BMT is a tekang session
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gdnite gackt
see u ard man ..pm me yr msn ok 
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they pay us 100.. and take back 99Originally posted by Chelzea:na nt offended by u
jus pissed wif e system,army force can afford a full time army n yet dey still insist on forcing ppl to become soldiers 
n seriously we r paid peanuts ,jus compare wad e us army reservists get n wad full time NS man get 
IT shows dat dey dont value us 
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haha.. gackt in BMT? or graduate liao?
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Nabeiz.. wan my msn for wat?Originally posted by Chelzea:gdnite gackt see u ard man ..pm me yr msn ok -
Guess lor..Originally posted by coffeeortea:haha.. gackt in BMT? or graduate liao? -
im sure you have graduatedOriginally posted by Gackt247:Guess lor..
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u find field camp wasting time,u might as well say army is a waste of time lah,a hinder to guys who want to continue studying in Uni like me and the general guys studying in U now we are consider as old student becos of NS
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fire star, just take it as if u r a man, little girl.
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Heh. Cause it army that why we dun expect people to even check us for such a simple things. How come in in boy scouts, there treat us more adult than army?Originally posted by mhcampboy:poor boy. just booked out ar?
They are doing this because of HYGIENE!! FIELD HYGIENE!!
They need to check because, well boy, this is the army. Not boy scouts!
Everything you do will have thier reasons. Thousands have tried to test the system. ALL FAILED! -
So wad you expect, saunas and spa?
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please la.. what did u do in the BOY scouts? don't compare it with NS.
ask the men to powder themselves, but how many would Really powder themselves? some would rather sleep and some would apply too little, then when they get back to camp, all the skin prob starts. then blame who?
checking if the soldier powdered themselves is part of the core value "Care for soldiers".
let the recruits DIY, and if anything happens, instructors kena, too picky/tough with them, the recruits complain to OO/parents/minister. -
I never said nor meant that. The word is called "CHILDish" for a reason. I'm not saying all under 21s are childish. But 15 is a safe bet you'll probably be still sniggering and laughing when you and your schoolmates gather round to watch porno, much less in the cinemas...Maturity grows when you go through tough time as you grow older. And granted, there are some 15 year olds out there who have the short end of the stick...but anyone with an internet connection can't really have it that bad aye?Originally posted by Chelzea:U nvr see does nt equate to it does nt occur hmm,Someone may nt get more chidish but may remain childish den>?
Chelzea just passed out from bmt? Must be quite an achievement. Good luck in your future unit. -
One of the main reason why we are currently in better situation than the countries that you mentioned was indeed as you suggested, through diplomatic means and trade. (Except for Sweden, which I couldn't understand why its in "perilous situation") Over the years since our independence, we had develop a much closer relationship with our most potential aggressor, Malaysia and Indonesia than say Israel could ever hope for with perhaps Iran. However, one of the main factor that made this possible was our NS policy which directly contributed to our military defence. Our independence coinncide with the period of de-colonisation where a good number of former colonies were thrown into turmoil immediately after their colonial master withdrew. It was also a period where Indonesia lay claims to a large number of these decolonised terriority such as Aceh and East Timour. There was geniue cause then to believe that we could be a target. And indeed, during the 60s till 70s there were a few operations launched against us.Originally posted by Chelzea:Korea,Israel n sweden are in a perilous situation compative to us They are likely to have a war whereas for singapore ,im doubtful of any war starting soon unless our leaders start asking 4 trouble
look at it dis way ,IF malaysia or indo lose e war ,they would prob lose huge amts of territory which contain vast natural resources.They prob lose more in case of losing a war against us..i doubtful they wld risk it.
Lebanese -israeli war started cos israel soldiers were kidnapped.BUt e root of e problem is that israel occupied palestine illegally and resulted in the Arab-israeli tension.
Oh yea Does violence solve any problems ,its seems dat despite israel having a superior army ,they are still prone to sucide attacks n wadnot?
Violence is nt a solution to any problem,diplomacy is e way to go.
Lets look at it this way ,despite israel winning almost every single war in e middle east ,have they secured peace?? im doubtful aganist that.It seems dat violence causes massive losses to civilians n so wad if we emerge victorious in a war against MY n INdo.i believe that MY n INdo wld be back with a vengeance prob wif more JI radicals to attack us.
We shld instead use subtle ways to work hand in hand wif our neighbouring countries.Can u imagine if some of e funds used for defence was used 4 investment instead in indo n MY?dat wld prob improve our BOPs via investment returns n wld also cause indo n MY to avoid war at all cost due us linked closely economically where both parties wld have too much to lose if there is a war.Its a win win situation for all parties involved.
I rather see things thrashed out on e table rather den on e battlefield via diplomacy.
Im nt suprised if like minded ppl like u exist in e singapore cabinet who decided to invest billions on defence.wad e fark is pt of this?it only leads to military built up in e region .Singapore is spending much more then MY n indo on defence. The billions spent can be better utilised on eliminating income disparity and investing in education in e region.
