Reservist NSman called up for first ICT at age 36!
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He could self-declare 302....Originally posted by KoolKool:Turn yourself in to who ?? MINDEF ?? Which department ?? Unit ??
I think it is more effective writing to Straits Times forum.
You don't have to find out your unit, which department to call and who to speak to. Everything will be done for you.
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Another SAF screw up.. what's new.. Besides, cockups are always covered up there..
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Until now still haven't seen the actual reply by our redoubtable COL Benedict...
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he will write personally meh?Originally posted by Ponders:Actually ah.. my intention of starting this thread is to predict what that COL Benedict Tan will reply to ST Forums. haha.
not one of his officer ?? -
what's the difference ?
LTC XXX YYY ZZZ
for COL Benedict Tan
He might as well do it. -
lame
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the words are not of the COL....Originally posted by KoolKool:what's the difference ?
LTC XXX YYY ZZZ
for COL Benedict Tan
He might as well do it.
LTC write for him?? sure or not?
Should be some LTA or CPT lah
the lower rank will write then let COL vet thru...
COL wil then simply put his name and treat the letter written by his officer as his own -
You all believe this?Originally posted by pqr:the words are not of the COL....
LTC write for him?? sure or not?
Should be some LTA or CPT lah
the lower rank will write then let COL vet thru...
COL wil then simply put his name and treat the letter written by his officer as his own
I think the MINDEF Pubilc Affairs Dept got one thick file of letters..
If they write this, use Letter 578-A to reply
if they write on that, use letetr 639-B to reply.
If they write this, use Letter 299-A to reply.
If they write on this and that, ignore them... national secuirty reasons. -
A COL wannabe replied liao....
Sep 8, 2006
ICTs may be inconvenient but defence is everyone's duty
I REFER to Mr Tan Thiam Huat's letter, 'NSman called up for first ICT at age 36' (ST, Sept 6).
While I agree with him that it is indeed a fiasco to be starting one's in-camp training (ICT) at such an age, I have my reservations about the other points raised.
To put it simply, everyone has a role to play in our country's defence, be it a manager high up the organisational hierarchy or a humble cleaner.
While ICTs may result in inconveniences,we have to recognise that defence is the basic foundation of a stable country, one where businesses flourish and our loved ones sleep in peace.
Lastly, while Mr Tan was surprised to receive his first ICT notification recently, I am even more surprised that he realised only now that he had military obligations to fulfil.
Ng Chun Shiong -
who is this SOB?Originally posted by Ponders:A COL wannabe replied liao.... -
Haha Expected reply lah,but frankly speaking,it true that he himself knew that he have his obligation for ICT,but mindef should be the one whom do the paperwork mah,i mean the admin are taking taxpayer 's money to do the work right????
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One of those "template" replies. Don't even know if these are real people.
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someone who wanna score points.Originally posted by blowfish:who is this SOB?
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see if can find his name in the phone book anot lor... arhboh ask him out to lim kopi with u n ask to see his IC.Originally posted by LazerLordz:One of those "template" replies. Don't even know if these are real people.
seriously, i don't see why as an NSman, and taxpayer, we have to put up with this kinda nonsense from Mindef who obviously can't get their administrative sh!t together. End up, wait until ppl 36 years old den kena call up for ICT.
Den everytime when miss IPPT want u to pay fine or call up for ICT, expect prompt actions, every little thing also want to ngeow. Then when they c0ckup chia lat chia lat, either always got some stupid excuse or will cover up like nobody's business. -
You dun have overseas exercise meh? Thought you must have done at least one overseas exercise before you finish..Originally posted by BillyBong:Hey...wat's the deal? I've still got 4 in-camps to go before ATEC II, and then another 3 ICTs before i can shriek: ORD lor!
Seriously, this is a wake up call for those who 'take cover' or hope your SAF particulars got burned down along with their S1 record room...
Clear your ICT asap, do the cycle and get out. That's the best solution.
I don't fancy ICT either, but it's part of training and it helps keep fit at the same time. Can't be all that bad...
