Career in the Navy
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go be a navy seal diver ;p
and after training go clear barnicles from the war ships ;p -
noted. thanks.Originally posted by IronBandit:Join NDU. suffer for 9 months then slack forever.... on occassion can tekan new trainees... lol
just kidding NDU great stuff great people if you are up to it go for US NAVY SEAL course -
Hey thanks! Do you know what living conditions are like on board the ship?Originally posted by nanren4ever:i think during your OCS training, u will get to sail onboard 1 of the LST ships and sail for a few months prior to graduation. During this time, u will experience shipboard life, and also help navigate the ship(with one of the officers with u too).
Once posted to ship, usually you start as NO(Navigation officer). That name speaks for itself, of course. But keep in mind that is the bottom of the officers position onbard, and hence most likely kenna takan. Or you may also become a communications officer, whose job is to maintain contact with base, and make sure communications are flowing smoothly.
After that, it will be XO(Executive Officer) where basically u take shit from only the CO of the ship. In short, second biggest onboard. Before finally u go and become CO.
Keep in mind though, that chances are u won't be on board the same ship all ur career. You may be posted to different ships of the same platform, or to another ship of an different platform altogether. What that means is that you may be posted to a platform of ships that do minesweeping activities, but may be posted to another platform later, and that platform will do different operations. -
crampOriginally posted by scabstermooch:Hey thanks! Do you know what living conditions are like on board the ship? -
super cramped.. 6 ppl to a cabin with double deck bed... a sink,mirror and lockers...
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ermm, super crampy. nt like cruise. lols.Originally posted by scabstermooch:Hey thanks! Do you know what living conditions are like on board the ship?
imagine urself as sardine in the can.. then, ask urself if u have motion sickness..? -
career in the navy -> only have daughters in future
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based on theory that guys who fark around will give birth to daughters as karma right? I don't think it applies to the Navy only lah dude.Originally posted by thoreldan:career in the navy -> only have daughters in future -
what sort of theory is that ?Originally posted by Hellraiza:based on theory that guys who fark around will give birth to daughters as karma right? I don't think it applies to the Navy only lah dude. -
i'm refering to the radar signalsOriginally posted by Hellraiza:based on theory that guys who fark around will give birth to daughters as karma right? I don't think it applies to the Navy only lah dude. 
which is quite thru among the people i have worked with in navy -
WOOOPS HAHAHAHA!Originally posted by thoreldan:i'm refering to the radar signals
which is quite thru among the people i have worked with in navy -
For ships that basically is to patrol the Singapore waters, it is not suprising to find at times that up to 6 people will cramp into a cabin to sleep. For ships like LST, its 4 to a cabin usually. What I'm stating here are people below officer rank.Originally posted by scabstermooch:Hey thanks! Do you know what living conditions are like on board the ship?
And for officers, I only know that the top 2 men on board, the CO and XO will each have their own cabin. The rest of the officers usually sleep together. -
Hello
Let me try to help you out with this one. I am currently in service and will try to sketch out the career path, the conditions and the pay..of course without infringing on OSA. As I am not an engineering officer, I am not that qualified to speak about the tech branch and will not elaborate on it.
Basically, upon signing on, you will spend about 8 to 9 months in Midshipman Wing in SAFTI OCS. If you are a graduate, your take home pay should hover around 2000-2200. The Midshipman course is divided into 3 phases - Basic Naval Term, Midshipman Sea Training Deployment and the Advance Naval Term. In BNT, you will learn about the basic knowledge such as the Rules of the Road (the traffic code at sea), basic chart work and other navigational fundamentals which you must know for your work at sea. In MSTD, you will basically go on a cruise of between 3 to 4 weeks onboard an LST, visiting about 2 to 3 ports in the region. MSTD is generally regarded as the most fun but the toughest part of the training and most of the time you will feel tired
It will expose you to what the navy is all about. After MSTD, in ANT you will be given more advanced but still rudimentary training in navigation and warfare related subjects. You will also go for training deployments onboard the mine counter measure vessels and the patrol vessels.
