Enter Army, can learn a lot of things.
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Of course, if you weren't forced to enter the Army, then you wouldn't have this problem...
I think the Army has to start looking at ways to enrich the Army experience and to increase transferable skills.
Eg. Storemen can be trained in accounts, bookkeeping, etc. Train them to industry std, make them take the exams and fail them if you have to. Infantry soldiers can get driving/security qualifications. I am not sure if combat engineet plant operators get civilian licences for the vehicles they drive but I thin they really ought to.
This is a qualifications-based society we are living in now and alot of emphasis is placed on academic ability. The army has to move on with the times. Stop wasting money on nonsense like new PT-kit, new uniforms and BS like ISO certifications and start doing something for the soldier instead.
These are all very obvious and doable things. All you need is to tighten up standards and maintain them. Of course, if COs of the various trg establishments don't want to exercise leadership and are more interested in acheiving ISO (I suspect because then when they retire they can have something to put on their CV) then r nothing will improve. -
I wish we can have scabstermooch as ACGS (Plans)
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Some NSFs I know can easily be Division or Brigade Plans Officers.Originally posted by KoolKool:I wish we can have scabstermooch as ACGS (Plans)
Do you know how much work NSFs do, especially clerks? They are the ones who keep the SAF running. -
indeed. if one day all NSFs went on strike, mindef and SAF's operations will come to a halt.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Do you know how much work NSFs do, especially clerks? They are the ones who keep the SAF running. -
wonder will we see this happening ?Originally posted by Gordonator:indeed. if one day all NSFs went on strike, mindef and SAF's operations will come to a halt.
it will go down in sg history and in future history text books
NSFs pull of coup of all time going on strike -
This will never happen cos Singaporeans won't have the guts to do it.Originally posted by Gordonator:indeed. if one day all NSFs went on strike, mindef and SAF's operations will come to a halt. 
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Good to hear that NSF is recognised as the backbone of the SAF. This is truly a citizen's army.
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ya. tell those regulars to go fly kite.Originally posted by molgax:wonder will we see this happening ?
it will go down in sg history and in future history text books
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hahaha i have "Learning Army Initiative" printed on my COS. And yes, i know many NSFs who pioneered the LA experience (later KM and what have you) too. I was prob one of the first NSFs involved in the Learning Organisation Project, the experience gained invaluable.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Yes they do, only if you are working in a related line. Though I dare say such experiences that will perk up eyebrows, are not common.
Some NSFs I know have personally led Learning Organisations/Knowledge Managment and IKC transformation plans etc.
Personally, the knowledge learnt from LA/LO was beneficial, but the most impt skill i learnt in the Army was organisation and planning.
P.S. i've maintained my physical fitness, whilst i may not be able to run a 9:45mins 2.4kms, i sure as hell can still pass my IPPT if the need arises -
Pardon me, but why must the SAF initiate and formalise these techniques and skills? Why can't the NSFs take a proactive approach, put their hands up to volunteer for such tasks and learn from the experience? (also, is a paper/certificate REALLY needed at the end of it all?) What irks me abt our (yes, me included) singaporean mentality is that any impetus for self-improvement should stem from the govt. (i.e. SAF).Originally posted by scabstermooch:Of course, if you weren't forced to enter the Army, then you wouldn't have this problem...
I think the Army has to start looking at ways to enrich the Army experience and to increase transferable skills.
Eg. Storemen can be trained in accounts, bookkeeping, etc. Train them to industry std, make them take the exams and fail them if you have to. Infantry soldiers can get driving/security qualifications. I am not sure if combat engineet plant operators get civilian licences for the vehicles they drive but I thin they really ought to.
This is a qualifications-based society we are living in now and alot of emphasis is placed on academic ability. The army has to move on with the times. Stop wasting money on nonsense like new PT-kit, new uniforms and BS like ISO certifications and start doing something for the soldier instead.
These are all very obvious and doable things. All you need is to tighten up standards and maintain them. Of course, if COs of the various trg establishments don't want to exercise leadership and are more interested in acheiving ISO (I suspect because then when they retire they can have something to put on their CV) then r nothing will improve.
By the way, NS is not a 2.5 years enrichment program for 18 yr olds to learn trade/mgmt skills. Its primary purpose is to train and develop an NSF into a citizen soldier to defend its own country when the need arises. So let's try and remember the need to develop warfighting skills and abilities over anything else. -
This is what I gained too. The ability to juggle tasks on a deadline, and I'm not sure about you, but sometimes I felt this perverse sense of acheivement that I'm doing something that is way beyond my rank or supposed appt.Originally posted by gonegoose:hahaha i have "Learning Army Initiative" printed on my COS. And yes, i know many NSFs who pioneered the LA experience (later KM and what have you) too. I was prob one of the first NSFs involved in the Learning Organisation Project, the experience gained invaluable.
Personally, the knowledge learnt from LA/LO was beneficial, but the most impt skill i learnt in the Army was organisation and planning.
P.S. i've maintained my physical fitness, whilst i may not be able to run a 9:45mins 2.4kms, i sure as hell can still pass my IPPT if the need arises
Improvement comes from within. You may not get extra off or pay for streamlining your branch office, but the processes that you have to go through, may actually benefit you in the future.
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ya lor...me 2....Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:BMT just remind me of nothing but pain & sufferings.
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Wa, we are really similiar... loves cai png... bad BMT experience. It will be even better if you smoke.Originally posted by Stooky:ya lor...me 2.... 
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the only thing i learn in army was to chao keng and learn to talk nicely ppl