SAF MArtial Arts Bullshit
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I was surfing the net when I came across this steaming pile of crap. Worse, the title says "BCCT". I had thought that SAF unarmed combat training has moved on since its UC days, but apparently not.
Katas, One step sparrings, selfdefence against knives, board breakings, and general all round BULLSHIDO.
These guys have not been taught to fight. What they have been taught is ballroom dancing in camouflage fatigues.
Without further ado, I present SAF BULLSHIDO - THE NEXT EVOLUTION
http://youtube.com/watch?v=g74_0buoeG0&search=SAF
I fear the SAF is beyond help now. Anyone care to tell me that the SAF takes training seriously?
Edit: Looks like 4 SIR.
Here is the depth of the problem:So besides the punishment, we learned many things. Learned how to punch, block, kick, combinations of both or all 3. Learned where all the vital points we have to hit. Every Punch, Kick, or Block, we had to yell. Then at the last 3 sessions we had to use our rifles. We learned Side Butt Swing, Low Butt Stroke, High Butt Stroke, Forward Butt Smash. Sounds painful when getting hit by them. Also learn how to hit people while they are on the ground. Basically BCCT taught us how to kill the enemy with our hands and rifles.
http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=zhong_cheung
People are passing the course thinking they are now proficient in unarmed combat. That is, however, clearly far from the truth. As i said in an earlier post, the first time I had to spar with boxing gloves on in my Uni MA class, I was hit squarely in the eye. Why? Because I did not recognise the virtue of keeping your hands up. Because I was not taught the proper way to block a punch.
The SAF really really needs to be given a kick up its arse. This sort of shoddy training reflects very badly on the SAF as a whole. If the SAF cannot be bothered to train its soldiers properly in this instance, I think it is reasonable to conclude that the SAF does not train its soldiers properly period. -
It is 4 Sir. Well, they have a new but corked up CO now.
Hopefully this mono won't give Div Hq a headache like the previous one.
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so boring... *yawn* only the music is nice.
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Yes, keeping the hands up is VERY VERY important. I learnt that the hard way too. ANd they definitely did not teach me that in the BULLSHIDO CLOSE COMBAT TRAINING.
Agreed, the basic jabs, reverse, forward kicks, and sidekicks taught in BCCT is not enough to defend one self. Its more like kick boxing aerobics to me when I attended it. Fortunately, my batch still covered bayonet fighting. Being on the service side, and still issued with the M-16S1, it was the most important yet most siong part of the syllabus (rubber tyres are invincible against bayonets). Again, it may not be totally enough for real combat, but it beats trying to , punch, kick, trip another person to death.
If there is one thing I felt they didn teach enough in BCCT, it was staying mobile. Getting in and out of a person's hit distance. All i remember was, standing, punching, kicking, taking one step, rinse n repeat. -
Too bad for you guys. The BCCT package in Tekong now includes blocking techniques and in-depth explanations on how the techniques taught are not the be-all end-all of fighting. BCCT is being promoted as the foundation of a self-defence concept, and emphasis is being placed on the development of instincts and reflexes.
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well, i think i'll start worrying when the enemy's fist is faster than a 5.56 or 9mm round, at the same time noting that there's no real enemy, other than losers who were caught by ISD the other time.Originally posted by quinton2810:Too bad for you guys. The BCCT package in Tekong now includes blocking techniques and in-depth explanations on how the techniques taught are not the be-all end-all of fighting. BCCT is being promoted as the foundation of a self-defence concept, and emphasis is being placed on the development of instincts and reflexes.
at the end, BCCT, ICCT and ACCT is just wayang, imho. as long as a soldier's vocational skills and section movement skills are good (actually, dun even need this for some vocations also
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I think SAF should teach Krav Maga to it's soliders!
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The starting of a the video is amusing enough, but after the 2-minute mark it just becomes painful to watch....
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Give them a break la. Those performance are for their POP parade. Obviously they are still fresh and under training still.
You guys talk as though they trained for many years already.
Anyway, its just a performance. Not a BCCT competition or what. Chillzz ya...
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You can teach soldiers Flying Dragonfist Monkeyhammer style, it won't have much use unless the SAF advances from "dead training" (hitting air and not actually trying it out with real human beings in genuine situations).Originally posted by acwire_2125:I think SAF should teach Krav Maga to it's soliders! -
Development of instincts and reflexes? By just standing there, blocking and punching air? Reflexes against imaginary opponents maybe.Originally posted by quinton2810:Too bad for you guys. The BCCT package in Tekong now includes blocking techniques and in-depth explanations on how the techniques taught are not the be-all end-all of fighting. BCCT is being promoted as the foundation of a self-defence concept, and emphasis is being placed on the development of instincts and reflexes.
Of course, not like SAF will every introducec sparring, with or without safety equipment. Like what the original poster says, the recruits are just being taught to THINK that they know how to fight hand to hand. -
all i can say about UA training in SAF is tekan sessions for the instructors.
remember the " see the tree over at the end of the field? i want all of you to sprint there when i blow my whistle and sprint back here. the last person will drop 20 for me." *peeep*
the only good thing i can think of in SAF is that they give the drivers free class 3 after they ORD and the rest all bullcrap. -
Martial Arts Bullshido has always been taught in the SAF. Tell me what is applicable in real life?