Upon commissioning, you be posted to the ships where you will be known as an Attached Officer. You will spend 3 to 4 months learning about the ship and how to perform the duties of the Officer of the Day (OOD) - the equivalent of the army DSO. However, you will be required to know much more than them. You will learn about fire fighting, ceremonies and protocols, the SOPs for all the various shipboard activities. After that, you will be certified in a practical assessment and awarded your Certificate of Competency. Upon getting your COC, you will be posted to Naval Advanced School (NAS) for about 3 months where you will begin the training to earn your Bridge Watch Keeping Certificate (BWC) which will qualify you to keep watch onboard a ship out at sea and a Navigator Certificate which will qualify you to be a navigating officer onboard ships. This training will extend beyond the 3 months in NAS to another 3 to 4 months onboard ship. After which only you will become a Navigating Officer. Contrary to what most people think, Officers do not learn a lot of rope work or basic housekeeping stuff such as paint chipping or line throwing.
You will serve about 6 to 1 year as a navigating officer before you proceed back to NAS where you can choose a number of specialisation courses of about a month to 2 months. After graduation, you will become either a weapons officer, communication and electronics officer, mine hunting officer or an anti submarine warfare officer. I think all these terms are pretty self explanatory. You will spend about 1 to 2 years in these appointments before proceeding for a 4 months course back in NAS - The Naval Warfare Officer Course. This course will teach you naval warfighting tactics and doctrines, qualifying you to lead a team of specialists in the combat information centre of the ships to fight a battle at sea. You will return to ships to become and Ops Officer and then an Executive Officer (2nd in Command). This tour will probably be about 2 years. At this point, you should be around 29 to 30, assuming you graduate from school with a basic degree at around 23 to 24. Of course, it is also possible now to be awarded the SAF Post Graduate Award for you to pursue a masters somewhere.
Next, you will proceed to a staff tour in MINDEF/HQ RSN/ Formation HQ or go to Singapore Command and Staff College for an 8 months course called the Command and Staff Course (CSC), preparing you for a LTC appt. The staff tours will last between 2 to 3 years after which you will return to ship for a junior command, in command of the patrol vessels and the mine hunters. After that you will proceed to another senior staff appointment in the mentioned places for about 2 to 3 years before returning to hold a senior command onboard a missile corvettes, landing ship tanks or an Executive Officer or Operation Officers onboard the Frigates. The subsequent tours will be quite diverse already and I will not go further. By now, you could be between 35 to 38 perharps
As for living conditions and routines onboard ships, it varies actually. If you are onboard the patrol vessels and mine hunters, you should expect about 10 to 12 days out at sea per month on average with each sailing duration of between 2 to 3 days. If you are onboard the LST, you should expect fewer frequency of sailing but each of longer duration. The same applies for the frigates and the missile corvettes. For example, a deployment to the Arabian Gulf could last for 2 to 3 months while a deployment to an exercise say in Australia could last up to a month. If you are in harbour, your working day should start between 0730 and 0800 and end by 1700, often earlier as our philosophy is for our guys to spend as much time as possible with their families and loved ones when they are in harbour, considering the time they will spend out at sea nowadays. Living condition onboard? Again it varies. The food ranges from mediocre to great - depending on the mood of your chef. Living quarters could be cramped - 4 to 6 in one large cabin onboard the corvettes, 2 to a cabin onboard the rest of the ships with qaulity of the room varying with the most luxurious being on the Frigates and LST - the LST have ensuite showers and toilets for the officer cabins! Life out at sea is pretty comfortable. Most of the time, you keep watch for about 4 hours and have a rest of between 8 to 12 hours where you pretty much free to do your own stuff - be it to read, eat, sleep or watch tons of DVD with your guys, with most the planning and preparatory work being performed prior to sailing. The scenery is often great. Of course ideally you should have a stronger than average stomach to cope with turbulent sea and have understanding partners and family who realise the nature of your work.
