Failed Projects

• Ponders

  12 Dec 06, 10:36

  Not sure if we are allowed to discuss this...
  
  but let's talk about SAF's failed projects, initiatives....
  k, some of them did not fail, but rather, did not go as planned.
  
  let me name a few..
  
  1) 11B Cashcard (they did not foresee 5 years expiry and it is not a popular feature of cash card) newer 11Bs are "censored" where the cashcard logo is blacked out.
  
  2) features of 11B not fully utilised (supposed to be the sole card used for logging in and out of computer systems). Implementation to CQ level failed.
  
  3) SAR21.. 7 years after, it did not fully replace the weapons it planned to replace.
  
  
• R3SsH|n

  12 Dec 06, 10:39

  Originally posted by Ponders:

  Not sure if we are allowed to discuss this...
  
  but let's talk about SAF's failed projects, initiatives....
  k, some of them did not fail, but rather, did not go as planned.
  
  3) SAR21.. 7 years after, it did not fully replace the weapons it planned to replace.
  
  

  because they don't know what to do with those weapons that were suppose to be replaced?
• Obersturmfuhrer

  12 Dec 06, 16:12

  What the.....
  
  !@#$%
  
  Gimme back my M4 you twerps!!!
• tarutaru

  12 Dec 06, 20:11

  Pacers in the medical centre supposed to help the MO job but doctors still prefer to write.
• fudgester

  12 Dec 06, 20:24

  Do the SAR-80 and SR-88 rifles count as failed projects?
  
  I heard that Croatia is using those rifles.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAR-80
• Ponders

  13 Dec 06, 08:25

  Originally posted by fudgester:

  Do the SAR-80 and SR-88 rifles count as failed projects?
  
  I heard that Croatia is using those rifles.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAR-80

  i guess technically they are not SAF projects. CIS was tasked to design a rifle according to SAF specs but SAF chose not to adopt it.
  
  
• KoolKool

  13 Dec 06, 11:59

  I have heard about the MILES system, some laser light attachment to the weapon and then clothe the soldiers with sensors.
  
  But I also see paintball, simunition training becoming popular.
  
  I won't term MILES as a failed project, but something that may now be not as relevant with newer gadgets.
  
• SingaporeTyrannosaur

  13 Dec 06, 12:05

  Originally posted by Ponders:

  3) SAR21.. 7 years after, it did not fully replace the weapons it planned to replace.
  
  

  Huh? Relax lah dun overreact. Was it even the SAF's intention to fully replace the M-16 with SAR-21 within 7 years of adopt a look-see, look-see, replace as you go along policy?
  
  At least from my recently-ended NS experience the SAR has become very widespread in the SAF, all frontline combat units are using it now and some mono intakes are not even trained in M-16, using SAR all the way. If it was a truly failed project we would not really bother with keeping it all this while and coming up with so many different versions for export and local use. Given some of the M-16s still have some life in them, I don't think the SAF is in a hurry to phase them out yet, but aim to eventually replace them all with the SAR.
• storm_freaky13

  13 Dec 06, 15:07

  yup i noticed that too... almost all sentries positioned in view of the public are carrying SAR-21s except for PLABs where they use Benelli shotguns
• Tuki

  13 Dec 06, 19:05

  Originally posted by KoolKool:

  I have heard about the MILES system, some laser light attachment to the weapon and then clothe the soldiers with sensors.
  
  But I also see paintball, simunition training becoming popular.
  
  I won't term MILES as a failed project, but something that may now be not as relevant with newer gadgets.
  

  saf using simunitions for training??
• Patrik

  13 Dec 06, 19:12

  Failure to make nsfs interested in National service.
• whitenoise

  13 Dec 06, 19:46

  Originally posted by Patrik:

  Failure to make nsfs interested in National service.

  Haha, that's a no-win for any military in the world.
• SpecOps87

  13 Dec 06, 20:07

  Originally posted by Tuki:

  saf using simunitions for training??

  Certain units only.
• Ponders

  13 Dec 06, 20:21

  Originally posted by storm_freaky13:

  yup i noticed that too... almost all sentries positioned in view of the public are carrying SAR-21s except for PLABs where they use Benelli shotguns

  And CISCO guards. haha
• flash9933

  13 Dec 06, 20:58

  Locally (was it?) mfg AMX-10 tank and APC, first used by 42SAR mono intake back in 1994 ... no news since then ...
  
  
• Obersturmfuhrer

  13 Dec 06, 21:38

  Simunitions?! What simunitions? I tot SAF uses mostly universal rounds?
• dakkon_blackblade

  13 Dec 06, 22:03

  Actually I don't think we should count the SAR-21 as a failure. I've used both M16 and SAR-21 before and in my opinion the SAR-21 is a better weapon in terms of accuracy, balance and handling. The slow progress in implementing its use is perhaps more of a logistical problem or deliberate planning rather than the result of the quality of the weapon itself.
• storm_freaky13

  14 Dec 06, 00:10

  but i think its time for a Mk II for the SAR-21.
  
  with all the feedback from the NSFs and regulars. I honestly believe it will be a good weapon.
• Ponders

  14 Dec 06, 00:59

  Originally posted by storm_freaky13:

  but i think its time for a Mk II for the SAR-21.
  
  with all the feedback from the NSFs and regulars. I honestly believe it will be a good weapon.

  Think if you strictly want to follow the modification made so far.. i think SAR-21 now is like Mk X now. haha
  
  the changes i known so far...
  
  1) coating of lense
  2) fin type emergency sights to pin type.
  3) Zytel polymer to Durathane
  4) Sling buckle
  5) deflector