How to handle ATT C?
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Anyone has tips on handling subordinates with unbelievable ATT C rates? In 1 week can fall sick(food poisioning and headache) twice each having 2 days ATT C. And this happens very often. Is it true that once u have ATT C u have to be at home 24hrs? Otherwise considered malingering?
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if that serviceman/woman kena MO's Att C... you pretty much can't do anything.
All you need to do is make sure they are home. Not home doesn't automatically mean malingering.
If that person got outside doctor's MC... you still can't do anything.
Best is refer him/her to MO for endorsement.
You can issue an order telling him not to report sick outside. you can withdraw the right to report sick outside.. but to do so.. you need to consult OC/CO along with sufficient evidence to show he is malingering. -
And you can also teach that serviceman to be smarter....
eat food that don't cause poisoining. ahah. -
sometimes i really admire those malingerers and their acting skill. no problem also can act until like got problems.
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We should promote a culture and appreciation for arts and performances. Let us not stifle it.Originally posted by Gordonator:sometimes i really admire those malingerers and their acting skill. no problem also can act until like got problems. -
also need to check his MCs - do they always come from different clinics?Originally posted by Ponders:if that serviceman/woman kena MO's Att C... you pretty much can't do anything.
All you need to do is make sure they are home. Not home doesn't automatically mean malingering.
If that person got outside doctor's MC... you still can't do anything.
Best is refer him/her to MO for endorsement.
You can issue an order telling him not to report sick outside. you can withdraw the right to report sick outside.. but to do so.. you need to consult OC/CO along with sufficient evidence to show he is malingering.
checking if the person is at home - this should be done, but should be applied across the board, unless you want to make it very clear to him that he is being suspected of malignering.
making one report sick only in camp can be done but one has to be careful. if anything really happens to the person on his way to camp then one has to be prepared to back the instruction. the alternative is to make him report sick on at polyclinics or hospitals. -
you reallly have to tread carefully...call up the doctors he take the mc from to check what reason he took it for and the time he reported sick lor...to see if his story corrobates...if it does, i pressume there's nothing you can do lar...
(1) you ban him from taking mc outside, he go back to camp and report sick, aggravate his injury, who responsible?
(2) MO cancel his mc while he still sick, both MO and you also in deep shit...
thse. type of things must tread carefully lar... -
Get someone to drive the person from his home to the medical centre.
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and one more thing is if camp is far from my house also quite bad.Originally posted by alien09:you reallly have to tread carefully...call up the doctors he take the mc from to check what reason he took it for and the time he reported sick lor...to see if his story corrobates...if it does, i pressume there's nothing you can do lar...
(1) you ban him from taking mc outside, he go back to camp and report sick, aggravate his injury, who responsible?
(2) MO cancel his mc while he still sick, both MO and you also in deep shit...
thse. type of things must tread carefully lar... -
Maybe I'm out of date, but isn't Attend C Bunk practised anymore?
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Nowadays saf good life leh.
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Originally posted by shade343
Yes i agree but certainly not in SAF. Handling such people can sure be a real headache! I think since they like to act so much might as well transfer them to the Music and Drama company for good! Even if he stay behind also not much of use as alot of Att C, trouble the clerk some more!
We should promote a culture and appreciation for arts and performances. Let us not stifle it.
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Might still be practised for stay-in units or those on AR manning.Originally posted by Gedanken:Maybe I'm out of date, but isn't Attend C Bunk practised anymore?
KB's solution is the best. Send a driver there to drive him back to the Medical Center. If he is really ill, and has an accident on the way to camp, nothing in this world will remove the guilt. -
there's such a think as ATT C Sickbay. I got it when I had fever in tekong once. but i've heard rumours that if a soldier takes alot of small mc-s here and there, SAF can board him and extend his ORD date correspondingly...are there any truth in those rumours; MO?
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I'm not sure about extending his service time. Never heard that before. Even if someone suffered serious injuries and out for 6 months, his ORD date remains the same.
