Originally posted by ldffollower76:The MES formation of the Army has got four primary bases with many other front line nodes where technicians are being posted to. I thin the biggest of them all is easily 9 AMB which is where i'm from.
The SAF engages civilian towing service to tow or tactical vehicles for very practical reason. These guys are more pro and more knowledgeble. Furthermore by out sourcing the towing duties to the civilians like Joo Keong, we actually free up our chaps for the more important task of maintaining the vehicles for use by the OPS people.
It is common knowledge to all who has serve in the SAF that the vehicles are in a very bad shape but as a technician from 9 AMB, i would like to post questions to regular on this forum and please give it a thinker.
! ) As the end user of the vehicle, did you ever take personal pride and responsibility for the servicability of the vehicle? There are so many times that when i attended to recovery call for supposingly vehicle breakdown in training area, the faults are very often because vehicle commander BO CHAP!!! Before every driver mover out for detail, it is not only the duty of the MTO but also the one who indent the vehicle to ensure that teh driver excutes the FPT. But touch our heart, how many of us does that?
2 ) When the vehicle goes out for training, vehicle commanders are to help the driver navigate in close terrian. But on the ground how many people are actually doing that? When vehicle break down and send to workshop, what happen? The end user will ALWAYS complain the technicians not doing their job!!!!!! Try putting on the SAF gree overall for 6 months and you tell me who is not working!!!!
3 ) after every detail, you as the end user, do you ensure that the driver washes his vehicle before returning to the MTL? Driver never like to book in their vehicle to me for repair because i will always reject them. Why? Vehicle coated with mud, no fuel, battery flat and the list goes on. YOu may say that it is my job to repair the vehicle but let me ask all the combatant this question.
When you guys are not on training, what you guys do? Wear Admin and jalan jalan the camp right? Did it ever ocuur to you that there is always this group of people in camp clearing your shit!!! When will you ever see technicians wearing admin jalan jalan in camp. ONly when we are reporting sick or after HLS.
If you don't ensure that the driver wash the vehicle and top up after every detail, how are we military technical inspector going to conduct a meaningful and proper technical inspection of the vehicle? Try goin under a vehicle with the under carriage all cake with mud and you are suppose to either carry out inspection, repair or servicing and all you see is mud. with every turn of the socket wrench, sand and soil gets into your eyes even though you are wearing glasses. Tell me how you feel?
To all combatant in this forum, please do remember that everybody in the unit is important. we need you to be safe from enemy fires but please DO REMEMBER that if the logistic support screw up, YOU guys are just sitting ducks waiting to be slaughtered!!!!!!!
PASV? Are you also a fellow tech?Originally posted by LazerLordz:There is a lot of truth in the above post.
Anyway, just curious, what's your experience like on PASV?
Originally posted by ldffollower76:I'm Armament trained but was doing some LMIS work for PASV during NS.
PASV? Are you also a fellow tech?
PASV is simply a [b]BIG wazte of time and money. I remember when i was in XX GDS, under my holdin other than the organic fleet, i also have to monitor the status of the vehicles to be ETO out for PASV. In total, i am holding a total of 3 batallions worth of soft skin vehicle and i have only 2 men to assist me(LAT Concept).
PASV will be good only when the TLAs and the MAC sincerely do their part in the annual or schedule inspection and repair. If not, all the PASV will turn out to be another major headache for the SAF in the future.
Also, the amount of time, space and money spent on PASVing those so called vehicles are, in my view, thron into the drain if you know what i mean.
In short, PASV sucks!!!!!![/b]
Then you might as well suggest that we out source the defence of the country to contractors!!Originally posted by KoolKool:do you wash your civilian car just before sending to the workshop ? My workshop accepts cars in any conditions, but makes sure they are washed and vacuumed before returning to the owner.
our children are brought up in this mode. why not have an automatic truckwash at 9AMB, or subcontract the washing.
Originally posted by ldffollower76:I actually disagreed with the initial FMW/CMW concept of cutting manpower and having zonal centers handle more equipment maint. responsibilities.We are not building an adequate organic military engineering force, and relying too much on contractors too.
[b]Then you might as well suggest that we out source the defence of the country to contractors!![/b]
Not all scope of work though.Originally posted by Ponders:Correct me if i am wrong..
I think 5 tonners are maintained by Singapore technologies.
their maintenance is done thru a laptop.
and the work is done by ST ppl.
What to do? DY CMEO thinks that it is a fantastic idea.Originally posted by LazerLordz:I actually disagreed with the initial FMW/CMW concept of cutting manpower and having zonal centers handle more equipment maint. responsibilities.We are not building an adequate organic military engineering force, and relying too much on contractors too.
FMW as a concept is fine, it is the manpower requirement that is needed, and strengthening of the linkages between them and the AMBs/MES too.Originally posted by ldffollower76:What to do? DY CMEO thinks that it is a fantastic idea.
