urgent advice needed
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Sorry for sounding so deperate but i'll be booking in soon, so please bear with me.
I sustained a pretty bad injury during my PTP and now i can't really move my right wrist. It swells up every now and then and I am on painkillers everyday. It was an old dislocation injury 5 yrs ago that caused my right wrist to be injury prone, and this is the 4th time i had injured it.
I was refered to a hand specialist at NUH by the MO and was told that it was most likely a torn ligament and inflammation around the wrist area. I was given a splint, 3 weeks of attend B and mid to long term hand therapy.
The qns is how can i complete my BMT with the injury, it hurts even before the injury when i tried to do chin ups and push ups or even lifting up the duffel bag. I sounded it to the MO at cmbp during my medical checkup but the MO didn't really bother and just asked a few qns.
I have difficulty adapting the use of my left hand to have my meals, area cleaning and other simple tasks. And everyday im at the sideline with other guys on status watching them train, which is pretty depressing.
Will I be OOC cos i really don't wanna keep retaking BMT my whole 2 years. Any advice?
Furthermore i'll be continuing my studies after NS and my course requires a fully working pair of hands. I'm afraid further injury or strain might eventually result in disablilty. I feel so down and out -
My advice to u is that your health came 1st no matter what happened.
I think most likely u will get OOC if u continue to report sick and get attend B cause u should have miss a lot of training while under excuse.
Don't be afraid of BMT recourse,maybe u may felt sian as to be going to tekong again,but when u recourse,your status will be a trainee not a recruit anymore,it will be better if u have your CPL rank by then.And also u might not be going back to recourse if u get downgraded,u might only go back to Pes C recourse and i think it shouldn't be a problem loh.
Anyway your health is most impt,like what u say on your studies,really no point getting injured because of NS,the medical fees now is still cover by the SAF,but just think what happened after u ORD,do u think the SAF will care abt u anymore?don't get injured and affect your whole life,it not worth it. -
to my understanding, one will only be OOC if one is successfully downgraded or on long term MCs.
do not worry about retaking BMT as i believe as long your attendance is good, u will still POP with a "Attended BMT" score.
but do get your injury made known to your superiors and if necessary, apply for downgrade so that hopefully u will be posted to non-physical demanding vocation.
take care. good luck.
(pls correct me if any of my info above is wrong. thanks) -
Thanks for the advice guys, i didn't expect NS to worsen my injury to this extend. I was told by my PS that i might get recoursed, but i doubt my wrist can take the training. So if i fail my recourse, or injured my wrist again, i would be stuck at bmt phrase forever?
Anyway what vocations do ppl like me get when I can't even hold anything for more than 5 mins with my right hand.
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BMT recourse depend on many issues,u need to pass your BMT FFI 1st before they are able to send u for recourse,hence if u fail your FFI,u will just stay in your unit continue u ord without passing BMT at all.U can also defer your BMT recourse if your superior need u badly , your unit need u to be in your postiion or your unit is lack of manpower .Originally posted by Don©:Thanks for the advice guys, i didn't expect NS to worsen my injury to this extend. I was told by my PS that i might get recoursed, but i doubt my wrist can take the training. So if i fail my recourse, or injured my wrist again, i would be stuck at bmt phrase forever?
Anyway what vocations do ppl like me get when I can't even hold anything for more than 5 mins with my right hand.
As for vocation it depend on the manpower,for instance if a unit storeman ORD at around the time u ooc,u will most likely replace him.But i dun think they will give u xiong vocation,at most is storeman,clerk or maybe technician,kena technician quite gd cause u will get your 3sg rank,n imagine with your 3sg rank n go back to tekong,will it be tough?hahaa.But one thing for sure is anything can happened in the Army,so it hard to say one loh.
Additional tips for u,when u go into unit and work,it best that u dun alway say your hand pain lah cannot carry this and that,cause in unit u r working,not training your friends might not like it if they have to do the work for u right???
