A Short Story of a NSF Garang Driver Soldier Got Charged DB.
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No doubt, this dude is disillusion, he did not really understand his role in the SAF but one question though, did the officers or specs got talk to him and "pull" him back to reality or not ah
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The malay garang soldier.Originally posted by Manager433:The indian guy or the malay guy? -
Totally Agreed,he watch too much Of Saving private Ryan.Originally posted by laoda99:This is not garang....but stupid
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1st of all, thanks Kyoy for sharing this story. quite a interesting case study, hopefully we'll get some interesting discussion and point of views.
in my opinion, there's a fine line between garang and stupidity. from your description, yup i agree he's garang in wanting to go for confidence course and taking on higher responsibility.
but even if he is granted his wish, is he capable of doing those thing? surely he understand the physical and mental aspect of going through those courses right? some people always like to say they want to go this and that, then after being into it a while, gave up easily because they cannot take it.
quite sad seeing he being sentenced to DB just because over-confidence got the better of him, his desire to impress.
can't help but feel that actually he might not be a bad person, and all this might not have happened if he was properly educated by his superiors, to tell him his ideas won't work and to bring him back to reality. -
i pity him. but what he doesnt understand is the 8th and most important saf core value: serve and f off.
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Actually the officers shold have send him for counselling or should have brief him regarding his role in the SAF when he was a trainee driver. He may be having mental stress even before the sentence into Dentention Barracks. In most cases, mental stress may be from their family source, or having low self esteem and thereby trying ways of proving himself.
In whatever sense this soldier to me sound mentally unfit to be holding arms and it is better to advise the higher authority to send him for psychological assessment before he cause harm to anyone.
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So what happened after he got recommended to the psychiatrist?
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Yes, officers and sp should advice him of the options available to him. A recomendation for a change of vocation could help him. Maybe he could have been a gung ho commando, or a computer whacking clerk. And he'd be one of the few who served NS happily.Originally posted by octega:No doubt, this dude is disillusion, he did not really understand his role in the SAF but one question though, did the officers or specs got talk to him and "pull" him back to reality or not ah
Instead the Army ruined him, and made him a nut case.
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wat a pity.. another poor chap kena DB for a moment of folly.. haiz.. most nsf jus wanna slack but kena combat units, while the minority wanna chiong but kena logistic vocations.. such irony.. perharps the chap should have sign on in the 1st place..
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Sigh - another person gets posted to the wrong vocation. He should have been an infantry man. I think he would do very well there.
But on another note, why does it appear that the driver vocation gets more than its fair share of co-cks? Is it because discipline is usually slacker? I was once on a tonner driven by this driver drove through camp as if he was in the grand prix. When scolded by another person, this arse-h0le actually talked back! -
btw, specfore, I think this thread is for you to ponder upon.
Draw from it what you will, but dun say ppl never warn you .
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yes, going to db can really break a person....
i recall hearing a story by one of the forumites about a very garang sergeant who was saboed by his men during guard duty and was sent to db....when he came back, he was a changed man....no longer as enthusiastic about life and work anymore...
sometimes really wander what DB actually do...to break these guys...something pychotic? 
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mentally stress u out..Originally posted by nightzip:yes, going to db can really break a person....
i recall hearing a story by one of the forumites about a very garang sergeant who was saboed by his men during guard duty and was sent to db....when he came back, he was a changed man....no longer as enthusiastic about life and work anymore...
sometimes really wander what DB actually do...to break these guys...something pychotic? -
I think he was mentally ill from the start......
A dog should lead a dog's life mah, what for want to be a cat. end up cannot be, only disappointing himself.
What he needs is a mirror
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At that point, i already ORDed. Last i heard, he was under the charge of a Psychiatrist officer named Major John Chong or something. Although i won't say he is crazy but it does appear that he suffer from some mental problems AFTER the DB incident.Originally posted by Uncle_MooMoo:So what happened after he got recommended to the psychiatrist?
