Enter Army, can learn a lot of things.
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What's so great abt OCS anyway? Think those ppl are probably brainwashed.
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the pay? the prestige? the added responsibilities make u feel valuable.
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If you are genuinely interested in being a real leader, not a wayang poofter. I have nothing to say, and maybe I can admire that spirit.
But that's probably a small minority which I've come across, and officers which lead by example, rare. -
The pay not very high oso. I earn more than them. The prestige? What's left of it after u ORD?Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:the pay? the prestige? the added responsibilities make u feel valuable.
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true. i even recommended 2 of them into my company.Originally posted by Chelzea:SO it is during yr unit day which u will meet friends who u wld keep in touch>?true?
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The problem with the army is that it has low standards. I wouldn't dare tell people that I went on xxx course because I know that although I have passed the course, I actually know next to nothing about the subject.
What that also means is that soldiers leave the army with almost no transferable skills whatsoever. Not even a friggin' driving licence.
IMO, that is one reason why morale is so low in the army; Everything you do is so pointless. [gg abit OT now...]
Up the standards, up the professionalism and morale may improve. its a fookin vicious cycle this... -
Actually I think not all things that u learned in Army are useless. Methods to keep fit, leadership, taking responsiblities, how to communicate with superiors and subordinates etc, are useful skills in real life.
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its not gonna be useless when malaysia decides to invade singapore.Originally posted by flayn80:Actually I think not all things that u learned in Army are useless. Methods to keep fit, leadership, taking responsiblities, how to communicate with superiors and subordinates etc, are useful skills in real life. -
I agree with you that things like delegation of work, ability to handle 'army politics', multi tasking are all very useful skills that one might pick up in the army. and let's not forget the vast network one might have gainedOriginally posted by flayn80:Actually I think not all things that u learned in Army are useless. Methods to keep fit, leadership, taking responsiblities, how to communicate with superiors and subordinates etc, are useful skills in real life.
However, most organisation don't really value such skills.
Unless you're a high ranking officer with leadership potential... then they will assume post elsewhere. if not there's really nothing forward looking for the WOSEs.
I find it sad that although we have such a professional armed forces, the regulars don't really get good job prospects, esp after maybe let's say a ten year stint in the saf.
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Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:The pay not very high oso. I earn more than them. The prestige? What's left of it after u ORD?
Being able to state that you're an officer on your resume is a good thing.Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:What's so great abt OCS anyway? Think those ppl are probably brainwashed. -
Maybe. But its significance will not be so great to justify the 9 months of sufferings cos an employer also looks into other factors in your resume.Originally posted by SumOne:Being able to state that you're an officer on your resume is a good thing.
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Other useful skills include :Originally posted by flayn80:Actually I think not all things that u learned in Army are useless. Methods to keep fit, leadership, taking responsiblities, how to communicate with superiors and subordinates etc, are useful skills in real life.
SAF Taiji Quan - seen some real masters in there.
Illusions - seen some David Copperfields as well.
Drama / Acting skills - for the big wayangs. -
Although not the only positive factor, it is still a postive thing to add to your resume.Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:Maybe. But its significance will not be so great to justify the 9 months of sufferings cos an employer also looks into other factors in your resume.
Also, the issue is not about your nine months in OCS, it's about what happens after. In fact, you don't put in your resume that you're a graduate of OCS like how you might one day put on your resume that you're a graduate of NUS.
For most people after OCS, they are assigned to posts/roles/areas of responsibilities where they are expected to lead. The idea is that prospective employees cite examples of having undertaken leadership roles in army. Leadership in army is one example of many other possible ones.
It's not about the person being in OCS, it's about the appointment thereafter. -
So what do you think of SISPEC then?Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:What's so great abt OCS anyway? Think those ppl are probably brainwashed. -
Honestly, army NSF pay is nothing. It's just an allowance.Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:The pay not very high oso. I earn more than them. The prestige? What's left of it after u ORD? -
And that's where even if you are just a spec or man, your appointment and what you did in the SAF during your NSF days might overshadow a mere platoon commander.Originally posted by SumOne:Although not the only positive factor, it is still a postive thing to add to your resume.
Also, the issue is not about your nine months in OCS, it's about what happens after. In fact, you don't put in your resume that you're a graduate of OCS like how you might one day put on your resume that you're a graduate of NUS.
For most people after OCS, they are assigned to posts/roles/areas of responsibilities where they are expected to lead. The idea is that prospective employees cite examples of having undertaken leadership roles in army. Leadership in army is one example of many other possible ones.
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Seriously, do employer really give a damn to your army experiences? I doubt that.Originally posted by LazerLordz:And that's where even if you are just a spec or man, your appointment and what you did in the SAF during your NSF days might overshadow a mere platoon commander.
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Ha ha. Yeah, I know. But the thing is, as an officer, you definitely have an appt. As a man, it really depends. Specs do get appointments as well but then again, it depends on what appointment.Originally posted by LazerLordz:And that's where even if you are just a spec or man, your appointment and what you did in the SAF during your NSF days might overshadow a mere platoon commander. -
Yes they do, only if you are working in a related line. Though I dare say such experiences that will perk up eyebrows, are not common.Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:Seriously, do employer really give a damn to your army experiences? I doubt that.
Some NSFs I know have personally led Learning Organisations/Knowledge Managment and IKC transformation plans etc. -
Actually, they do. Especially if it seems like Army experience that seems relevant to the job you're applying for. Sometimes, it's about how you show the interviewer that it's relevant.Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:Seriously, do employer really give a damn to your army experiences? I doubt that.
It's about the overall package, and it depends on what job you are applying for and what are the requirements. You use anything and everything you can to show why you can be the person to do the job.
If your army experience doesn't seem relevant, then don't bring it in. But if it does, then expound on it.
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Correct, for example, if you were a Network Administrator, it's clearly a benefit if you are going into networking in the job market.Originally posted by SumOne:Actually, they do. Especially if it seems like Army experience that seems relevant to the job you're applying for. Sometimes, it's about how you show the interviewer that it's relevant.
It's about the overall package, and it depends on what job you are applying for and what are the requirements. You use anything and everything you can to show why you can be the person to do the job.
If your army experience doesn't seem relevant, then don't bring it in. But if it does, then expound on it.
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Yep, that's how it is. Good example.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Correct, for example, if you were a Network Administrator, it's clearly a benefit if you are going into networking in the job market. -
Then I pity those storeman or other vocations who really have nothing nice to put on their resume.
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U try with what your have, sadly, that's life isn't it.Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:Then I pity those storeman or other vocations who really have nothing nice to put on their resume. -
You make the best of what you have, like I said, it isn't the only deciding factor. You can more than make up for it with other factors or experiences.Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:Then I pity those storeman or other vocations who really have nothing nice to put on their resume.