N even wif e billions spend on defence,do u think that we have a superb defence? im doubtful that spore can withstand a nuclear bomb
Increasing our military defence through NS then was also to prepare against any possible communists attacks which was a common cause of concern during the cold war period. MCPs and Viet Congs were all not too far away both in terms of geography and time.
More importantly, a relatively strong military defence will be a good deterence for any potential aggressor. As a Singaporean scholar had pointed out, our military's role then was like a scorpion sting, although we caannot neccesary defeat our enemy, we certaintly can make them pay such prices that they would rather not invade.
One might then ask what is the purpose of NS now then? Earlier on, I had used the example of Israel's relationship with Iran (in bold). Ironically, 30 years ago, the two states were the best of friends in the middle east. Iran was the first and few middle east state to recognise Israel and together with Iraq, were the closest allies of the US in the region. The sudden Iran revolution changed everything overnight and suddenly Iran is talking about wiping Israel off the map. We have witnessed the potential of Indonesia being thrown into political disorder and it is really uncertain if our friendship with our neighbours would remain unaffected if there is a change of power. The previous Indonesia President, Gus Dur had talked about an alliance with Malaysia to "cut of our water supply" (even though Indonesia didn't supply us water). But it just proves that crasy SOB can land their hands on power sometimes and being crazy SOB, they will do crazy stuff. Having a strong military defence is not only a "gentle reminder" for these potential crazy people to wake up for a while, but also if necessary, to really fight and win any conflict. Which with our current capability, is highly possible, again with a fair degree of contribution from NSmen.
Investing in defence also pay off in the long run. A strong military defence helps create a stable area for investment. Nobody would dare invest in Singapore if we can be taken out easily.
Israel may not have secured peace by winning almost every war, but they are certaintly still on the world map. Something that would definitely not be possible without the IDF. And although the IDF was unable to remove threats from neighbouring states completely, it was able to limit them. The recent Hizbollah attacks (one that is said to be proxy of Iran) 's damage was kept to the minimum because the IDF are constantly disrupting the Hizbollah rocket launchers. Just because AIDs is an incurable disease doesn't mean that the patient give up his/her treatment completely, at least the treatments can keep the illnes under control.
While violence indeed cannot end violence all the time, it certainly is capable of creating a space and leverage for diplomacy. Your enemy would not be bothered to talk to you if they can crush you with a finger.
I agree with your points of working hand in hand with our neighbours, but military defence may not always hinder it. In fact a good number of diplomacy is done primarily through military exchange and assistance. Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia had a number of joint exercise which improves our relationship and the three navies are trying to work together to stop pirarcy.
Singapore's defence is one of the best in the region and various military personnel had confirmed Singapore's standard. Although we cannot survive a nuclear bomb attack, but it doesn't mean we should give up our defence completely. Most human are going to die of some disease at some point in time, this doesn't mean we might as well just give up our immunity system. A nuclear attack is disasterous, but in reality, who is going to use it on us? Non-state actors such as terrorists might consider it, but thats precisely what our military intelligence are for. Much of the billions that we invest are spent on intelligence gathering and Singapore is also reputed within the region for its intelligence gathering ability. -
1 hour naked?Originally posted by Fire Star:In Tekong 7 days outfield, what's the point of spending 1 hr naked to powder bath, then got body inspection to see all parts of body are totally white, and the face have to be white also.
In the end all the mosquitoes and sandflies bite the skin till it is swollen all over. This is purely nonsensical tekang session.
Why not fall in and change as fast as possible, and powder bath ourselves?
I don't know but some people at Tekong have proved themselves to be...mentally ill.
Your commanders all have some kind of fetish? -
So u expected people to pamper u and take care of you till the day when u die? Come on who also know that some of the people would rather go sleep or apply too little. But who fault is it? it their own fault. I know that if anything happen to them, surely some parents would make a big fuss out of it. They just do that to cover their asses. But do u really think this is a way, a army should be? Pamper you and make sure that "you yourself take care of yourself". Guess the most problem in the end would be that, the army is too scared of any complains...that causes example of this kind of things.Originally posted by saline:please la.. what did u do in the BOY scouts? don't compare it with NS.
ask the men to powder themselves, but how many would Really powder themselves? some would rather sleep and some would apply too little, then when they get back to camp, all the skin prob starts. then blame who?
checking if the soldier powdered themselves is part of the core value "Care for soldiers".
let the recruits DIY, and if anything happens, instructors kena, too picky/tough with them, the recruits complain to OO/parents/minister. -
come on man. what has this got to do with pamper? this is care for ur men. to know that they are well, that they are fed. u need to know when to be caring and when to be tough.
when it comes to training, i am harsh with them, but i still make sure they had their meals, enough water, etc.
this was how i treated my men when i was still serving. tell me how u treated ur men? or how (if u have not served) would u treat them?
we are training soliders, not animals. -
like tat only ...during my times i had to leopard crawl in PE kit from my company sq up four storeys thru the toilet den crawl back to bunk..wait till u go to unit u will miss powder bath..cos u nv had the chance...Originally posted by Fire Star:In Tekong 7 days outfield, what's the point of spending 1 hr naked to powder bath, then got body inspection to see all parts of body are totally white, and the face have to be white also.