I have heard of guys saying that they were rebuked by COL Ng Tiong LEE during their end of service interview when they complained about the FMW concept.
Well my turn comng soon and i'm going to give him a piece of my mind!!
ROD loh!!!!!!!
when book in to base or indeco, and VOR not word worthy then bo bian have to tow lor....Originally posted by Rooky:i saw a 3 tonner being towed by a private towtruck this morning
Originally posted by ldffollower76:There are already so many things that have been outsourced. So, what's wrong with me suggesting outsourcing one more item, which can greatly improve the quality of lives for drivers and technicians ? Its not even outsourcing if an automatic vehicle wash can be built.
[b]Then you might as well suggest that we out source the defence of the country to contractors!![/b]
I don't see a problem that SAF tonners enroute a washing station on the way back to camp after an exercise in the field, as part of the operating procedure.I see problem.
whats vor? is it vehicle on repair?Originally posted by ^tamago^:when book in to base or indeco, and VOR not word worthy then bo bian have to tow lor....
another case is condemn vehicles..... a base usually gets to see civilian tow truck once or twice a month....
Vehicle Off RoadOriginally posted by stooki:whats vor? is it vehicle on repair?
Originally posted by KoolKool:Firstly let me qualify my stand as a technician. Mud stuck on under carriages hinder inspection process and definetly sure the repair processs, why? When we goes under carriage to conduct inspection, we are to look out for symptons suck as oil seepages, etc etc. when the under carriage is caked in mud, the mud ACTUALLY soaks up the mud. it is true that after repair, vehicles gets all dirty and oily. BUT please allow me to enlighten your limited knowledge on the SOP of technicians. In accordance with ISO 9001 and ISO 9002, all repaired vehicles are to be QC before it is returned to the end users. The QC inspector other than ensuring that all detected faults are rectified, it is also his duty to ensure that the technicians repairing the vehicle wash the vehicle before sending it for QC.
There are already so many things that have been outsourced. So, what's wrong with me suggesting outsourcing one more item, which can greatly improve the quality of lives for drivers and technicians ? Its not even outsourcing if an [b]automatic vehicle wash can be built.
If you think this is not constructive suggestion, maybe you have something better other than insisting the drivers to do it. I understand your frustration over mud, but do you understand the drivers' frustrations ? Is it an issue that you are not equipped properly with a goggle instead ?
You are looking only from your point of view as a technician and you think that drivers are not doing their part. And you know what the driver thinks ? Wtf, the technician is going to make the vehicle so oily and dirty after the repairs, that they might as well do a proper wash after, than before, sending to the workshop.
What about civil requisition ? Do you expect the civil resource owners to wash their vehicles so SAF can inspect and accept them ?
I don't see a problem that SAF tonners enroute a washing station on the way back to camp after an exercise in the field, as part of the operating procedure.
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Well it takes SAF ages to impliment something so i think the changing of the land rover would take yearsOriginally posted by Chelzea:when e hell SAF gonna scrap landrovers man 2 yrs overdue alreadi e gearbox is farked up
arent called greese monkeys for no reasonOriginally posted by student 17:In a nutshell, SAF military vehicles are maintained mostly by NSF/Regular Technicans. The work done includes servicing and minor(alternator/ weak battery) and serious repairs(Clutch slip, gearbox, engine overhaul) In the rare event of a serious fault(7 ton windscreen cracked etc.), then the vehicles may be refered to STK or in the worst case scenario condemned.
A A/B/C Veh technican's job is the most unenviable jobs among non-combatants vocations. They work the most OTs in order to maintain high rates of TAT and EAR and get very dirty.
The replacements are in already. Now i think they are under going retrofitting. But not the whole fleet of LR will be replaced though. Only those wuper old ones or badly damaged in accidents ones.Originally posted by Chelzea:when e hell SAF gonna scrap landrovers man 2 yrs overdue alreadi e gearbox is farked up
Have they bought any new vehicles recently?Originally posted by ldffollower76:The replacements are in already. Now i think they are under going retrofitting. But not the whole fleet of LR will be replaced though. Only those wuper old ones or badly damaged in accidents ones.
Cheers!!
when was that?Originally posted by mhcampboy:Have they bought any new vehicles recently?
When i was still in service, i followed G4 to meet up with CSTO. They thinking of buying new ford jeeps and pick ups.....
but they test drive it... and it got thumbs down...
i think.. late 05 or early 06. forgot exactly when...Originally posted by ldffollower76:when was that?
I have went through a few rounds of vehicle pocurement...
i heard e whole fleet wld b replaced but knowing SAF ,it wld take a incredible amt of timeOriginally posted by ldffollower76:The replacements are in already. Now i think they are under going retrofitting. But not the whole fleet of LR will be replaced though. Only those wuper old ones or badly damaged in accidents ones.
Cheers!!