As for the pay, you can find that out pretty easily from the naval recruitment website. Just note that you will also have a ship board allowance of about 300 dollars. Also, the officers pay scheme is divided into Scheme A, B and C. Scheme B being the default for graduates. Scheme C being the most and requiring a interview and CO's recommendation to get it. Pay difference between scheme B and C could be as much as 800 SGD.
Ok I hopes this help...please forgive me for any subsequent inaccuracies discovered! -
Oh my god! Thank you very much. You've helped given me more info about a career in the navy than I have found asking google etc! I really aprpeaciate the help!Originally posted by solaris:Hello
Let me try to help you out with this one. I am currently in service and will try to sketch out the career path, the conditions and the pay..of course without infringing on OSA. As I am not an engineering officer, I am not that qualified to speak about the tech branch and will not elaborate on it.
Basically, upon signing on, you will spend about 8 to 9 months in Midshipman Wing in SAFTI OCS. If you are a graduate, your take home pay should hover around 2000-2200. The Midshipman course is divided into 3 phases - Basic Naval Term, Midshipman Sea Training Deployment and the Advance Naval Term. In BNT, you will learn about the basic knowledge such as the Rules of the Road (the traffic code at sea), basic chart work and other navigational fundamentals which you must know for your work at sea. In MSTD, you will basically go on a cruise of between 3 to 4 weeks onboard an LST, visiting about 2 to 3 ports in the region. MSTD is generally regarded as the most fun but the toughest part of the training and most of the time you will feel tired It will expose you to what the navy is all about. After MSTD, in ANT you will be given more advanced but still rudimentary training in navigation and warfare related subjects. You will also go for training deployments onboard the mine counter measure vessels and the patrol vessels.
Upon commissioning, you be posted to the ships where you will be known as an Attached Officer. You will spend 3 to 4 months learning about the ship and how to perform the duties of the Officer of the Day (OOD) - the equivalent of the army DSO. However, you will be required to know much more than them. You will learn about fire fighting, ceremonies and protocols, the SOPs for all the various shipboard activities. After that, you will be certified in a practical assessment and awarded your Certificate of Competency. Upon getting your COC, you will be posted to Naval Advanced School (NAS) for about 3 months where you will begin the training to earn your Bridge Watch Keeping Certificate (BWC) which will qualify you to keep watch onboard a ship out at sea and a Navigator Certificate which will qualify you to be a navigating officer onboard ships. This training will extend beyond the 3 months in NAS to another 3 to 4 months onboard ship. After which only you will become a Navigating Officer. Contrary to what most people think, Officers do not learn a lot of rope work or basic housekeeping stuff such as paint chipping or line throwing.
You will serve about 6 to 1 year as a navigating officer before you proceed back to NAS where you can choose a number of specialisation courses of about a month to 2 months. After graduation, you will become either a weapons officer, communication and electronics officer, mine hunting officer or an anti submarine warfare officer. I think all these terms are pretty self explanatory. You will spend about 1 to 2 years in these appointments before proceeding for a 4 months course back in NAS - The Naval Warfare Officer Course. This course will teach you naval warfighting tactics and doctrines, qualifying you to lead a team of specialists in the combat information centre of the ships to fight a battle at sea. You will return to ships to become and Ops Officer and then an Executive Officer (2nd in Command). This tour will probably be about 2 years. At this point, you should be around 29 to 30, assuming you graduate from school with a basic degree at around 23 to 24. Of course, it is also possible now to be awarded the SAF Post Graduate Award for you to pursue a masters somewhere.
