the ridiculous, so be it.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Wah, that's overkill man -
but you said your father was one of them who stormed the plane... contradicting lei...Originally posted by Simon Dean:nah just j/k he wasnt one who stormed the plane.But he was involved but he did not know much about the storming as compared to those in really stormed. 
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WTF.. You dun make any sense. Word of advice.. Drugs kill, dun do it.Originally posted by Simon Dean:nah just j/k he wasnt one who stormed the plane.But he was involved but he did not know much about the storming as compared to those in really stormed. -
dude, word of advice. If you don't wanna be ridiculed, don't make yourself sound ridiculous.Originally posted by Simon Dean:nah just j/k he wasnt one who stormed the plane.But he was involved but he did not know much about the storming as compared to those in really stormed. 
what was his involvement then? -
The hijack by the four terrorist is no meaning for the SOF cuase they r not hard core 911 hijackers prepared to die. Please take a look at
Korea special forces for comparison. -
And they would know this going through the door of the plane?Originally posted by will4:they r not hard core 911 hijackers prepared to die
It's a lot easier charging in when you know what you're dealing with. If you don't, whether you end up with a bunch of wusses or Osama's best pal Bubba doesn't make a jot of difference.
Hindsight's a terrible thing to have, and it can make you look very, very silly indeed. -
It really make a lot diffference n for ur information, Al Qaeda's terrorist have a group called Brigade 55 dedicated to protecting Osama.Originally posted by Gedanken:And they would know this going through the door of the plane?
It's a lot easier charging in when you know what you're dealing with. If you don't, whether you end up with a bunch of wusses or Osama's best pal Bubba doesn't make a jot of difference.
Hindsight's a terrible thing to have, and it can make you look very, very silly indeed. -
SQ117 - yep that was a long time ago ...
Ok here to put the fact straight ....
1)Were the hijackers armed with anything dangerous?
- they first they have onboard dinner knife as weapon, if use enough strength at right place can still kill someone
- next they took out some stuff which they claim to be explosive. That cannot be verifed by look as it may be dyname or other home make explosive, on a pack plane with fuel, you just cannot take chance and take it as explosive. Only when over then send to lab - it turn out to be fire crackers stuff.
2)Who dragged the steward away when he was pushed out of the plane
The SOF or commandos would be the people that took the stewards to safety. Depending timing, the commando which is securing the immediate parameter may be in the better position to react at that time, as remember it was a long night, SOF only move in place when the folks feel there is a need to storm the plane.
3)What weapons did SOF used during that time.
The weapons use is MP-5 ! at that time MP-5 is already in our inventories.
A lot of people are mis-lead by what they see, the inner parameter defense are the commandos they use M16, they may be wearing black also, outer is guard unit which is also M16. SOF - you don't get to see them, till action time as we need them as fresh as possible - they are only put in position when there is a possible need to board the plane. Thus what most people would see is the commando with m-16. -
You don't get it, do you? Okay, let me put this in a way a primary school kid can understand.Originally posted by will4:It really make a lot diffference n for ur information, Al Qaeda's terrorist have a group called Brigade 55 dedicated to protecting Osama.
If you don't know exactly what you're dealing with in there, is it going to make a difference in how you storm the aircraft? Don't strain your little noggin too hard thinking about the answer - I'll tell you:
NO, IT'S NOT.
Enough of the Rainbow Six fantasies - a dead bad guy is a dead bad guy, and apart from the armchair generals, nobody's actually keeping score apart from the simple number of hostages walking out of the place instead of being carried out.
If you're looking for a scoring system based on difficulty or complexity, I would recommend diving, gymnastics or perhaps synchronised swimming - CQB's obviously too simple for your liking. -
I think Gendankan's point is that, those suckers who hijacked the plane, forfeited their right to life when they threatened to kill passengers and blow up the plane.
It no longer matters what they are armed with, but what matters is that something be done before they actually do what they threatened to do.
Whether they actually had explosives is no longer important. What is important now is that the hijackers are dead before anyone else gets hurt. -
Ineed they found with plastic knives n what u called that? Explosives simply cannot work.Originally posted by Shotgun:I think Gendankan's point is that, those suckers who hijacked the plane, forfeited their right to life when they threatened to kill passengers and blow up the plane.
It no longer matters what they are armed with, but what matters is that something be done before they actually do what they threatened to do.
Whether they actually had explosives is no longer important. What is important now is that the hijackers are dead before anyone else gets hurt.
Gosh luckily no 911 hijackers of the sort during the storming.