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hey Kenplus, i just remember that Don is mono-intake at 30SCE. that means your advice above isn't suitable for him cos initially we thought he's at BMTC.
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Which might mean that he would be likely to be attached to a less physical department if he is OOCed.Originally posted by Gordonator:hey Kenplus, i just remember that Don is mono-intake at 30SCE. that means your advice above isn't suitable for him cos initially we thought he's at BMTC.
But Don, please get your hand treated, anything else is not as important. -
get a second opinion from a hands specialist...like Teo Nam Chuan ... wonder if he is still with SGH or not... last time mi friend injured see him lor, got downgraded bcos of hand problems...
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I OOC during my first BMT due to a leg injury, but I was not downgraded or anything. After you OOC, you will still be post out (most likely) to another school to learn other trades. For me, I go OETI and become armourer aka gun repair man. If your hand consistently has problem, very likely you get posted to log school or other become clerk or PA. After that, by right, eventually you will get posted back to BMT for recourse. But lots of people can skip the whole BMT thing or simply get OOC again for the same reason. For me, I got back to BMT because I wanted to and had volunteered for it. But lots of my peers never went back at all.Originally posted by Don©:Sorry for sounding so deperate but i'll be booking in soon, so please bear with me.
I sustained a pretty bad injury during my PTP and now i can't really move my right wrist. It swells up every now and then and I am on painkillers everyday. It was an old dislocation injury 5 yrs ago that caused my right wrist to be injury prone, and this is the 4th time i had injured it.
I was refered to a hand specialist at NUH by the MO and was told that it was most likely a torn ligament and inflammation around the wrist area. I was given a splint, 3 weeks of attend B and mid to long term hand therapy.
The qns is how can i complete my BMT with the injury, it hurts even before the injury when i tried to do chin ups and push ups or even lifting up the duffel bag. I sounded it to the MO at cmbp during my medical checkup but the MO didn't really bother and just asked a few qns.
I have difficulty adapting the use of my left hand to have my meals, area cleaning and other simple tasks. And everyday im at the sideline with other guys on status watching them train, which is pretty depressing.
Will I be OOC cos i really don't wanna keep retaking BMT my whole 2 years. Any advice?
Furthermore i'll be continuing my studies after NS and my course requires a fully working pair of hands. I'm afraid further injury or strain might eventually result in disablilty. I feel so down and out -
Personally, my advice is to go to ur specialist with ur parents/uncles aunties/ any adult above 40 also can (why? because with an adult, these specialist will not luan-luan lai, if u go alone, they will immediately put on their MO face and treat u as if u are there to keng.)
Then demand him to look into your case in more detail and ask him to make a conclusion if ur medical condition will reoccur if any physical activities is perform again and ask him to write a letter to ask for permeant downgrade. (Provided if u have a geniue injury that will reoccur, for kengsters need not apply)
Why? During my BMT, I have a platoon mate who is a 3SG who came back for recourse, during his frist BMT, he has back problems and was OOC. Then during the my time, which was his recourse, his old injury flared up and got worsen. And now he has to live with the pain for the rest of his life.
Although, I believe in serving NS for the greater good BUT I dun believe in allowing SAF to make u suffer the rest of your life. If u have an injury, treat it and make sure that it would not come back to haunt u again. -
get it seen and treated.Trust me it's more worth it.
I was OOCed during my BMT cuz i injuryed both legs of my.
Got posted to OETI but i've been on MC for so long they OOCed me also.
My Wing SM said they might just transfer me out of there.See my medical status and how much of NS i have left after i heal -
What are grounds for OOC? Previously if you were excused or light duty for more than 2 weeks, you are considered OOC.
For your case, I thought it will be considered OOC already.
Injured ligament is tricky. It is very hard to determine whether is it really grounds for downgrade and it all depends on whether the MO gives you the benefit of the doubt. I've seen many different cases where some got downgraded and some didn't.
