just my reflections after 2 weeks
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I wouldn't see it quite that ...Originally posted by LazerLordz:Believe me, idealism is something that is nice to have in the SAF, but the organisation suffers no idealist, nor contemplative souls. I learnt that the hard way. However, it didn't mean that I had to throw those things away. It's about channeling your strengths to deal with the issues you face.
but the process weeds out those who pay lip service to idealism and those who have the intestinal fortitude to carry it through eh ....
so many people see kitkat bars and stripes as a walk in the park and a nice entry to their resume ... they like the idea of leading men (okay, more like bossing people around), without wanting to pay for the price of that ...
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It's all about mentality and your approach towards things dude.
When i was bmt (nearly 3 years ago) i felt lousy sometimes too. Kana pump and pump and pump until you can cry and do diamond push-ups at the same time. But you have the right mindset of "it will all come to an end". And it does.
So in the meantime, enjoy what you can and make the best out of things. And don't worry about unit life, i know i love mine like hell
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alternatively, u can talk to ur OO if u really cant cope...
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haha. i agree. take a look at say Russia or Korea. Man they have it tough.Originally posted by sir sickolot II:your england is not too shabby yea, letterbox mind
Although it's true some are not and will never adjust well to military life and regimentation, one should still hold on and do their part. Unless you are medically unfit, then you should downgrade. To find means and ways to skive often is a bad reflection of one's character and moral standing. of course this sounds very idealistic, but i think we sg people should look beyond what the nation can do for you.
On a side note, SAF is making more room for creativity and so called idealist. Though change is at a glacial pace, it's something at least! Be happy we're not in armies that follow a strict line of decorum and regimentation.
I've seen some videos of russian ncos boot kicking recruits as PART of training! lol. -
Was he the one who wanted to get in OCS or something?Originally posted by LazerLordz:TS, I look at what you wrote and I'm chuckling.
That's because I'm looking back in time. Don't worry about the petty things in BMT. You can internalise certain positive values, and let the rest slide off you like teflon. -
Eh, that stooky finally banned and recloned as this fella issit?Originally posted by STUU:ya, i ish neber born to be a soldier.. i ish dun rike army wan...
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yaOriginally posted by LetterboxMind:Eh, that stooky finally banned and recloned as this fella issit?
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I'd kick you into the drain if you don't behave yourself. Seriously, is it so hard?Originally posted by STUU:ya
Why make others poke fun at you online by posting all those crap? Start afresh and gain some respect yeah. -
It's not about leadership that I was referring to, it was about being an idealist and thinking that one could make a difference.Originally posted by Fatum:I wouldn't see it quite that ...
but the process weeds out those who pay lip service to idealism and those who have the intestinal fortitude to carry it through eh ....
so many people see kitkat bars and stripes as a walk in the park and a nice entry to their resume ... they like the idea of leading men (okay, more like bossing people around), without wanting to pay for the price of that ...
it's nice that the process weeds out those people ...
Sometimes, the very little that you accomplish, is enough. You don't have to dream that big, after all, we're just NSFs/NSmen.. -
6 months ah?Originally posted by Fatshort:Hey recruits, you still have 102 weeks to go.. life outside BMT is more different. dont reflect too soon..
like you say, they will come to an end.. like me.. 6 months to ORD..
Hmm, I got only 20 working days in the Army left till ORD..
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but wat i post ish not crap. i ish rike tat wan....Originally posted by LazerLordz:I'd kick you into the drain if you don't behave yourself. Seriously, is it so hard?
Why make others poke fun at you online by posting all those crap? Start afresh and gain some respect yeah. -
Wahh stooky...heard you do some lanjiao taiji on HWZ forums...now still want to come here and crap...Originally posted by STUU:but wat i post ish not crap. i ish rike tat wan.... -
don't bluff yourself kid. everyone knows full well all your postings are crap. i find it annoying that despite making a fool out of yourself and being so unwelcomed here u still got the cheeks to show your face here.Originally posted by STUU:but wat i post ish not crap. i ish rike tat wan....
sick and tired of u and your clones hijacking other people's threads (like this one) and leading people to go off topic cos of all those flamings.
the only reason i can think of is that u get a kick out of people flaming u. u are deliberately intended on trolling cos normally people will change their behaviour if they are told to. don't play dumb with us, don't think we don't know who u really are...
if u still have some sense left in u, common sense, please leave and never come back. -
Wa lao... 2 weeks only and u give it a death sentence! You judge too quickly. SAF does have it's merit. Go talk to those who have gone through SAF and you may realise that those who go through positively will gain from it and these ppl often do also look forward to the reservist period. Go through it negatively and u will just waste 2.5 yrs of your life!Originally posted by Classicist:BMT's first 2 weeks have been a pain. Or maybe its the change in the type of life, sigh. The regimentation, and the facades that you sometimes have to put up to get along with your bunk mates, and sometimes the age difference of more than 5 years have been problems that i've encountered. it is as if recruits are only allowed to feel these simple emotions of pain, happiness and fear. a feeling's worth more than dogs. in the end, you end up more ignorant of the real world outside, learning so called life skills, which if so properly indoctrinated, why are these sergeants who sign up end up so CMI in the real world?
i know thousands have been through it, but i can foresee army scarring me psychologically and mentally for the rest of my life already. you may survive biologically without doubt, but you may change forever. a part of yourself is missing...vulgarities commonplace, doing things out of fear and not pride, the senseless regimentation, which, ironically makes me lazier in the civilian world.