Next, you will proceed to a staff tour in MINDEF/HQ RSN/ Formation HQ or go to Singapore Command and Staff College for an 8 months course called the Command and Staff Course (CSC), preparing you for a LTC appt. The staff tours will last between 2 to 3 years after which you will return to ship for a junior command, in command of the patrol vessels and the mine hunters. After that you will proceed to another senior staff appointment in the mentioned places for about 2 to 3 years before returning to hold a senior command onboard a missile corvettes, landing ship tanks or an Executive Officer or Operation Officers onboard the Frigates. The subsequent tours will be quite diverse already and I will not go further. By now, you could be between 35 to 38 perharps
As for living conditions and routines onboard ships, it varies actually. If you are onboard the patrol vessels and mine hunters, you should expect about 10 to 12 days out at sea per month on average with each sailing duration of between 2 to 3 days. If you are onboard the LST, you should expect fewer frequency of sailing but each of longer duration. The same applies for the frigates and the missile corvettes. For example, a deployment to the Arabian Gulf could last for 2 to 3 months while a deployment to an exercise say in Australia could last up to a month. If you are in harbour, your working day should start between 0730 and 0800 and end by 1700, often earlier as our philosophy is for our guys to spend as much time as possible with their families and loved ones when they are in harbour, considering the time they will spend out at sea nowadays. Living condition onboard? Again it varies. The food ranges from mediocre to great - depending on the mood of your chef. Living quarters could be cramped - 4 to 6 in one large cabin onboard the corvettes, 2 to a cabin onboard the rest of the ships with qaulity of the room varying with the most luxurious being on the Frigates and LST - the LST have ensuite showers and toilets for the officer cabins! Life out at sea is pretty comfortable. Most of the time, you keep watch for about 4 hours and have a rest of between 8 to 12 hours where you pretty much free to do your own stuff - be it to read, eat, sleep or watch tons of DVD with your guys, with most the planning and preparatory work being performed prior to sailing. The scenery is often great. Of course ideally you should have a stronger than average stomach to cope with turbulent sea and have understanding partners and family who realise the nature of your work.
As for the pay, you can find that out pretty easily from the naval recruitment website. Just note that you will also have a ship board allowance of about 300 dollars. Also, the officers pay scheme is divided into Scheme A, B and C. Scheme B being the default for graduates. Scheme C being the most and requiring a interview and CO's recommendation to get it. Pay difference between scheme B and C could be as much as 800 SGD.
Ok I hopes this help...please forgive me for any subsequent inaccuracies discovered!
Could you please tell me what the difference is between scheme B and C? Is scheme C for ppl on scholarships? (no pun intended!
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Could you also tell me if I get overseas allowance when sailing out of Singapore waters ? -
PS: I seriously think you post should be made a sticky! -
If i remember correctly, you get sailing allowance. Not sure how much it is though.
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[quote]Originally posted by scabstermooch:
Oh my god! Thank you very much. You've helped given me more info about a career in the navy than I have found asking google etc! I really aprpeaciate the help!
Could you please tell me what the difference is between scheme B and C? Is scheme C for ppl on scholarships? (no pun intended! )
Could you also tell me if I get overseas allowance when sailing out of Singapore waters ? -
PS: I seriously think you post should be made a sticky! [/quote
Qualification for Scheme C interview only requires a 2nd upper and above Honours degree together. Other consideration include CO recommendation. It is regardless of scholarship. Only Honours will be considered with any post graduate qualifications disregarded. Essentially Scheme C simply means more money. As long as you are serving onboard an operational warship (ship in yard not considered), you will get your shipboard allowance of about 300. If you visit overseas port, you will be given a daily subsistence allowance which will be credited to you after your return. It is not a big sum and varies according to the port. Anyway, money should not be a consideration. The pay is competitive no doubt but the life style may be a bit irregulars and you might not always have a full weekend. Depending on the status of your ship, you are also liable for recall and such. The 10 to 12 days of sailing excludes time spent on duties and others. So think carefully...you are giving the best years of your 20s and 30s and all decisions should always be taken with the best of information. -
Originally posted by solaris:
Yes...It was a joke, hence the
[quote]Originally posted by scabstermooch:
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Oh my god! Thank you very much. You've helped given me more info about a career in the navy than I have found asking google etc! I really aprpeaciate the help!