In the end all the mosquitoes and sandflies bite the skin till it is swollen all over. This is purely nonsensical tekang session.
Why not fall in and change as fast as possible, and powder bath ourselves?
I don't know but some people at Tekong have proved themselves to be...mentally ill.
now army so relax already still got trolley not ali baba bag..still cannot take it..haiz.. -
Yes. I understand there is times to be tough and times to be caring. But come on. How old is your men by the way? Asking them if they have their meal or enough water is fine, it showing cocern but when u ask them to do it infront of you, just to supervisor them and make sure they do it. Do u really treat them like adult and do u even trust them? Do u give them the feeling that you trusted them to do the things on their own, or that you need to be there to make sure they do the things that are told to them.Originally posted by saline:come on man. what has this got to do with pamper? this is care for ur men. to know that they are well, that they are fed. u need to know when to be caring and when to be tough.
when it comes to training, i am harsh with them, but i still make sure they had their meals, enough water, etc.
this was how i treated my men when i was still serving. tell me how u treated ur men? or how (if u have not served) would u treat them?
we are training soliders, not animals.
Yes there are training soliders but there are also young adult and the future pillar of our country. Not some young kids that need supervisor in whatever they do? -
Well i think training tough or not is one thing u endure in the end still ok one.Originally posted by nww16:like tat only ...during my times i had to leopard crawl in PE kit from my company sq up four storeys thru the toilet den crawl back to bunk..wait till u go to unit u will miss powder bath..cos u nv had the chance...
now army so relax already still got trolley not ali baba bag..still cannot take it..haiz..
The most impt thing is that now nsfs very gd life liao leh only spend 2 yrs in saf
My time was 2.5 yrs
Meaning 6 months time gone,could have use the 6 months to work and earn money or studying. -
Field camp roxs... I enjoyed my field camp very much,doing all those things... But when the times come to war,will u pick up ur 'wife' and start defending???
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1hr!!! you are lucky, man.. I had only 15min to powder bath and change in the dark at night. Can't fking see. The whole platoon took such a long time and got pumped as a result.Originally posted by Fire Star:In Tekong 7 days outfield, what's the point of spending 1 hr naked to powder bath, then got body inspection to see all parts of body are totally white, and the face have to be white also.
In the end all the mosquitoes and sandflies bite the skin till it is swollen all over. This is purely nonsensical tekang session.
Why not fall in and change as fast as possible, and powder bath ourselves?
I don't know but some people at Tekong have proved themselves to be...mentally ill. -
i hate field camp!!! so many days without proper shower... yucky field rations... mud everywhere...creepy crawlies all over the place.... stinkypoo people around u... can die man...Originally posted by gaoxingdcf:Field camp roxs... I enjoyed my field camp very much,doing all those things... But when the times come to war,will u pick up ur 'wife' and start defending???
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No such problems for me... Rations juz eat,mud juz step,stinky not at all wat... My buddy brother wan leh.. Die die sure go wan... If go to war,i will choose it to go with my BMT platoon cuz they are the one who noes u and will sure help u wan...Originally posted by Stooky:i hate field camp!!! so many days without proper shower... yucky field rations... mud everywhere...creepy crawlies all over the place.... stinkypoo people around u... can die man... -
Stooky too wimpy.. gaoxingdcf too garang..
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inspect, ppl have so many lj thing to say. dun inspect, man fall sick, specialists kenna.Originally posted by zheshi:Yes. I understand there is times to be tough and times to be caring. But come on. How old is your men by the way? Asking them if they have their meal or enough water is fine, it showing cocern but when u ask them to do it infront of you, just to supervisor them and make sure they do it. Do u really treat them like adult and do u even trust them? Do u give them the feeling that you trusted them to do the things on their own, or that you need to be there to make sure they do the things that are told to them.
Yes there are training soliders but there are also young adult and the future pillar of our country. Not some young kids that need supervisor in whatever they do?
inspect better.
btw, zheshi, u been into NS before? when u r a commander, u will know wtf im talking abt. some men are animals and would only do a task when supervised. therefore, such men are likely not to powder themselves properly, in this case.Originally posted by gaoxingdcf:
i was with u until the BMT platoon thing. those men arent even trained soldiers. wtf. during war, when they are in BMT, they can make mistakes, can afford to respond like a sluggard. at the frontline, they'd be target practice for the enemy. like it or not, recruits will let u down in war time, whether they want to or not is immaterial.
No such problems for me... Rations juz eat,mud juz step,stinky not at all wat... My buddy brother wan leh.. Die die sure go wan... If go to war,i will choose it to go with my BMT platoon cuz they are the one who noes u and will sure help u wan...