Scholarship and a career in the army?
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the SAS military is the one on my mind=)
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PAY!!! unless it mrs goh peanuts, if not dun think about it.... i am sure ppl can get it somewhere else... for me i am getting 10 fold more now and still folding...
it not a regular army but a citizen army, so if you talk about passion, think of something else as well.
from a ex regular...
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Your 6 years bond starts after you complete your degree. I don't think it includes NS since you need to complete your NS before going for your degree. 6 years is not a long time, but adding the 2 years NS and 4 years degree programmes will bring you to your mid-30s.
Its not a bad programme though. Having a salary during your studies makes you one-up against your peers. You will have a peace of mid concentrating on your studies, without worrying about money. And for getting a regular pay during NS and for 4 years of study, it is only right to serve a bond after that.
The question now is what you intend to do after 30 years old. If you discipline yourself properly, and start investing wisely while still in the Army, you will be prepared for your next step into civilian world.
Its a big step out. At the rank of MAJ to LTC, you can expect a big pay cut, if you are seeking employment. There are success stories from ex-regulars, but many end up as insurance agents, housing agents and taxi-drivers. I know some ex-regulars who cannot even get a job half the pay. So, save up while still in the Army, because the next best thing is start your own business. -
Remember. You sign on, you are spending years in Army till mid 30s. They are paying for your time becuz u r gonna spend so much time with them. people go enjoy or work in the civilian world, you are stuck inside . Advice, dont get influence by those who try to lure you in.
Recently, SAF came my poly n tok cock. LT Major trying to brainwash us and he keep saying he is nt trying to hard sell SAF. But he talk so much and bottomline still promoting SAF. Nice stories and kinda motivating. Thanks but no thanks. -
Most regulars like to splash their money on fanciful cars during this time,even early 20s NCOs earning barely over 2k...Originally posted by KoolKool:So, save up while still in the Army, because the next best thing is start your own business.
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Thanks for the useful insights. Just curious, what is the job prospect like for regulars after they finish their bond with the SAF? And are there any rules/guidelines suah that when you're serving you cannot be like owning a 2nd job or owning a company in your own name? I'm asking because my group of 4 friends are intending to like start an ad.agency or marketing firm. So yeah...hope to gain some valuable insights on that.Originally posted by KoolKool:Your 6 years bond starts after you complete your degree. I don't think it includes NS since you need to complete your NS before going for your degree. 6 years is not a long time, but adding the 2 years NS and 4 years degree programmes will bring you to your mid-30s.
Its not a bad programme though. Having a salary during your studies makes you one-up against your peers. You will have a peace of mid concentrating on your studies, without worrying about money. And for getting a regular pay during NS and for 4 years of study, it is only right to serve a bond after that.
The question now is what you intend to do after 30 years old. If you discipline yourself properly, and start investing wisely while still in the Army, you will be prepared for your next step into civilian world.
Its a big step out. At the rank of MAJ to LTC, you can expect a big pay cut, if you are seeking employment. There are success stories from ex-regulars, but many end up as insurance agents, housing agents and taxi-drivers. I know some ex-regulars who cannot even get a job half the pay. So, save up while still in the Army, because the next best thing is start your own business. -
For NCOs,they can't do shi-t.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Thanks for the useful insights. Just curious, what is the job prospect like for regulars after they finish their bond with the SAF? And are there any rules/guidelines suah that when you're serving you cannot be like owning a 2nd job or owning a company in your own name? I'm asking because my group of 4 friends are intending to like start an ad.agency or marketing firm. So yeah...hope to gain some valuable insights on that.
For officers,I know of some who became Operations Managers or PE Teachers in schools. -
Not to be biased. Not everyone enjoy their civilian work.Originally posted by Syndicate:people go enjoy or work in the civilian world, you are stuck inside .
I don't know much about job prospect at NCO level. I can understand why people signed on as Specialist in technical posts, but never understood the rationale for infantry specialists.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Thanks for the useful insights. Just curious, what is the job prospect like for regulars after they finish their bond with the SAF? And are there any rules/guidelines suah that when you're serving you cannot be like owning a 2nd job or owning a company in your own name? I'm asking because my group of 4 friends are intending to like start an ad.agency or marketing firm. So yeah...hope to gain some valuable insights on that.
Air Force technicians have skill set that is required in the market. About being able to lead and people management is bull****. I do appreciate some integrity and good planning abilities, but that does not justify for the kind of pay.
I think COLs and above can get jobs as Directors in other Government Ministries or Government-linked companies. Below that rank, things seem not so rosy. In a big company, why employ a MAJ / LTC to be a Manager, when there are so many candidates within the set-up to fill that post. Surely, you want to groom your existing loyal staff. In a small company, how many can afford to pay a MAJ / LTC salary. Fresh, young and 'teachable' graduates that cost less than half makes more sense. If you end your contract with the Army below the rank of Captain, I think the general perception is that this fella is screwed up.
There are rules on moonlighting, but I do not want to cross the line to suggest something else. -
wad abt pilot?
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just walk to SIA .............
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Regular combaty specialists after they ORDed can really go fu-ck spider man...Originally posted by KoolKool:I don't know much about job prospect at NCO level. I can understand why people signed on as Specialist in technical posts, but never understood the rationale for infantry specialists. -
Be a PSD, train up and head to combat zones as a hired gun.Originally posted by Marco_Simone:Regular combaty specialists after they ORDed can really go fu-ck spider man...
