Some senseless/archaic/draconian practices of SAF.
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As you know our the years, personnel in SAF have came out with unofficial methods of doing things that does not follow the original intentions of the G1-6 Army.
Let's compile a few things, some of them have been phased out but i would still compile them...
1 ) Issued toothpaste and soap cannot be used but is only for wayang (mostly phased out)
2 ) Kiwi is to make anything black remain black, e.g. rifles, etc. (mostly phased out in Battalions)
3 ) Using bayonet to pry open M-16 holder.
4 ) helmets in bunk must face down rested on SBO (still practiced, i find this encouraging the growth of fungus)
5 ) no sugared water in bottle (still makes sense to me)
6 ) SAF powder wards off insects (BIG myth)
7) if M16 release pin is jammed, knock the rifle on the ground simultaneously pushing the pin out. (works, but there are more gentle ways)
8 ) SAR 21 no need to be zeroed (biggest myth of all times) -
Crayons for camo.
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regarding point no.2, if we aren't supposed to use kiwi then what are we supposed to use, if the rifle is all filthy?Originally posted by Ponders:As you know our the years, personnel in SAF have came out with unofficial methods of doing things that does not follow the original intentions of the G1-6 Army.
Let's compile a few things, some of them have been phased out but i woul dstill compile them...
1 ) Issued toothpaste and soap cannot be used but is only for wayang (mostly phased out)
2 ) Kiwi is to make anything black remain black, e.g. rifles, etc. (mostly phased out in Battalions)
3 ) Using bayonet to pry open M-16 holder. (
4 ) hmm. i stop here for now.. i need do something.... brb.. -
the rifle being dirty just clean it lor. we don't need cosmetics to upkeep the rifles.....Originally posted by Hellraiza:regarding point no.2, if we aren't supposed to use kiwi then what are we supposed to use, if the rifle is all filthy?
oh and who wants to talk about the useless stand by cupboard/universe? -
When I was in unit and the standby cupboard/bed thing wasn't practised in the sergeant's bunk, the bunk became a disgrace, dirty and disgusting, same went for the toilet.Originally posted by hisoka:the rifle being dirty just clean it lor. we don't need cosmetics to upkeep the rifles.....
oh and who wants to talk about the useless stand by cupboard/universe? -
Originally posted by ditzy:When I was in unit and the standby cupboard/bed thing wasn't practised in the sergeant's bunk, the bunk became a disgrace, dirty and disgusting, same went for the toilet.
well i suppose minimum standards of hygiene to the occupants comfort. but the position and type of items needed is just dumb. -
something which i always don't understand. why must one march to the toilet during range? (mainly for BMT)
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Kiwi spoils the CLP preservative on the rifle. The butt can be cleaned with a damp cloth. Rest of the rifle, just wipe clean the exterior after cleaning the mechanisms/parts and lightly oil with a coat of Break-Free CLP.Originally posted by Hellraiza:regarding point no.2, if we aren't supposed to use kiwi then what are we supposed to use, if the rifle is all filthy? -
last time old range toilet not like now, SAFETY , just in case many or next detail take their own sweet time jalan song song till toiletOriginally posted by Gordonator:something which i always don't understand. why must one march to the toilet during range? (mainly for BMT) -
Some senseless/archaic/draconian practices of SAF? Here's some:
1. Head-dress must ALWAYS be worn when you are outside a building. However, some open spaces have overhead shelters that "technically" are not part of a building. Soldiers get penalised when they use these shelters without head-dress.
2. (Especially popular in BMT) Before knocking down, soldiers have to raise their right fist into the air while simultaneously shouting the name of their company/formation/unit.
3. Tucking in shirt when booking in or booking out of camp. What's the point when soldiers book out tucked in, but tuck out IMMEDIATELY after exiting the gate?
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sorry i don't understand.Originally posted by zaxis:last time old range toilet not like now, SAFETY , just in case many or next detail take their own sweet time jalan song song till toilet
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i always dun tuck in one when booking in and out in CVOriginally posted by LetterboxMind:Some senseless/archaic/draconian practices of SAF? Here's some:
3. Tucking in shirt when booking in or booking out of camp. What's the point when soldiers book out tucked in, but tuck out IMMEDIATELY after exiting the gate?