Sigh, why does SAF run on a system of fear, and not the inherent motivation for soldiers to perform out of pride...pain. pain.
The only thing that comforts me is that all these things will come to an end. Like they always will.
just my reflections after 2 weeks.
As u grow up, u will realise that life is harsh and not a bed of roses. Life is also not about individualism but is mainly about group and community. There is always the contradiction that what u want may not be what the group wants and it is usually the leader who dictates the direction and goals. The position of a follower and that of a leader is also very different. If you want the army to be what u think should be, then u must be a leader (a small one at least) in the organisation and u got to prove yourself to be one with qualities that the organisation wants. If you do not aspire to be a leader in that organisation, you will have to FIT IN as a follower. You can be a good follower or a bad follower. A bad follower in army gets punished often and he will not be a happy one. This is in general is the principal with which I believe is how most organisations function.
Of course the values and goals with which in organisation looks for can be vastly different because these are what that will bring it to meet it's goals better. U are intelligent and surely know what are the goals and values in the army. The fear and regimentation is not senseless and has a strong purpose of instilling strong discipline. The pain is necessary for training of great endurance. And pride will come when there is a achievement together.
In any case, I am sure u will go through and perhaps may even be the officer u want to be because I think u already got 1 trait of a leader and that's the ability to analyse. But that is just one trait and with which u have to further use in analysing the situation during training. Of course, there are also several more impt ones that determines whether u can be a officer. -
maybe 1st two weeks is hard to adapt,honestly i also felt hard to adapt durning the confinement week.but after getting to know my bunkmates well,I start to get used to it.
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Its normal to feel that way. We have all been pampered so much that when we are treated the way we are in the Army, we think its going to be scarred for the rest of our lives.Originally posted by Classicist:BMT's first 2 weeks have been a pain. Or maybe its the change in the type of life, sigh. The regimentation, and the facades that you sometimes have to put up to get along with your bunk mates, and sometimes the age difference of more than 5 years have been problems that i've encountered. it is as if recruits are only allowed to feel these simple emotions of pain, happiness and fear. a feeling's worth more than dogs. in the end, you end up more ignorant of the real world outside, learning so called life skills, which if so properly indoctrinated, why are these sergeants who sign up end up so CMI in the real world?
i know thousands have been through it, but i can foresee army scarring me psychologically and mentally for the rest of my life already. you may survive biologically without doubt, but you may change forever. a part of yourself is missing...vulgarities commonplace, doing things out of fear and not pride, the senseless regimentation, which, ironically makes me lazier in the civilian world.
Sigh, why does SAF run on a system of fear, and not the inherent motivation for soldiers to perform out of pride...pain. pain.
The only thing that comforts me is that all these things will come to an end. Like they always will.
just my reflections after 2 weeks.
Thing is, the sooner u realise the Army is not a holiday camp, the faster u will adjust. Of course it is tough. But then again, there are thousands others who are serving like u, and they are going through the same thing. And the thing about doing things out of fear and not pride? Since when have we done things because we are proud of it? Do u go to school because u feel proud to study? Do u work because u feel proud to work? Of course NOT. You do all these out of necessity. Its call life, and u have to go through these as part of life.
I, like u, was apprenhensive about Army initially. I wonder why guys must do NS, why must I be born in Singapore. But then after u finish these 2 years, u will realise that although u may not have gained much out of it, but at least your 2 years was not a complete waste. You learn much about life, how different things operate. Trust me, when u finish NS, and u go on to work/study, u will find urself talk about NS life quite often, and when u talk about something so often, that's often because its a pleasant one. -
too bad TS not born a white horse
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stooky, if i ever see you one day, be assured i will phucking kick your yellow ass.Originally posted by STUU:too bad TS not born a white horse -
my advice is simple. when faced with difficulties, what will u rather do? overcome it? or do u prefer to whine about it, give up and run away friom it?
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ur PAIN PAIN PAIN.... remind me of.....Originally posted by Classicist:..............senseless regimentation, which, ironically makes me lazier in the civilian world.
Sigh, why does SAF run on a system of fear, and not the inherent motivation for soldiers to perform out of pride...pain. pain.
The only thing that comforts me is that all these things will come to an end. Like they always will.
just my reflections after 2 weeks.
U.S Diver trainning wing, with fu.cking big and kiasu SLOGON....
WELCOME TO THE HOUSE OF PAIN
bro, look thing at the bright side, the 2 or 2 and the half yr.... sometime can change a man, yes... change a man!!! to BE A BETTER MAN! (I KNOW SOME OF U DONT AGREE! BUT, we cant denied that, most of us, after NS....we will know whats SIONG, and physically and mentally will be tougher)
dont worrie and dont think too much, just try your best
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I think you might have to take a queue number for that.Originally posted by Hellraiza:stooky, if i ever see you one day, be assured i will phucking kick your yellow ass. -
I hated my BMT life. All thanks to my PS and Bunk Mate. Shitty comrades I got there. But I Like iT in OCS. Although it is about 500% tougher then BMT, I enjoy the trainings so far. When I started to feel very down, I will be thinking of the honor of becoming a commander and lead my man to excel.
From all my previous whiny thread, I beleive u guys cant believe that I volunteer myself the first week to be the Company IC trainee right?
But I've done it