That's if, if you are good. -
Even regular specs don't really have job security these days. If they are evaluated to be not so good, didn pass IPPT, range etc... they may not even be offered PP2.
After spending 10 years in the army, you finish ur PP1, but never recieve PP2, what can you do? Your experience in the army is hardly counted as work experience outside.
Like what the rest say, the only way u can flourish inside the army is that u LOVE the military, and do 101% in it. Otherwise, forget it, best to remain an enthusiast, and just read up about while holding normal jobs. Don't forget, you still can be garang with no strings attached during Reservist and improve ur redcon.
I've a friend, who really enjoys military stuff, the exercises, going outfield, the planning, going thru the sh!t. Guess whats his job? A dancer.
The military may not be your own interest or passion. Some of these passion u won't even discover until you are older or perhaps at least after u finish NS. I was one who saw the monetary benefits offered by SAF and nearly sold my soul to them. Finally, when I remembered the regimental life style, the sh!t rollin down the hill, I asked myself, "Is this what I really want for the next 10 years? Working with unmotivated ppl who shrug their responsibilities, arrowing NSFs? Having so much beauracracy built around me..."
The money may be attractive, but who is to say that there aren't better opportunities in future? Don't sign on, unless u really love the military. OR if your family finance situation is not so good, u really need to cash to support ur family, etc, then maybe u can learn to love the army as a career. -
aviod counting chickens they hatches. if u are indeed capable of getting that degree, get it first then talk later.Originally posted by jus-tea:Need some advice from our bros here. I'm a poly student currently studying business and i plan to further my studies to a degree. -
To be honest, I think that if you love the military lifestyle as it is commonly understood, then the SAF is probably not for you. Also, as someone said above, this is a citizen army. If you really love the military and actually care, then you will likely have a very fuistrating time in the army.Originally posted by Shotgun:Even regular specs don't really have job security these days. If they are evaluated to be not so good, didn pass IPPT, range etc... they may not even be offered PP2.
After spending 10 years in the army, you finish ur PP1, but never recieve PP2, what can you do? Your experience in the army is hardly counted as work experience outside.
Like what the rest say, the only way u can flourish inside the army is that u LOVE the military, and do 101% in it. Otherwise, forget it, best to remain an enthusiast, and just read up about while holding normal jobs. Don't forget, you still can be garang with no strings attached during Reservist and improve ur redcon. -
Just a word of advice from a rifleman...
You can be a scholar, or whatever the fark, but there are only 2 kinds of officers i've seen. One is the kind that knows his shit on his fingertips. One is the kind who just goes through the motions thinking life will be good after OCS, and when it comes to missions totally gabra like fark, everything rely on the PS or even the men (yah i've seen PC asking specs to do the ops order for him) but gets ahead by carrying balls, and fucking his men up along the way. But the men won't matter once you make it to Staff Officer right? -
lol noted but yes most prob i'll do it if not in sg den try my best overseas? lolOriginally posted by Gordonator:aviod counting chickens they hatches. if u are indeed capable of getting that degree, get it first then talk later. -
hmmm so wad's the retirement age anyways? but does being a scholar help? as in raising in ranks? hahaha so in short no COL and above = crap life la?
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I think its 42 now regardless of what age you joined.Originally posted by jus-tea:hmmm so wad's the retirement age anyways? but does being a scholar help? as in raising in ranks? hahaha so in short no COL and above = crap life la? -
I want to preface my comments by saying that I am not and have never been in the CD!!! Post largely based on what I have heard!Originally posted by jus-tea:the SAS military is the one on my mind=)
If you are doing it for the money, have you though of other uniformed organizations like the Civil defence? Same salary but the retirement age is 50.
Further, in the CD, you will have plenty of opportunity to practise what you trained for and possibly to get qualifications like Hazmat (dealing with hazardous materials) certs etc.
I know the CD isn't seen in the best light by everyone but if you can get over that i think it is a good option. -
ooohh 42? that's crapy. so if i dun become a COL and above gone. crap. oh and no offense but i dun see myself in CD. hahah
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No leh, i know of a COL whose above 42 and still in the forces.
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Well, if he is 40+ now then I think it is clear that he belongs to another age altogether and his Terms and Conditions of service would be different from those joining today.Originally posted by Shotgun:No leh, i know of a COL whose above 42 and still in the forces. -
haha, to speak a honest comment, Policemen are trained and then deploied to guard this guard that, Army people get trained and then wait for the war that is never going to come, Civil Defence men really put thier training into good news , they have to face the fact that they may die when they go and fight a fire.
Well, some of you guys may think diffrently but this is my view
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I think shld be 45 for officers and 50 or 55 for WOSEs. If fitness fail, also kena kick out early one.
Scholars usually have better prospects during and after their stint in the armed forces but not pouring cold water on you ah, these scholars are those who get their scholarships personally given to them from the president lah, PSC type lah, etc, etc.
So unless u do super duper well in ur poly and get accepted to a famous Uni overseas, u most likely can neber win these air-level ultra nerds. Remember, must do super duper well in ur degree also, if not u hentakaki also.
In short, u must piang so much that u are equal to the air-level super-duper-ultra-nerds.