...more to come...
hmmm, no sure about this 1:
the RSAF PT shirt, collar for WO/Offr and roundneck for Spec/nsf -
IT actually during BMT, better control of physical movement, also as there are other company which may be in the same range area, look better.Originally posted by Gordonator:sorry i don't understand.
but BMT people will not be more agressive, during ICT we also march from point to point but those slacky type of march, Esprit De corp something like that la.
and on one range we manage to clear the day ATP plus in time to con't night ATP, so in the end 2 days off , while other company con't their ATP.
also plus our company failure joint other company ATP session.
so all in all
marching during range is another way to made sure no soldier walk any how any where. -
During my NSF days, i also wear the collar RSAF shirt around the air base despite i m a CPL..... nothing happened!!!!! either they close one eye or they really thing i m an officerOriginally posted by martin_lim85:i always dun tuck in one when booking in and out in CV
hmmm, no sure about this 1:
the RSAF PT shirt, collar for WO/Offr and roundneck for Spec/nsf
even my RSM din say anything!!!! -
the RP or guards never tell u off for not tuck in meh??? u not scared RSM or CSM see u no tuck in? later kenna caught will tio extra......Originally posted by martin_lim85:i always dun tuck in one when booking in and out in CV
hmmm, no sure about this 1:
the RSAF PT shirt, collar for WO/Offr and roundneck for Spec/nsf -
oh i see. thanks for the info.Originally posted by zaxis:so all in all
marching during range is another way to made sure no soldier walk any how any where. -
What? Helmet can be placed on the floor next to the SBO. At least that's what I've been taught.Originally posted by Ponders:4 ) helmets in bunk must face down rested on SBO (still practiced, i find this encouraging the growth of fungus)
But then again I am using the new LBV so maybe different. -
we were taught to always place our helmets face down anywhere cos the paint coating on the outer surface chips easily .....
I didn't always follow and my helmet's got a "med" on the top liao ... -
oh ya, bmtc always have this rule. permstaffs who are 3SG and above must wear collar tee and round neck tee for those below.Originally posted by martin_lim85:i always dun tuck in one when booking in and out in CV
hmmm, no sure about this 1:
the RSAF PT shirt, collar for WO/Offr and roundneck for Spec/nsf
see no purpose. -
A lot of things that were mentioned, are meant to instill a sense of discipline; i.e. stand by cupboard/bed. Notice that doesn't happen as much once you turn operational?
The stupid punch the air, yell out the formation / unit name before doing the push-ups is meant to encourage espirit-de-corps. Of course associating the formation / unit with being punished probably has the exact opposite effect for most people. -
The above points you mentioned are usually up to RSM to decide. Usually its formation or CCO level.Originally posted by LetterboxMind:Some senseless/archaic/draconian practices of SAF? Here's some:
1. Head-dress must ALWAYS be worn when you are outside a building. However, some open spaces have overhead shelters that "technically" are not part of a building. Soldiers get penalised when they use these shelters without head-dress.
2. (Especially popular in BMT) Before knocking down, soldiers have to raise their right fist into the air while simultaneously shouting the name of their company/formation/unit.
3. Tucking in shirt when booking in or booking out of camp. What's the point when soldiers book out tucked in, but tuck out IMMEDIATELY after exiting the gate?
...more to come... Take the guards camp in bedok for example, they don't have to tuck in shirt and can wear shorts in and out somemore. How cool is that? Compared to sungei gedong, wtf?!?! -
Actually Bedok camp either you are refering to current practices or you are refering to 11th Mono and before.Originally posted by ditzy:The above points you mentioned are usually up to RSM to decide. Usually its formation or CCO level. Take the guards camp in bedok for example, they don't have to tuck in shirt and can wear shorts in and out somemore. How cool is that? Compared to sungei gedong, wtf?!?!
Because 12th Mono.. the 7BDE BSM is very strict about attire, he actually charged one of my friend wearing sandals (SAF ones) booking out. -
no lahmy Chief WO never say, then my RSM there no more liaoOriginally posted by STUU:the RP or guards never tell u off for not tuck in meh??? u not scared RSM or CSM see u no tuck in? later kenna caught will tio extra......