First, you want to know where you can hit with minimal force for maximum effect.
Second, you want to know how to kill fast.
Third, you want to know how to kill without giving away your position.
Fourth, you want to know how to use range or improvised weapons in close combat.
Fifth, you want to know how to fight in a treacherous terrain. -
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How about this.......
This is what SAF need..........
A US sailor runs a motorcycle over the Indonesian Navy soldier ( Kopaska ) lying on nails during during joint exercise at laki island off Jakarta, Indonesia. -
What you guys don't do one-on-one sparring anymore?? They used to do it.
But I guess with the mordern SAF with all its concerns about training injuries, they have taken it out? Wah lao, then your local tae kwon do class down at your local CC probably has more violence than the trainning UA session in the SAF.
I would make a point though, that it does take years and years of regular (twice a week at least) training n martial arts to become anywhere competent in UA, and the 2 years of NS is really not close to enough unless they do it as thrice a week sessions. But with field ops and other requirements... -
that is the reason why martial art are incalcated in the japanese educational syllabus so that there is no need to really train the soldiers up in combat and also their physical fitness too touroughly. 10 yr of training is always better than 2 yrs of training isn't it. Anyway one of the best way to train reflexes without getting seriously injured is to practice sticky hands.
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Anyone watch "The Hunted"? This movie shown the most realistic military martial art skills. Steven Seagal is good but not "military" enough.
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they should hire muay thai instructors.
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US Army's Modern Army Combatives Program (MACP) vid.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1462151077277855734&q=army+martial -
Aiyoh, talk is cheap. Can bitch and whine about the lack of professionalism, blah, blah blah. Would you even want to go through a professional martial arts lesson? Its not as if these guys wanna go thru it in the first place.
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given the option of using an m16 and unarmed combat...which one U choose?Originally posted by lwflee:These guys have not been taught to fight. What they have been taught is ballroom dancing in camouflage fatigues. -
Originally posted by lwflee:
Relax, BCCT is merely an intro to martial arts... Think of it as the first few baby steps to martial arts. BCCT stands for Basic Close Combat Training... The word BASIC is important. It covers more or less what you will learn in your first 5-6 lessons when you just pick up any martial art (BMTC teaches this "course" in around 7 lessons). It just covers basic kicks and punches. Obviously, it's not meant to make anyone a kungfu master and from personal experience absolutely no one passes out from BMTC expecting to fight with just these skills.
I was surfing the net when I came across this steaming pile of crap. Worse, the title says "BCCT". I had thought that SAF unarmed combat training has moved on since its UC days, but apparently not.
Katas, One step sparrings, selfdefence against knives, board breakings, and general all round BULLSHIDO.
These guys have not been taught to fight. What they have been taught is ballroom dancing in camouflage fatigues.
Without further ado, I present [b]SAF BULLSHIDO - THE NEXT EVOLUTION
http://youtube.com/watch?v=g74_0buoeG0&search=SAF
I fear the SAF is beyond help now. Anyone care to tell me that the SAF takes training seriously?
Edit: Looks like 4 SIR.
Here is the depth of the problem:
http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=zhong_cheung
People are passing the course thinking they are now proficient in unarmed combat. That is, however, clearly far from the truth. As i said in an earlier post, the first time I had to spar with boxing gloves on in my Uni MA class, I was hit squarely in the eye. Why? Because I did not recognise the virtue of keeping your hands up. Because I was not taught the proper way to block a punch.
The SAF really really needs to be given a kick up its arse. This sort of shoddy training reflects very badly on the SAF as a whole. If the SAF cannot be bothered to train its soldiers properly in this instance, I think it is reasonable to conclude that the SAF does not train its soldiers properly period. [/b]
More advanced techniques will be taught in Intermediate CCT & Advanced CCT and even then SAF still encourages personnel to take up Taekwando (hence the Taekwando badge) -
Some of our military are trained in Krav Maga.
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Intermediate CCT and Advanced CCT just makes for Intermediate and Advanced Punching Bags. They don't teach the soldiers how to silent kill which is killing without alerting the enemy, a basic soldiering skill.Originally posted by Quirinus:Relax, BCCT is merely an intro to martial arts... Think of it as the first few baby steps to martial arts. BCCT stands for Basic Close Combat Training... The word BASIC is important. It covers more or less what you will learn in your first 5-6 lessons when you just pick up any martial art (BMTC teaches this "course" in around 7 lessons). It just covers basic kicks and punches. Obviously, it's not meant to make anyone a kungfu master and from personal experience absolutely no one passes out from BMTC expecting to fight with just these skills.
More advanced techniques will be taught in Intermediate CCT & Advanced CCT and even then SAF still encourages personnel to take up Taekwando (hence the Taekwando badge)
Taekwando is just a showy defensive skill. Sure, it'll do well in Singular Close Combat but won't cut it in a silent raid.
I thought BMT is to train up a civilian into a basic infantryman but a basic infantryman must be able to kill silently.