S'pore's soldiers aren't getting enough respects......
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In other countries, soldiers in uniforms are respected by those civilians and some even fear the soldiers and when in buses or trains they will give up their seats to the soldiers as a respect but in Singapore a uniformed soldiers is treated like sh|t by those civilians!
Civilians should show more respects to the soldiers and more privilages should be given to them too. -
I want to see you kow tow or bow to the next 20 year old private that walk pass you..
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come on, soldiers in other countries are soldiers by choice, its their job, its their career - they themselves have much respect for themselves. Its only when you have respect for yourselves that ppl around will respect you.
Look at our soldiers, they are conscriped, ask how many NSFs are NSFs by choice. Look at how they carry themselves, how they behave, do they command respect as the ads will want you to believe ?
Respect must be earned not given. -
are you in army before? once you go in you will understandOriginally posted by kian hao:In other countries, soldiers in uniforms are respected by those civilians and some even fear the soldiers and when in buses or trains they will give up their seats to the soldiers as a respect but in Singapore a uniformed soldiers is treated like sh|t by those civilians! Civilians should show more respects to the soldiers and more privilages should be given to them too. 
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Sure, sure, and Rudyard Kipling wrote Tommy for nothing.
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Respecting kengsters???
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Really, what countries are those? Iran? Somalia? US?Originally posted by kian hao:In other countries, soldiers in uniforms are respected by those civilians and some even fear the soldiers and when in buses or trains they will give up their seats to the soldiers as a respect but in Singapore a uniformed soldiers is treated like sh|t by those civilians! Civilians should show more respects to the soldiers and more privilages should be given to them too.
Not exactly role models are they? -
What I have heard, though not confirmed, Thai soldiers are expected to give up their seats on buses to civilians as they are expected to be serving the people and country. They are much more fitter and seen as less needing the seats on the buses. And if this is true, I respect such a force much more than those that expect civilians giving up the seats for military men.Originally posted by kian hao:In other countries, soldiers in uniforms are respected by those civilians and some even fear the soldiers and when in buses or trains they will give up their seats to the soldiers as a respect but in Singapore a uniformed soldiers is treated like sh|t by those civilians! Civilians should show more respects to the soldiers and more privilages should be given to them too. -
pity the thai soldiers outside of the camps also get discriminated against. oh well for them its their choiceOriginally posted by cairocks:What I have heard, though not confirmed, Thai soldiers are expected to give up their seats on buses to civilians as they are expected to be serving the people and country. They are much more fitter and seen as less needing the seats on the buses. And if this is true, I respect such a force much more than those that expect civilians giving up the seats for military men. -
I agree with Kian Hao. I feel the civilians take the SAF for granted.
The peace and prosperity we enjoy now was hard-earned and fought over by the generations before us.
I'm not saying that the SAF is the only reason why there is peace and prosperity in Singapore but you cannot deny that it is a key contributor.
Red Ameoba's reply that we should not respect the SAF because we are a consript force defies logic.
All the more we are a conscript force and our NSFs are sacrificing their energy and time to do their duty... all the more we should be giving them our full support and respect.
Just because you have no pride in yourself, doesn't mean you should assume other people don't want to be appreciated or respected for their sacrifice.
And just because we respect and appreciate the SAF doesn't mean soldiers have the right to bully civilians either.
I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I've served my time in NS with pride. And now, I've done my part, I'm grateful and appreciative for those who are stepping up to do their bit and serve their NS.
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Maybe people in the arm should respect the fact that every bullet they fire comes from our collective tax dollar also .. ever grain of rice they eat comes from our collective tax dollar... then respect the things, experience and exercise that the soldiers get at the expense of the country that they are given a chance to serve the nation that they can grow up, mature and understand the big picture of Singapore's vulnerability.
Respect is a mutual thing. What do you mean that civilians don't respect soldiers. Be specific! What do soldiers expect civilians to do? Kneel when they walk past? Offer money to them? Normal civilian don't even get respect from each other. So what does a Soldier expect??? Use some brain!!
Have any Singapore soldier/general actually go fight off enemies or do they get laughed at during exercise with Thai forces or Indonesian forces? Have any Singaporean soldier or general actually ever killed anyone and almost get killed and survived or once again, they go off to joint exercise to see war veterans snub singaporean soldiers cause they can only talk about "fake" war exercise that is unreal but never steped into a mine field fighting off enemies?
Respect? First Gain the respect of your fellow Soldiers in the region before talking about respect from the civilians. -
firstl, its hard to respect a young kid without him having done anything significant.
2ndly, half of the population has gone thru the same stuff and thus need feel no lesser than him.