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'extend' ORD only applies if u ganna jail,,,like u AWOL or wat, ganna DB for 2 yrs...the 2 yrs not counted as NSOriginally posted by alien09:there's such a think as ATT C Sickbay. I got it when I had fever in tekong once. but i've heard rumours that if a soldier takes alot of small mc-s here and there, SAF can board him and extend his ORD date correspondingly...are there any truth in those rumours; MO? -
get him to att c in bunk
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Good God, if that is the case, my ORD would have been extended by around 10 months.Originally posted by alien09:there's such a think as ATT C Sickbay. I got it when I had fever in tekong once. but i've heard rumours that if a soldier takes alot of small mc-s here and there, SAF can board him and extend his ORD date correspondingly...are there any truth in those rumours; MO? -
Once got a superior dun allow one guy in my bunk to report sick at private clinic. Only Medical centre, hospitals and polyclinics.
But the guy was sick and his parents are somebody. Parents very angry and the MP call and write letter and the last I heard the Regular still stuck on same rank.
Good for the Regular. Want act garang. Cannot stand such people. Worse than malingering itself. -
No doctor will tell you the diagnosis of his patient...it's medical confidentiality.Originally posted by alien09:you reallly have to tread carefully...call up the doctors he take the mc from to check what reason he took it for and the time he reported sick lor...to see if his story corrobates...if it does, i pressume there's nothing you can do lar...
(1) you ban him from taking mc outside, he go back to camp and report sick, aggravate his injury, who responsible?
(2) MO cancel his mc while he still sick, both MO and you also in deep shit...
thse. type of things must tread carefully lar...
Just inform the MO of your conccerns, we have ways to detect malingerers.... -
Not true..Originally posted by Kyoy:Good God, if that is the case, my ORD would have been extended by around 10 months.
But in the past when CPLs and above have to serve half a year more, I know of kengsters who got promoted to CPL to make them serve longer. That trick can no longer be used now. -
HAHAHA!!!! nice one...reaally kill two birds with one stone...the malingerer might really believe tt his unit thinks highly of him and thus wants to promote him....maybe he wld. even stop malingering....the unit on the other hand gets to make him pay for his chaokeng antics....
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well arrange a vehicle to pick up the serviceman from home and bring him back to report sick.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:No doctor will tell you the diagnosis of his patient...it's medical confidentiality.
Just inform the MO of your conccerns, we have ways to detect malingerers....
Btw, if this serviceman is having lot of MCs from different clinic then most likely he is malingering. -
Tell him ATTC means stay in camp. Coz safer for him- He has shown a tendency to be ill; hence he needs to be in an enviroment where there is medical coverage 24/7. The camp is such an environement. Plus, Army food is very unlikely to upset his stomach.Originally posted by l0st-s0ul:Anyone has tips on handling subordinates with unbelievable ATT C rates? In 1 week can fall sick(food poisioning and headache) twice each having 2 days ATT C. And this happens very often. Is it true that once u have ATT C u have to be at home 24hrs? Otherwise considered malingering?
So even if he report sick outside, tell him he has to come back to camp so that his status can be monitored and he can receive the best possible care. Of course, if he can get himself admitted into hospital (and wants to pay) then fine. Fair play to him.
Edit: To up the BS factor (and piss him off more) remind him that as a member of the SAF, and as a person in whom the SAF has invested alot of time and money, the SAF has a vested interest in ensuring a speedy recovery. -
Personally, I'm inclined to agree with you on this issue. But I draw the line at malingerers who are out to get their mates into more work due to their absences.Originally posted by jianfish9:Once got a superior dun allow one guy in my bunk to report sick at private clinic. Only Medical centre, hospitals and polyclinics.
But the guy was sick and his parents are somebody. Parents very angry and the MP call and write letter and the last I heard the Regular still stuck on same rank.
Good for the Regular. Want act garang. Cannot stand such people. Worse than malingering itself.
I'm all for RSO, and I never forced the guys to RSI.