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Seriously i am always thinking about this question:
If NSmen and NSFs are going to do the fighting? What the regulars going to do? If we pay tax and still have to suffer with this type of crap must as well we become some foreign talent. Foreign talents come here with no liability while we work like a dog during NS life. In the end? do we get better pay? or better respect outside? No!!! we just treated like a fool. So we work hard pay tax and serve NS to allow the government to take in more foreign talent so that we can protect them. Seriously, What is WRONG with the government. The concept doesn't make sense at all. They just copy from whoever country who is using it and just copy whole sale without using their puny little brain. I think must be the SFI food causing them not to think. Follow Management of the SAF forces. Please work at least to your pay scope. Don't throw all the bloody work to the NSFs, We get 350 to 770, I think we deserve some appreciation instead of treating us like a dog. I know Foreign talent can replace us, then make them serve NS then You no need Singaporean who grow up here. You can always employ mecernaries next time. Everything also Foreign one. that day will come....... -
i dun think he need to clear all the 10 ICTs in 4 years.Originally posted by CoolMyth:Still, if you had 4 years to clear 10 ICTs, anyone will be pissed.
I can't blame him yet I dun see how his complaint will end up positive for him.
As long as you reach the age of 40, u r discharge from reservist alrd, no matter whether you complete how many cycles.
just like in my ICT unit, we are in the 5th year and some guys are alrd 37-38 years old. And there are some who are 23-24 and who have just join our unit at the 5th year.. -
i have a camp mate who faced the same problem.
he was called up twice in 12 months for overseas training, 20 odd days each. (different training year) -
Its Normal. Personal record is lost and so he does not get called up, until recently somehow it pops up and the call him to do his reservist. But tat was then, now yr records are already in the computer system and yr reservist unit allocated to u even before u ORD.[/b]
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COL Benedict Lim have replied..... so predictable..
Sep 13, 2006
In-camp training based on SAF's requirements
I REFER to the letters, 'NSman called up for first ICT at age 36' (ST, Sept 6) by Mr Tan Thiam Huat and 'ICTs may be inconvenient but defence is everyone's duty' (ST, Sept by Mr Ng Chun Shiong.
NSmen are obliged to fulfil their Operationally Ready National Service (ORNS) responsibilities until they have completed their National Service training cycle or reached the statutory age limit, whichever is earlier.
NSmen are scheduled for ORNS training based on the Singapore Armed Forces' operational requirements. Mr Tan is still within the statutory age limit for ORNS and hence can continue with his in-camp training (ICT).
As Mr Ng pointed out, ICTs may be inconvenient but we need to recognise that defence provides the stability for the country and its people to progress.
Mr Tan has been informed of the outcome of his deferment appeal.
There had been a delay in this because of an administrative oversight, and we apologise to him for the inconvenience.
We thank Mr Ng and Mr Tan for their commitment to defence and look forward to their continued support of National Service.
Col Benedict Lim
Director, Public Affairs
Ministry of Defence -
Well, it's equivalent to no answer at all.
Still, his "until they have completed their National Service training cycle or reached the statutory age limit, whichever is earlier." is encouraging.
That means if you reached 40 as a man, you more or less have to go into the reserve list liao, right? -
administrative oversightHaha very lame and predictable and i am wondering whether will the person whom is responsible for the oversight get something,will the mistake be repeated again? hhahahahahaaa (confirm cover up
) But anyway i think Mr Tan also trying to find fault in this situation cause he should have known that someday they will send him for reservist As an old NSman,he should know that in the SAF no matter how you complain,when the time has come for u to serve,whether as an NSF or NSMan,you still have to serve one loh,complain no use one who know maybe he will get something worse(Unit,etc,etc) since he make such a big issue in the straits times.Hence i think it is best to keep a low profile lah. -
It probably is a very common occurance, and just that someone felt out righteous enough to state that he should not be liable.
In any case, it is in the law very clearly. The statuory age limit is 40, until that just suck thumb.
This kind of fella just want to play punk and test the system. In the end also lan lan, just have to serve.
Not happy, then surrender your pink IC and find somewhere else to live. Or else STFU. -
An administrative oversight that was overlooked for... say he ORD'ed at 21 years old...
15 years!!!!!!!!!!! -
actually one shouldn't blame mindef. it's not their fault.
always remember, don't assume u are safe from reservist until u are 40 years old. don't think that u are safe even if they don't call u back for years. even if u are 39 years old, u are still liable to be called back.
it is stated very clearly already in the NSman booklet when u ORD. annoying it might be, but what can we do right?