Even myself is suffering from damaged ligament at my left ankle. I previously saw a specialist and he didn't bother too much other than prescribed painkillers, but he did recommend me for temp downgrade. In any case I got downgraded for a bad fracture for my right index finger due to training accident, and all the more so this left foot injury was overlooked. It appears that sometimes leg injury you see SAF specialist is better than you see outside specialist.
Till today, I suffer great discomfort if I walk too long or stand with too much weight. I guess that is something many of us have to live with. -
hi, i am a newbie here. hope someone can enlighten me with these question. my son was recently enlisted. unfortunately, just into the 2nd week of his ptp, he woke up one morning with great pain on his knee cap. he reported sick and was given 3 days mc (light duties) and given painkillers. the pain did not go away and was given another 2 days mc. his leg has begun to swell. this morning, according to his sms, he reported sick again. he was told to go either tan tok seng hospital or alexandra hospital when he book out.
1) is it correct that he can just go and see a doctor without any refer letter? -
Yes he can. And if either of the hospital gave him a checkup and had further medical report, make sure that your son forward them to his MO when he book in.Originally posted by neo2:hi, i am a newbie here. hope someone can enlighten me with these question. my son was recently enlisted. unfortunately, just into the 2nd week of his ptp, he woke up one morning with great pain on his knee cap. he reported sick and was given 3 days mc (light duties) and given painkillers. the pain did not go away and was given another 2 days mc. his leg has begun to swell. this morning, according to his sms, he reported sick again. he was told to go either tan tok seng hospital or alexandra hospital when he book out.
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Don©: i pmsg-ed you on how I dealed with my hand condition already. Pls check your inbox if you're free.
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Gordonator is quite correct.
BMT is a standard SAF course and same regardless where your unit is (exceptions to Commando).
The rules as set by BMTC about your BMT applies universally regardless of unit.
So in your case, i do not see you going for re-course if you attended part of BMT. -
Adding on to Wisefool83's suggestion, I would advice you accompany your son to the hospital. It is better for him and do make sure he submits everything to the MO at BMTC.Originally posted by neo2:hi, i am a newbie here. hope someone can enlighten me with these question. my son was recently enlisted. unfortunately, just into the 2nd week of his ptp, he woke up one morning with great pain on his knee cap. he reported sick and was given 3 days mc (light duties) and given painkillers. the pain did not go away and was given another 2 days mc. his leg has begun to swell. this morning, according to his sms, he reported sick again. he was told to go either tan tok seng hospital or alexandra hospital when he book out.
1) is it correct that he can just go and see a doctor without any refer letter?
Please also make sure the specialist at AH gives him a detailed diagnosis too. Sometimes they may forget. But as a private patient (which your son will be, without a referral letter), it is better because your son's specialist will be the same one throughout the case until your son's knee heals.
You can always come back here if you have any queries. The BMT FAQ and the PES Status FAQs are good threads to post in too. Or you can choose to PM any of the moderators.
Hope your son gets well fast
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Thank you Wisefool83 and Lazerlordz...
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Actually maybe they meant to go to the A&E there to get a referal. They can get you appointments way faster then the army can.The army takes about 3 weeks......I got my appt over 1 weekend after i went to see A&E.Just say it's alot of pain and u cant slp cant do anything and demand an appt ASAP.And it's covered under 11b.You will pay nothing if you do this.Otherwise you have to pay 20% i think.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Adding on to Wisefool83's suggestion, I would advice you accompany your son to the hospital. It is better for him and do make sure he submits everything to the MO at BMTC.
Please also make sure the specialist at AH gives him a detailed diagnosis too. Sometimes they may forget. But as a private patient (which your son will be, without a referral letter), it is better because your son's specialist will be the same one throughout the case until your son's knee heals.
You can always come back here if you have any queries. The BMT FAQ and the PES Status FAQs are good threads to post in too. Or you can choose to PM any of the moderators.
Hope your son gets well fast