Could you please tell me what the difference is between scheme B and C? Is scheme C for ppl on scholarships? (no pun intended! )
Could you also tell me if I get overseas allowance when sailing out of Singapore waters ? -
PS: I seriously think you post should be made a sticky! [/quote
Qualification for Scheme C interview only requires a 2nd upper and above Honours degree together. Other consideration include CO recommendation. It is regardless of scholarship. Only Honours will be considered with any post graduate qualifications disregarded. Essentially Scheme C simply means more money. As long as you are serving onboard an operational warship (ship in yard not considered), you will get your shipboard allowance of about 300. If you visit overseas port, you will be given a daily subsistence allowance which will be credited to you after your return. It is not a big sum and varies according to the port. Anyway, money should not be a consideration. The pay is competitive no doubt but the life style may be a bit irregulars and you might not always have a full weekend. Depending on the status of your ship, you are also liable for recall and such. The 10 to 12 days of sailing excludes time spent on duties and others. So think carefully...you are giving the best years of your 20s and 30s and all decisions should always be taken with the best of information. [/b] --> I don't think anyone of their right mind will join the SAF for the money as that is very short term thinking.
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Actually, the question you should ask yourself before signing to anything with regards to the navy is..
can you tahan sea sickness?
some ppl just really have low tolerance towards it and it is not gonna make your time as an officer fun. sure, LSTs and Frigates might be bigger and able to tone down the effects.. but if you do get posted to a MCV or god forbid.. MGB.. the rocking and pounding is just crazy. -
Originally posted by Vilya:
I thought they phrasing out MGB liao?
Actually, the question you should ask yourself before signing to anything with regards to the navy is..
can you tahan sea sickness?
some ppl just really have low tolerance towards it and it is not gonna make your time as an officer fun. sure, LSTs and Frigates might be bigger and able to tone down the effects.. but if you do get posted to a MCV or god forbid.. [b]MGB.. the rocking and pounding is just crazy.[/b] -
there are still 4 in ops, 1 warming down end of this mth though. the last one should go out 08/09. they like wanna decom, dun wanna decom. not sure what is up there thinking /shrug
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as a person ages, his priorities in life changes. what could be tempting at first could prove to be the very reason for him to comtemplate leaving the service.Originally posted by scabstermooch:Yes, I would like to know what I am getting myself into. The not being in Singapore part is very very tempting. Thx! -
some don't even have the fortune. the high divorce rate isn't there for nothing.. you know. talk about procreation.. hahah.Originally posted by thoreldan:career in the navy -> only have daughters in future -
if only my unit can think this way.Originally posted by solaris:If you are in harbour, your working day should start between 0730 and 0800 and end by 1700, often earlier as our philosophy is for our guys to spend as much time as possible with their families and loved ones when they are in harbour, considering the time they will spend out at sea nowadays.
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wow.. your unit don't need emotional/psychology/physical training meh. under the guise of such training, watch-keeping are usually one in two, meaning six on six off. should the actions get tough, it is not uncommon for one to have just a mere five hours rest within a twenty four hours period and i can tell you an hour rest onboard a warship is not your usual one hour rest.Originally posted by solaris:Life out at sea is pretty comfortable. Most of the time, you keep watch for about 4 hours and have a rest of between 8 to 12 hours where you pretty much free to do your own stuff - be it to read, eat, sleep or watch tons of DVD with your guys, with most the planning and preparatory work being performed prior to sailing.
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i think it is exercise requirements that kept them on-going. the other squadrons are already feeling stretched with the surge in sailing requirements this year.Originally posted by Vilya:there are still 4 in ops, 1 warming down end of this mth though. the last one should go out 08/09. they like wanna decom, dun wanna decom. not sure what is up there thinking /shrug