New Fieldpack (part 2)
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actually i registered this forum becoz of this thread but only to know its expired, so im rising it back again..
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=190213
lol.
anyway im a former spartan so to clarify some items as far as i know abt this fieldpack, lbv and poi..
actually im not so sure abt the use of the fieldpack now as it was given to us when we are abt to ord, but im pretty sure its not going to be used for ops use. so big rite? the men will make lots of noise if it becomes an SOP item. but anyway, my time of POI, we used another 'run road' kind of duffer bag(below) to put our stuff. ugly but big enough to stuff lbv and helmet and probably few other stuff as well.
as for lbv, tho it looks nice but its never nice wearing that to chiong sua.
we wore them for taiwan and hell its heavy especially so if its waterbag is filled. we actually used it for ops used as it looks more sud and outfield is for testing purposes.
many compartments but not all are used.
many items given for poi, except pay increment. zzz.
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Cool.....
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your head.. the lbv can kill u..Originally posted by hobochua:Cool..... 
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there is a new fieldpack which can attach additional pouch.. the bag with pouches attached can kill u even if its empty..
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are u refering to this?Originally posted by mr_sotong:there is a new fieldpack which can attach additional pouch.. the bag with pouches attached can kill u even if its empty.. 
(gotten frm the old thread)
i have this too but i forgot to take a photo of it. -
double post
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Originally posted by Hellraiza:Not really...did a 24km route march with LBV...i'm still alive
well, you wanna look cool, you gotta pay the price...
so far my only grouse is that they havent introduced the fieldpack that can accomodate the LBV waterbag...when u open the waterspout, the water spurts out due to the pressure of the fieldpack on the waterbag -
ya.. but a bit different from mine.Originally posted by tfcheng:are u refering to this?
(gotten frm the old thread)
i have this too but i forgot to take a photo of it. -
with additional pouches to the front?
think the pouches for the lbv can be attached there as well. -
i think the water bag of the LBV is useless. water bottles are still the best and more practical. for example, somemore get heat stroke and needs water urgently. with a water bottle we can quickly pour water onto him and let him drink from the bottle very quickly. we definitely won't be able to this with the water bag.
something when those DSTA engineers design something, they must also think whether practical or not mah... -
the only thing better for the water bag is probably centralising the weight, whereas water bottle would have one side heavier if one side is empty or lesser. water bottle tends to get missing as well.
anyway, the worst part of the waterbag is that it is hard to wash! shld some dumbass pours syrup or sugared water in, its difficult to have a good wash as it hard to dry, or impossible. lol.
i still have couple of items issued to us for poi use. anyone wanna see? -
no.. dont wan to see.. i already see enough..Originally posted by tfcheng:the only thing better for the water bag is probably centralising the weight, whereas water bottle would have one side heavier if one side is empty or lesser. water bottle tends to get missing as well.
anyway, the worst part of the waterbag is that it is hard to wash! shld some dumbass pours syrup or sugared water in, its difficult to have a good wash as it hard to dry, or impossible. lol.
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Some SIRs LBVs are using the waterbottle configurationOriginally posted by Gordonator:i think the water bag of the LBV is useless. water bottles are still the best and more practical. for example, somemore get heat stroke and needs water urgently. with a water bottle we can quickly pour water onto him and let him drink from the bottle very quickly. we definitely won't be able to this with the water bag.
something when those DSTA engineers design something, they must also think whether practical or not mah... -
my camp have them as well. but keep changing the SOP.
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You mean you actually think DSTA engineers designed those things. They just listen to some 'AngMos' marketeers about how if you let soldiers sip water a little bit at a time, can keep them hydrated and therefore no heat stroke.Originally posted by Gordonator:i think the water bag of the LBV is useless. water bottles are still the best and more practical. for example, somemore get heat stroke and needs water urgently. with a water bottle we can quickly pour water onto him and let him drink from the bottle very quickly. we definitely won't be able to this with the water bag.
something when those DSTA engineers design something, they must also think whether practical or not mah...
Then they buy some pieces from the AngMos and ask local vendors to make cheap lookalikes from China. These cheap stuff keeps your ass cool when the bag leaks and water flows down your pants.
I agree with you on the practical aspects. Its great if you are a very busy man, whether cycling, hiking or even working in the office and got no time to stop to take out a bottle or cup. But where got so busy one ?
In colder countries, you don't pour water over your head, but in our local climates, it feels great to have a drink and some water over your head. How to do this with the waterbags ? -
True...but id rather sip out of the waterbag on the move then reach around awkwardly and struggle with the stupid SBO and the rubber band to take out my waterbottle, uncap it, take a gulp and put it back...the water back can hold 3 litres of water btw.Originally posted by KoolKool:You mean you actually think DSTA engineers designed those things. They just listen to some 'AngMos' marketeers about how if you let soldiers sip water a little bit at a time, can keep them hydrated and therefore no heat stroke.
Then they buy some pieces from the AngMos and ask local vendors to make cheap lookalikes from China. These cheap stuff keeps your ass cool when the bag leaks and water flows down your pants.