I talked to some local over this, they said these terrorist came not prepared. -
Oh dear, oh me, oh my - one more kid with a Splinter Cell overdose.
Look, kid, it's obvious you know nothing about this so lemme lay it out for you.
The playbook's the same all over the world - the SAS does what Delta does what GSG9 does what SOF does. The whole storming routine is the same the world over, if you've managed to tear yourself away from video games long enough to notice.
I'll let you in on a really, really big secret if you promise to behave:
COUNTERTERRORIST TEAMS FROM ACROSS THE WORLD CROSS TRAIN WITH EACH OTHER AND EXCHANGE TACTICS.
OK, don't faint. It's not that big a deal.
Fact is that given the same tactical situation, there would be very little variation in how different armies' CT units would handle it. The basic operation is pretty much the same over and over again: pop the door, chuck in a few flashbangs, get in there lickety split and shoot the bad guys, preferably in the T. Weapon malfunctions, chuck it aside and go for your backup. The biggest variation would be whether you double-tap or use a three-round burst.
Hell, you don't have to be special-ops trained to know that one - any infantryman knows the drill. If you're going to get advice from a local about this kind of thing, do please try to be choosy and not get the word from some local schoolgirl.
Fact is that any army that can be considered competent has such a unit.
Fact is that no matter who the terrorist is, no matter how he's armed, the game's always played the same way - shoot first, ask questions later. That's what was done in SQ117, that's what was done at the Iranian embassy, that's what was done at Mogadishu. Different bad guys, different threat, different weapons, SAME RESULT.
Okay, so the bad guy may be wearing a Semtex bra. You think the SAS would be able to do any more about it than SOF would if the bugger decided to hit the big red button? Turn off your computer and smell the coffee.
And stop getting so hung up over the 9/11 mutts. Was Delta able to do anything about it? No. Does that make them useless? No. Why? Because the bad guys weren't interested in negotiating, and in that situation, there's sweet f*ck-all you can do about it, no matter how good you are.
Welcome to the real world, kid. -
By the way, you also seem to have missed the main point of SQ117 while you were busy scoring style points. The main thing to take away from the incident was the message that the Singaporean government sent out by sending the lads in:
We don't negotiate with terrorists, and if you want to play funny buggers, you've got about 55 seconds to regret it once that door opens. And we really don't give a rat's if you've got an AK or a pair of chopsticks.
It's as simple as that. -
I never said anything bad about Delta n anyway what Black September group?Originally posted by Gedanken:Oh dear, oh me, oh my - one more kid with a Splinter Cell overdose.
Look, kid, it's obvious you know nothing about this so lemme lay it out for you.
The playbook's the same all over the world - the SAS does what Delta does what GSG9 does what SOF does. The whole storming routine is the same the world over, if you've managed to tear yourself away from video games long enough to notice.
I'll let you in on a really, really big secret if you promise to behave:
COUNTERTERRORIST TEAMS FROM ACROSS THE WORLD CROSS TRAIN WITH EACH OTHER AND EXCHANGE TACTICS.
OK, don't faint. It's not that big a deal.
Fact is that given the same tactical situation, there would be very little variation in how different armies' CT units would handle it. The basic operation is pretty much the same over and over again: pop the door, chuck in a few flashbangs, get in there lickety split and shoot the bad guys, preferably in the T. Weapon malfunctions, chuck it aside and go for your backup. The biggest variation would be whether you double-tap or use a three-round burst.
Hell, you don't have to be special-ops trained to know that one - any infantryman knows the drill. If you're going to get advice from a local about this kind of thing, do please try to be choosy and not get the word from some local schoolgirl.
Fact is that any army that can be considered competent has such a unit.
Fact is that no matter who the terrorist is, no matter how he's armed, the game's always played the same way - shoot first, ask questions later. That's what was done in SQ117, that's what was done at the Iranian embassy, that's what was done at Mogadishu. Different bad guys, different threat, different weapons, SAME RESULT.
Okay, so the bad guy may be wearing a Semtex bra. You think the SAS would be able to do any more about it than SOF would if the bugger decided to hit the big red button? Turn off your computer and smell the coffee.
And stop getting so hung up over the 9/11 mutts. Was Delta able to do anything about it? No. Does that make them useless? No. Why? Because the bad guys weren't interested in negotiating, and in that situation, there's sweet f*ck-all you can do about it, no matter how good you are.
Welcome to the real world, kid. Anyway 911 fault lied with intelligence. -
Is it just me, or is this guy really thick?
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+1Originally posted by Gedanken:Is it just me, or is this guy really thick?