3rd we know that the saf isn't exactly a model of efficiency and are led by pple who have not proved themselves in any way. -
First sort out your own house before you try sorting out your neighbours house lah. Okay?
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ish remove chiur plank on the eye before other's specks on the other ppl's eyeOriginally posted by baseturn:First sort out your own house before you try sorting out your neighbours house lah. Okay? -
in short...is just the technology which is advanced...but not the pplOriginally posted by hisoka:firstl, its hard to respect a young kid without him having done anything significant.
2ndly, half of the population has gone thru the same stuff and thus need feel no lesser than him.
3rd we know that the saf isn't exactly a model of efficiency and are led by pple who have not proved themselves in any way. -
don't really get the point. it has nothing much to do with technologyOriginally posted by duotiga83:in short...is just the technology which is advanced...but not the ppl -
we got all the gadgets but dont have the loyalty for the country....Originally posted by hisoka:don't really get the point. it has nothing much to do with technology -
loyalty isn't directly related to respect for soldiersOriginally posted by duotiga83:we got all the gadgets but dont have the loyalty for the country.... 
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Most of the western societies in general don't particularly respect their uniform personel anymore, not since Vietnam war. The only few country that I can think of that really show extra-ordinary respect to their armed-forces would be Japan. I think Singaporeans' attitude towards SAF is still alright, like some people here say, a large portion of the population was in the SAF anyway. We generally just take SAF as a phrase in life rather than a particular segment of society. Requesting special respect for SAF in Singapore is not much different than asking people to give special respect for students.
On a side note though, SAF's reputation in the international military community is relatively high. I've personally heard and overheard comments on the intelligence and sharpness on SAF commanders. A particular scenario was depict to me by the New Zealand ex-Chief of Army, "A command exercise was carried out and an NZ battalion and a SAF battalion was each given the task of reaching a particular location within 48 hours with an enemy battalion trying to stop them. The NZ battalion was able to reach just at the 48th hour and the SAF battalion drove the enemy all the way way within 32-36hours. -
I'm from the US, and I wouldn't necessarily say that soldiers in the US are given any more respect than soldiers in other countries. Unless you're in the Navy SEALs or Delta Force (which people wouldn't know anyway, since soldiers in those units are under harsh hush-hush security clearances), your average grunt doesn't get star VIP treatment.
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From what I hear and see, people respect US soldiers because they went to war for the "sake of their country and peace" (I dont know how Bush sees that )
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Frankly speaking being an NSFs last time,i am in the service side,so my comment does not mean combat area,it may be different or may not
.I have seen many many issues happened in the army lots of cover up,slacking by both nsf and regular,etc.One recent case of admin oversighthhaha lame reason leh, cause for Mr Tan the old NSman.
This type of lame reason given,how to let people respect the SAF? -
cos on the bus mayb 1/4 or 1/2 of the ppl aso soldier b4?Originally posted by kian hao:In other countries, soldiers in uniforms are respected by those civilians and some even fear the soldiers and when in buses or trains they will give up their seats to the soldiers as a respect but in Singapore a uniformed soldiers is treated like sh|t by those civilians! Civilians should show more respects to the soldiers and more privilages should be given to them too. -
This is an interesting factor, because our locals always treat the SAF as some disdainful organisation that screws up everything it touches, but overseas missions have proved otherwise.Originally posted by wisefool83:Most of the western societies in general don't particularly respect their uniform personel anymore, not since Vietnam war. The only few country that I can think of that really show extra-ordinary respect to their armed-forces would be Japan. I think Singaporeans' attitude towards SAF is still alright, like some people here say, a large portion of the population was in the SAF anyway. We generally just take SAF as a phrase in life rather than a particular segment of society. Requesting special respect for SAF in Singapore is not much different than asking people to give special respect for students.
On a side note though, SAF's reputation in the international military community is relatively high. I've personally heard and overheard comments on the intelligence and sharpness on SAF commanders. A particular scenario was depict to me by the New Zealand ex-Chief of Army, "A command exercise was carried out and an NZ battalion and a SAF battalion was each given the task of reaching a particular location within 48 hours with an enemy battalion trying to stop them. The NZ battalion was able to reach just at the 48th hour and the SAF battalion drove the enemy all the way way within 32-36hours.
Perhaps it's just that our boys can slack when they are not needed, but step up to the batting plate when they are called upon. Truly Singaporean...do fast fast, do swee swee, can exercise cut faster. -
really?!! u are talking about Iraqi soldiers during saddam's regime izzit.Originally posted by kian hao:In other countries, soldiers in uniforms are respected by those civilians and some even fear the soldiers and when in buses or trains they will give up their seats to the soldiers as a respect but in Singapore a uniformed soldiers is treated like sh|t by those civilians!