Some of you pinpointed that it is the fault of us specialists and the MTOfficers that he ended up that way. Is that true? Of course it is.
This is partly why i penned down this "story". Definitely at this point, there is an element of guilt here. I remember myself laughing with all the specialist and even other drivers at his eccentric behaviour. It is very hard to take him seriously when he was reciting poems like "I am a bird trapped in a cage" in your face.
Now, despite already ORDing for a few months, i find myself faced with the guilt issue about whether i could have done more or done better.
But there are a few factors to consider.
1. We are only NSFs not social workers. In my opinion, the REGULARS and my encik should have been the one counselling him but they chose to laugh at him along with us. That does not lessen our guilt in any way though
2. And the more important point. The reason why nobody attempted to counsel him was because he was very dislikeable too ! He was very condescending and arrogant. He believed that he single handely could change the world and that he was smarter than everybody put together. It was hard to maintain an even temper when talking to him on a 1 to 1 basis. In a sense, this put off superiors from taking time to have a "counselling session" with him.
Again, point number 2 still won't lessen my (our MTline's?) guilt of turning an .... enthusiastic? soldier into a person with mental problems and a prison record. But what to do? I have already ORDed and have no more contact with this person.
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Being arrogant and condecending to others is the last thing you want to be during NS if you wish to get what you want or finish your service peacefully. If he tries to be modest and likeable I am sure the result would be much much different
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I think in the case of the army, discipline and listening to commands/orders is very important. Even though being a driver seems to be pretty mediocre, it still have an important role in the SAF. If every driver wishes to be a ranger, who will be around to drive the 3 tonnes ? If every soldier is not discipline and do not listen to orders, who will be around to charge through the frontline ? He may be garang, but he may become a hazard in times of war by disobeying military strategy and drive through to the frontline instead of to support supplies to impress his supervisor.
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should sent him to Guards unit
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Imo, he's got the guts to step out of line and do radical things. He's a maverick. He wants to be different and thinks he can do it.
But the problem with NS is the system in there does not suit his youthful optimism and adventurous can-do spirit. NS has 1000 rules to follow. 999 recruits probably went in to "conform" to the rules but this malay guy sure's a non-conformist and apparently, the system doesn't know how to deal with such kind of people - the system only knows how to apply punishment when a rule is broken.
I don't think the punishment will change him for the better. Perhaps, surely worse becoming an anti-gov terrorist which allows him, a maverick to express and excel - something that the NS system had disillusioned him.
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i think its more to do with how the DB does things....think they resorts to some pychotic means...
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I'm sorry but I have to disagree with most of u.
He did the wrong thing when he disabled the SWD and went above the speed limit set for Mindef/Army vehicles under normal operations.
There is a time for "garangness" and there is a time for "discipline" and compliance to orders. The soldier demonstrated a disregard for the rules and regulations, and needed to be corrected.
While his enthusiasm can be encouraged, eg his diligence in carrying out first parade tasks, it does not make up, nor cover up his lack of discipline and disregard for chain of command.
If he really wanted to do something more exciting than just being a driver, I really felt he should have contacted his unit's manpower officer to sign on. Still, his lack of discipline must be dealt with. -
well thank god he did not go to SISPEC/ OCS... this kind of guy can drive his men crazy or even to the extend of torturing his men to meet his needs..
anyway i think he got some psycho problem... he is too into this army thingy which lead him to be so 'garang' and of course, 'garang' in the wrong way.... poor chap... -
moral of the story, that's a limit to garangness. cross that line and it turns to stupidity. do what is expected from u, carry out your job professionally and stay out of trouble. we all want to finish our 2 years peacefully and get on with our lives. don't let one moment of foolishness ruin it.
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If he were to possess some prudence and a cautious approach to the things he does, he could have a better experience in the army and might be inspired to sign on if he likes the lifestyle there.
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aiya...ask tat crazy fellow to come cdo lah..oopppsss...he's a malay!!!!