'random verfication exercise'
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how many of you overseas had a letter sent to your company by mindef?
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That's a first.
You happen to have a copy of this letter?
You mean sent to the employer overseas?
Hmm... i wonder what Letterhead Mindef uses as this might jeopardise some people who are working overseas. -
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But mindef doesn't even know where I work.
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This is strange.
Why should I have to prove I'm working abroad or studying abroad.
I can very well be staying abroad as a PR and still possess an exit permit because I have left the country.
This is just wrong. -
I can reply the above letter back with my company letterhead, come up with a designation and sign it off as someone else, and they won't give a flying fcuk.
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i feel like sending the reply in japanese just to spite them.
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Just do so.Originally posted by nismoS132:i feel like sending the reply in japanese just to spite them.
I do not agree with this policy at all. I am quite tempted to shoot them a letter demanding the rationale behind this policy, because it contains some spirit of "entrapment" and it does not do anything to enhance MINDEF-NSMen ties, because it implies the possibility of a discriminatory attitude towards NSMen who live abroad as PRs of another country. -
look like u need to show proof that u r work abroad. from the look of it they are doing something
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Then wait they send you another to tell you to send them another in comprehendible english.Originally posted by nismoS132:i feel like sending the reply in japanese just to spite them. -
People will ask why the heck can't they stay abroad as a PR and not work. It is their right to do so, no one is supposed to force someone to work to justify their exit permit.Originally posted by martin_lim85:look like u need to show proof that u r work abroad. from the look of it they are doing something
Smells of some pathetic attempt at getting manpower back aye? The negative potential of this is that it's going to serve to push people away even more. The proverbial last straw to force some of our overseas citizens to sever ties for good in the long run.
This is stupid, not to mention insulting and generally discriminatory in nature.
Someone's head MUST roll for this kind of policy that only serves to be divisive. -
*waiting for LL to join the IMF protestors*Originally posted by LazerLordz:People will ask why the heck can't they stay abroad as a PR and not work. It is their right to do so, no one is supposed to force someone to work to justify their exit permit.
Smells of some pathetic attempt at getting manpower back aye? The negative potential of this is that it's going to serve to push people away even more. The proverbial last straw to force some of our overseas citizens to sever ties for good in the long run.
This is stupid, not to mention insulting and generally discriminatory in nature.
Someone's head MUST roll for this kind of policy that only serves to be divisive. -
"Or else what?"
Singaporean NSMen can't be PR of other countries and live there anymore? I need to be employed in that country in order to get my exit permit? Might as well only grant exit perment when they bloody feel its OKAY for a person to travel abroad.
Come on, even this country has basic rights for people to travel right? -
Nismo... this letter sent to Employer or you residential address?
Should do us a favour and scold SAF back..
If they send you a letter to your employer with SAF letterhead, it is so going to sabo or kill a NSman overseas.
Why? Some countries do not allow workers who have served in a foreign military, so some ppl gotta omit this fact when they work overseas. And one fine day the boss receive a letter from Singapore MINDEF, it will jeopardise his career.
This will jeopardise many ppl who stays in Western bloc nations where now they want you to volunteer military information.
Some countries do not allow their citizens to serve an overseas military. (Applicable to Singapore PR).
Sigh. i wonder where SAF grow their brains. -
i think its more like an "oops" reaction from them. like, "hey, we've pushed too many guys overseas, lets think of a plan to get them back."
franklly, i wldn't mind living in sg if not for all this saf crap. i've ald given 2 yrs, what more do u want? its not as if when i give more, you're gonna make effient use of my contribution/ sacrifice. oh well, its just too bad. but then again, every country has it's own problems doesn't it? -
It is none of their business if their citizens wish to move abroad.Originally posted by Othello_Red:i think its more like an "oops" reaction from them. like, "hey, we've pushed too many guys overseas, lets think of a plan to get them back."
franklly, i wldn't mind living in sg if not for all this saf crap. i've ald given 2 yrs, what more do u want? its not as if when i give more, you're gonna make effient use of my contribution/ sacrifice. oh well, its just too bad. but then again, every country has it's own problems doesn't it?
To even think of using such a scheme to get them back, is typically Singaporean Govt and childish. -
The military thing is quite true.Originally posted by Ponders:Nismo... this letter sent to Employer or you residential address?
Should do us a favour and scold SAF back..
If they send you a letter to your employer with SAF letterhead, it is so going to sabo or kill a NSman overseas.
Why? Some countries do not allow workers who have served in a foreign military, so some ppl gotta omit this fact when they work overseas. And one fine day the boss receive a letter from Singapore MINDEF, it will jeopardise his career.
This will jeopardise many ppl who stays in Western bloc nations where now they want you to volunteer military information.
Some countries do not allow their citizens to serve an overseas military. (Applicable to Singapore PR).
Sigh. i wonder where SAF grow their brains.
But then again, look at the scholars running MINDEF. How many of their policies have actually been seen to be common-sensical ones? -
You should strike first by asking them to send in Japanese, instead of English.Originally posted by ditzy:Then wait they send you another to tell you to send them another in comprehendible english.
I also agree that if you create a letterhead and respond, no one will be wiser. They should get an embassy staff to drop by your office for verification.
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Come to think of it, MINDEF seems to have a change of tone here.
Usually the last paragraph would be.. "failing to furnish a letter by XX date will render yourself liable to Section XX Paragraph XX of the Enlistment Act which carries a penalty of $xx fine and/or XX years inprisonment".
Hmm. maybe we should reply using a Letterhead from the Ministry of Defence of that country...
so reply will be,
This is to certify that COL Heng was employed in the Japan Army from XX date as a Foreign Intelligence Agent on Singapore Army matters.
If you have any doubt, please call GEN Shinseki at XXX-XXX-XXXX.
Regards,
Junchiro
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get off it you guys ....Originally posted by LazerLordz:It is none of their business if their citizens wish to move abroad.
To even think of using such a scheme to get them back, is typically Singaporean Govt and childish.
they are just checking that chaps overseas are overseas as they said they would be ....
you're reading too much into it ... -
went to company. and they were asking "thought you finished already? still need to go back?"Originally posted by Ponders:Nismo... this letter sent to Employer or you residential address? -
have you tried to apply for EP before?Originally posted by Fatum:get off it you guys ....
they are just checking that chaps overseas are overseas as they said they would be ....
you're reading too much into it ...
do you know the maximum period they grant you is 5 years?
you seen the type of questions they ask and the kind of info they want?
did you read the letter? they want to know how long i'll be employed there. what if some unlucky guy, his company replied his contract is only 2 years, will his EP be shortened?
they don't have to check this way. that's what immigration records are for. your EP is automatically cancelled when you return. -
Bro, the sticky point is that they stated that ICA would be the final clearinghouse for EP matters.Originally posted by Fatum:get off it you guys ....
they are just checking that chaps overseas are overseas as they said they would be ....
you're reading too much into it ...
So why this and why now..
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Just curious, but do you have to declare why you are going overseas?
Maybe if you say you are going to work for so and so a company... but actually not..
If you actually state that you going overseas for fun and they gave you an exit permit then they have nothing to say lah..
It's a legal document when you declare and sign off on it. -
oh last time still hear u talking about going japan and now u are really in japan?? gong xi gong xi.. go chase for ur dream ok.. dun come back if u can lah... no hope for sg already lah...... KNN i missed japan i stayed in Iriya for a while b4....Originally posted by nismoS132:
p.s. nope i have not receive those letter... maybe they send to my sg company... but my no one from HR ever ask mi b4 leh...so should be never lah..