SAF and Singapore's constitutions
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it is a rather sensitive question: Does SAF have the power to suspend, overthrow and amend the parliament and the constitution?
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wah, this is in conjunction of the Thai coup ? I think the constitution forbids the armed forces from intervening in politics, unlike Thailand and Indonesia where the military influences the government in a certain extent.
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but if the politicians are unjust in its judgements, lawless in its actions, and the whole nation is p!ssed off, after years of torture, im sure SOMEBODY would stage a coup.
we MUST place our loyalty to the people, who make up the nation, not to any political party or politician.
wat benefits the people, ultimately benefits the whole nation. -
SAF PLEDGE:
We, members of the Singapore Armed Forces, do solemnly and sincerely pledge that we will always bear true faith andallegiance to the President and the Republic of Singapore. We will always support and defend the Constitution. We will preserve and protect the honour and independence of our country with our lives. -
As above.
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I don't remember swearing Allegiance to any political party...Originally posted by Ristar:but if the politicians are unjust in its judgements, lawless in its actions, and the whole nation is p!ssed off, after years of torture, im sure SOMEBODY would stage a coup.
we MUST place our loyalty to the people, who make up the nation, not to any political party or politician.
wat benefits the people, ultimately benefits the whole nation. -
Originally posted by Shotgun:I don't remember swearing Allegiance to any political party...
it was just a remark. however sg is such that there is ONLY ONE party that is strong, others are too weak.
no need to split hairs over a hypothetical situation in sg, but if u would like to, read my prev post. again. i mean the freedom is rated like 30++%, results courtesy of the IMF, at least we are enjoying our lives... and lead a fairly well off life, nothing like those people in thailand huh? -
It also reminds me that why the government would not want a 4 star general and the length of term for a CDF is limited to 3-4 years is that the government is afraid that if a CDF helds his post for too long he might have the idea of staging a plot against the government. Correct me if I am wrong.
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From wikipedia:
Under the SAF Act [4], the president has the authority to raise and maintain the SAF. The president also has the power to form, disband or amalgamate units within the SAF.
The Armed Forces Council (AFC) administers matters relating to the SAF under the SAF Act. The AFC consists of:
ministers who are responsible for defence matters and any other minister who has been assigned to assist them;
the Permanent Secretaries of MINDEF;
the Chief of Defence Force (CDF);
the Chief of Army (COA);
the Chief of Air Force (CAF);
the Chief of Navy (CNV); and
not more than four other members as the president may appoint if the president, acting in his discretion, concurs with the advice of the prime minister.
So according to the constitution, SAF is being tightly controlled. -
Shoot the bugger who starts the coup infront of his men and see who'll be the next clown to step up and take over.
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In SG, the lines between party, government and nation have become blurred.Originally posted by Shotgun:I don't remember swearing Allegiance to any political party... -
Most military of the size of Singapore's only has 3 stars. Only super large militaries like U.S. for China has up to 4 stars. 5 stars only for war time.Originally posted by ah-soh:It also reminds me that why the government would not want a 4 star general and the length of term for a CDF is limited to 3-4 years is that the government is afraid that if a CDF helds his post for too long he might have the idea of staging a plot against the government. Correct me if I am wrong.
Length of CDF term is quite universal 3-4 years. -
the opposite side of the same coin will definitely have a different story. do u really want to be ignorant of it before u choose which side u r on?Originally posted by SpecOps87:Shoot the bugger who starts the coup infront of his men and see who'll be the next clown to step up and take over.
wat if u r on the wrong side and the leader u r blindly loyal to is exploiting the people, causing them to have to slog their whole lives so they can feed themselves while these leaders are enjoying their luxurious lives? and because u r so blindly loyal, u fail to realise that watever story they feed u is propaganda and not the actual story, causing u to have a warped view of reality.
and because of this warped view of reality, u would be hampering the advancement of your fellow countrymen (in a coup, of course).
the sin here, is not about choosing which ever side u do, its about choosing sides when u r ignorant of reality (the 2 stories and everything that led up to the coup), blindly loyal to whichever leader, or just disinterested in the whole situation and r just going along with the flow or the winning side.
blind loyalty kills. ever read about "Boxer" in "Animal Farm", written by George Orwell? -
Originally posted by ah-soh:
This act is quite universal in all Westminster system country, like in UK or Australia, except the "president" is "The Queen" or "Governor General".
From wikipedia:
Under the SAF Act [4], the president has the authority to raise and maintain the SAF. [b]The president also has the power to form, disband or amalgamate units within the SAF.
The Armed Forces Council (AFC) administers matters relating to the SAF under the SAF Act. The AFC consists of:
ministers who are responsible for defence matters and any other minister who has been assigned to assist them;
the Permanent Secretaries of MINDEF;
the Chief of Defence Force (CDF);
the Chief of Army (COA);
the Chief of Air Force (CAF);
the Chief of Navy (CNV); and
not more than four other members as the president may appoint if the president, acting in his discretion, concurs with the advice of the prime minister.
So according to the constitution, SAF is being tightly controlled.[/b]
A coup by default is normally illegal anyway, doesn't matter if the constitution forbides it. To get away with a coup, the only thing you need to do is to make sure the coup is a successful one.
Will a coup happen in Sg? No such tradition and quite unlikely yet. With our current arrangement, so long as political climate is stable, nobody will so free go and start a coup. -
>> rambling on <<Originally posted by wisefool83:Will a coup happen in Sg? No such tradition and quite unlikely yet. With our current arrangement, so long as political climate is stable, nobody will so free go and start a coup.
as long as we remain the current status quo (almost everyone enjoying a well off life), or get richer, its highly unlikely that somebody would stage a coup.
people who have money have too much to live for. education, girls, great job that gets one big bux... and the sex that comes with making big money...
if u r talking abt a rich leader usurping the current one... well, thats a different story, but in the end, coups arent won by leaders, are they? -
Ya. Coup normally happen when your politics got some major problem and the military super unhappy and cannot be just a few commanders unhappy. But also got cases where coups are "encouraged" by foreigners because they see your govt buay song. Think Iran.Originally posted by Ristar:>> rambling on <<
as long as we remain the current status quo (almost everyone enjoying a well off life), or get richer, its highly unlikely that somebody would stage a coup.
people who have money have too much to live for. education, girls, great job that gets one big bux... and the sex that comes with making big money...
if u r talking abt a rich leader usurping the current one... well, thats a different story, but in the end, coups arent won by leaders, are they? -
I'm pretty sure if someone plays musical chairs with very important positions, you won't like it either.
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Well.. they do not have the power but they have the firepower.Originally posted by kian hao:it is a rather sensitive question: Does SAF have the power to suspend, overthrow and amend the parliament and the constitution?
But then.. what a coup means is to overthrow a government thru unconstitutional means.. it doesn't need to have mlitary involved but most coups almost always need military to overthrow them.
Should there be a coup, the Parliament will just activate the Gurkha Contingent to overrun adversity and attain a decisive victory. haha. -
how big is our Gurkha contingent?
can they defeat the whole of SAF?
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Doubt the whole of the Grukhas can defeat the SAF,SPF combined.
Anyway, in my perspective it is best that the military be a tool and not a part of politics. The military must be kept away from anything dealing with politics as they pack the heavy equipment and thus the temptation to misuse it is always great if peaceful resolutions cannot be reached -
aiyah. I am just making a exaggeration...Originally posted by ctstalin:how big is our Gurkha contingent?
can they defeat the whole of SAF?
and trying to make gurkhas sound garang mah.