I agree with you on the practical aspects. Its great if you are a very busy man, whether cycling, hiking or even working in the office and got no time to stop to take out a bottle or cup. But where got so busy one ?
In colder countries, you don't pour water over your head, but in our local climates, it feels great to have a drink and some water over your head. How to do this with the waterbags ? -
Some Unit is Water bag LBV WITH waterbottles. So they are carrying 4 litres in all.Originally posted by Gordonator:i think the water bag of the LBV is useless. water bottles are still the best and more practical. for example, somemore get heat stroke and needs water urgently. with a water bottle we can quickly pour water onto him and let him drink from the bottle very quickly. we definitely won't be able to this with the water bag.
something when those DSTA engineers design something, they must also think whether practical or not mah...
Actually the water bag is an Israeli brand and used by IDF.
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no more water bottles = no more 1 full bottle water parades liao ? ...
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It's one minute water sipping maybe.Originally posted by Fatum:no more water bottles = no more 1 full bottle water parades liao ? ... -
I think it started with the expensive camelbak, then it was an Israeli brand, then it became Taiwan, I think very soon China.Originally posted by Ponders:Some Unit is Water bag LBV WITH waterbottles. So they are carrying 4 litres in all.
Actually the water bag is an Israeli brand and used by IDF.
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The level of resistance to change and anything new (within this forum) sometimes bothers me Â… itÂ’s not often that I feel compelled to chip in my 2c worth but being a Medic and having used camelbaks (and derivatives) almost my whole NSF/NSMen experience I feel I should try to correct some misconceptions here
(Those whoÂ’ve read the SBO thread will remember I usually carry 3-4 litres of water on me using a camelback plus bottles)
Take for instance this comment,“water bottles are still the best and more practical. for example, somemore get heat stroke and needs water urgently. with a water bottle we can quickly pour water onto him and let him drink from the bottle very quickly. we definitely won't be able to this with the water bag.”
This surely is a case of the tail wagging the dog Â… has anyone ever considered that the best way to prevent the above scenario is to prevent heat exhaustion in the first place?
Dehydration is the main cause of Heat Related Casualties. In military operations, dehydration cannot be avoided but itÂ’s severity can be managed. Management of dehydration state involves a strategy of managing limited portaged water and infrequent water resupply.
To cut the medical theory short (read A Commanders Guide to Fluid Intake for more indepth info) ... a sound practice for a soldier is to take frequent sips during operations and then as much as they can during resup phase.
Herein lies the problem with the standard water bottle configuration on older webbing Â… accessibility. Consider a soldier in FBO or a soldier carrying cumbersome/manpacked loads. It is difficult to access the water bottles and as such rehydration usually in large quantities in infrequent intervals (during rest breaks).
A camelback system allows the soldier to rehydrate frequently (every 10-15 minutes) in small quantities (a few or more sips) without having to depend on rest breaks or help to access bottles.
Trust me I know about this from personal experience. Try carrying a stretcher, MOP plus rifle and you tell me how you can access your water easily. 84mm Ammo carriers and MG ammo carriers will also understand the problem.
Basically when youÂ’re limited to your carried water, you want to drink frequently but not so much that youÂ’re pissing it all away. When you have resup, fill up your bottles/bags and then drink as much as you can of whatÂ’s left.
As for the need to splash water quickly on a heat stroke casualty Â…
i) Firstly most camelbaks IÂ’ve used have a very large inlet orifice Â… bigger than even the mouth of a SAF water bottle. The 5 added seconds required to access the water bladder is not life threatening in this instance.
ii) In any case, I can also cut the bloody bag and 1206 him after he recovers … I’m quite sure he’s not gonna quibble over the few ten dollars when his life is at stake.“the worst part of the waterbag is that it is hard to wash! shld some dumbass pours syrup or sugared water in, its difficult to have a good wash as it hard to dry, or impossible.”
And the water bladder is harder to wash compared to water bottles? How so? The opening on the water bladder is usually bigger than a water bottle. Again I use camelbaks pretty extensively both when I mountain bike and during NS/Reservist. I also do put syrup in it, especially for civvy use. I donÂ’t have a problem keeping it clean Â… try running a solution of sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) through it, works wonders.
Nostalgia, familiarity with the known and resistance to learning the new/unknown, can sometimes get in the way of innovations that really do work and in this case can save lives. -
Wasn't the camelbak a limited item?Originally posted by KoolKool:I think it started with the expensive camelbak, then it was an Israeli brand, then it became Taiwan, I think very soon China.
Some of my friends had friends who are storemen from those units using the Camelbak.
Let's just say that unit will not pass the following year's stock audit or LRI. -
i think better buy made-in-china ...... use and throw ...... no need to audit ...... no pilferage.
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Originally posted by Ponders:Wasn't the camelbak a limited item?
Some of my friends had friends who are storemen from those units using the Camelbak.
Let's just say that unit will not pass the following year's stock audit or LRI. -
You underestimate the power of the dark side... I mean Storemen.Originally posted by Ponders:Wasn't the camelbak a limited item?
Some of my friends had friends who are storemen from those units using the Camelbak.
Let's just say that unit will not pass the following year's stock audit or LRI.