scout platoon? anyone hear b4 ?
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I have plenty of respect for scouts, used to be an int spec and interact with them often.
Scouts are under Support coy but under HQ's S2 command, so in a way you have to deal with both coys. Take a look at the link mfscrewu posted above, all info you need is there.
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Orh thanks =p The combat survival training (the one with POW) is still ongoing? How does infantry training and the later recee training come in during OCS (wocc in my case)? Coz usu after commissioning, it'll be PC tour already right?Originally posted by wuming78:yes you can. but whether in the end you become a scout PC depends also on your luck - availability.
a scout PC will go through all that his men goes through for training and as far as i can remember that is all - there are no specialised scout courses which the PC goes through but no his men (besides the scout commander course) -
after u commission, u'll be posted to ur unit. after that if u are selected for the scout voc, u'll attend the scout commander course. basically u'll be an officer on course.
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exactly. and i think they have restarted CST - combat survival training, albeit in a much more toned down fashion.Originally posted by saline:after u commission, u'll be posted to ur unit. after that if u are selected for the scout voc, u'll attend the scout commander course. basically u'll be an officer on course. -
guys, so far has there been any female scout
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I had doubts abt it too hah. If chances are really low, I'd rather not go into infantry.Originally posted by saline:guys, so far has there been any female scout
Gender is a possible reason that I might not be selectd for scout, considering that a lady in the troop may slow down the gang ;p -
If comparing Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol (LRRP) with scout, maybe the LRRPs could be better trained. However, if comparing a strike company (coy) commando (cdo) with scout (assuming that this is the group you are referring to), I would say that both are entirely different.Originally posted by casino_king:It is not comparing apples with oranges. It is comparing apples and fruits. Commando, Fruits. Scouts, Apples.
Commandos, apples and oranges.
Everything a scout platoon learns; commandos would have learnt it and more.
Strike coy cdo are better trained on assault, infantry manoeuver then on reconnaissance techniques, while scouts are better trained in the latter to provide human intelligence (HUMINT) to their parent unit. In addition, scouts are also trained in various optical and signal equipments which probably a strike cdo have never even thought that it exists. Based on these reasons, it can be said that scouts are fundamentally different to a strike coy cdo and as such it may not be necessary that a cdo would have learnt it and more.
One good example would be a scout is generally trained to drive a jeep or ride a bike but not all strike cdo are trained in these aspects. -
It is an irony that LRRPs, being better trained,operate deep behind enemy line whereas Scout PL and BRCs are deploy at the front line ?
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man go through same course as our officers and specs? how big the intake for one course?Originally posted by saline:after u commission, u'll be posted to ur unit. after that if u are selected for the scout voc, u'll attend the scout commander course. basically u'll be an officer on course. -
Commander level will go for a 1.5 month RCC(Recce Comdr Course) at SMI pasir laba camp.Originally posted by DivineLightning:man go through same course as our officers and specs? how big the intake for one course?
After passing out will return to unit, come back to SMI with ur troopers as a platoon to attend the almost similar 1.5 month scout pl course. The difference is during the pl course, will learn things organic to ur vocation. Take for example, armour scouts will learn prep for ops for M113 etc etc...
Intake ah, for RCC shld be quite alot sia, platoon course more sia ! n more fun ! signal set no need commander carry ! But the most important man is ur signaller ! -
I think recce troopers also know how to do bridge and ravine recce. Regarding riverine recce, never heard before but I suppose it would be similar to a beach recce.Originally posted by LazerLordz:They were limited to SOCE operations, bridging and riverine recce.Trainees had to undergo SMI n rudimentary SERE too.
The platoon concept was not official, just a universal term to cobble these sections together
Anyway, now that I think about it, it makes some sense for Combat engineers to have some humint personnel too. Otherwise very troublesome - they will have to persuade the various COs to let them use their respective recce teams. -
how about the weapons a scout platoon carry? normal platoon organic weapons (law, saw, m203, gpmg etc) or just plain sar21 for everybody?
how about the vehicals? how many jeeps and bikes per platoon and the weapons mounted on them ?? -
Correct. But I'm not sure about it these days, but this was in the 70s and early 80s..Originally posted by lwflee:I think recce troopers also know how to do bridge and ravine recce. Regarding riverine recce, never heard before but I suppose it would be similar to a beach recce.
Anyway, now that I think about it, it makes some sense for Combat engineers to have some humint personnel too. Otherwise very troublesome - they will have to persuade the various COs to let them use their respective recce teams.
Riverine recce should be similar to coastal and beach style recce. -
SAR21. Scouts supposed to run when contacted, dun need to carry too powerful weapons haha.Originally posted by DivineLightning:how about the weapons a scout platoon carry? normal platoon organic weapons (law, saw, m203, gpmg etc) or just plain sar21 for everybody?
how about the vehicals? how many jeeps and bikes per platoon and the weapons mounted on them ??
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wad about the jeeps? dun they have gpmgs mounted on them ?
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You will know when you join. Else, you don't need to know?Originally posted by DivineLightning:wad about the jeeps? dun they have gpmgs mounted on them ? -
farking fun, but farking SHAG! but abit low morale. Second time i have to earn my jungle hat.
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We used to carry the colt carbine. Lagi best. Only wished we could do SOC with it too.Originally posted by JerzZzzZ:SAR21. Scouts supposed to run when contacted, dun need to carry too powerful weapons haha.
Recce's fun, just hate the walking part. ;(
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SOC not using carbine then meh? dun think my coy was that special to be doing that with carbine leh.Originally posted by insouciant:We used to carry the colt carbine. Lagi best. Only wished we could do SOC with it too. -
Your campany as in BRC?
We were forced to change to standard M16s as Bgd Comdr say it would demoralize the others as we were supposed to be fitter than the rest as it is. -
My SOC done with carbine.
Not much diff haha, still as shag.
Last time ATP, u use carbine or M16 for scouts/BRCs ? -
Wah lao... I think I have been cheated....Originally posted by I_love_my_toilet:My SOC done with carbine.
Not much diff haha, still as shag.
Last time ATP, u use carbine or M16 for scouts/BRCs ?
We did it with carbine once "for fun" (which the Bgd Comdr saw, which...), there was a difference, the shorter length made it less cumbersome. And the psycological thought that the carbine is lighter (barely) made it seem so muh more easier.
Didn't do ATP since as recce we weren't supposed to be assaulting pple. We did DTP. At 100m hard to miss, even with carbines. The SAW guys had a good time. -
in 35 SCE we have a survey platoon - we are considered the recce personnel of the unit and we get to wear jungle hats too. but we look at the ground to scout and identify crossing sites, approach routes etc in support of bridging operations. not so much to look out for enemy forces. i think our planning mostly assumes the AO to have been largely sanitized of enemy forces.Originally posted by lwflee:Anyway, now that I think about it, it makes some sense for Combat engineers to have some humint personnel too. Otherwise very troublesome - they will have to persuade the various COs to let them use their respective recce teams.
but i've never heard of our unit ever intending to "borrow" recce personnel from armour or infantry or whoever.