BMT School 2 Passing Off Parade
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Must be xin jiao rite? Take it easy man...Originally posted by tt3:i kena arrowed 2 teach my whole company... nb..
I never kenna before, but everytime games day I kenna arrow to be tug of war IC, after one batch where my coy got in first where I was involved... sian man.gone were the days of BMT whereby one must
By the time I was recruit in June 2004 it was:
pass IPPT to pass out
pass SOC (if not, block leave must come back retake)
pass Range (shoot until u pass on the last day)
3 weeks of confinement
7 days of fieldcamp whereby u really stay outfield for the whole 7 days without going back to bunk.
go for 24km route march the night before your POP at 9pm unitl 4/5am in the morning.
carries garang looking duffel bag instead of sissy looking ones with wheels.
go all the way back to tekong after block leave just to get your uit posting.
recuit pay is only $350.
no need to pass IPPT (but block leave must come back retake)
no need to pass SOC (but block leave threatened also)
range try to pass, if not keep reshooting... if not join other company... is not your sar-geant "magic pen" until you pass to maintain BMTC ISO 9000
3 week confinement
Still 7 day full outfield.
24 km route march from 8pm-4am, rest few hours, then POP lohhhh....
One of the first batchs to use duffel bag... I don't mind it, because it's really a more pratical way to carry your kit. Dun have to dig all the way into your bag to retrieve an item at the bottom.
Internet posting liao!
Pay still $350 leh!
Can throw and beat up commanders (but dun get caught).
2 years, 2 months NS liability.
When I became an instructor and in the time of my recruits in late 2005-mid 2006 it was:
No need to pass IPPT, go next unit and carry on.
"Introduction" to SOC, passing desirable but not necessary
range sure pass one, thanks to SAF's magic pen system (for the really hopeless).
2 week confinement (more like 1.5 weeks actually)
Same 7 day outfield leh, the ones that go back to bunk are the PES C and like, PES A, B batches still do the full field camp.
24 click route march starts early, ends early. 4pm-12am, book out for weekend to bring back stuff then book back in to POP (I don't really mind because my recruits usually buy back a lot of food to share with us as a farewell gift )
Smart 4 new standard is 4 fingers above the elbow (aka. what was once considered the @#$% 4)... er xing man...
Internet Posting
Pay still $350.
Infantry Roar
Cannot throw or beat up commanders (or at least don't let RSM see)
2 year NS, shorter BMT and other courses as well.
I heard now it's even more different... -
The "INFANTRY ROAR"?!?! That is gayer than a gay thing that is gay!Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:...
That "Infantry Roar" was cooked up by the top brass of 9 Div and they passed the order down for it to be taught to all of 9 Div... something about morale and team building... yeah rite. When I see the top brass doing it I might be more convinced... heh.
I was a BMTC instructor and we suck thumb had to teach our recruits that routine. Wait till you try teaching your recruits that and have to demo also... one of the duties we all tried to arrow around.
Ah those were the times... can't believe it was only last year. And I can't believe they more or less banned commander-tossing-by-recruits... it was a time to be apperciated by your recruits or tortured if you were a real ass during their BMT.
I bet that was thought up by an officer who:
1. Came through one of the JCs, and/or
2. Graduated from a Local university.
The passing out parade is supposed to be a matter of pride and/or occasion of relief. It should be either sombre and characterized by pomp, tradition and ceremony (proper parade, proper marching), or it should be one of those Ops-ready parade type things (Make them form up in FBO straight after the 24km march muddy boots be damned), or a mixture of both (the old system). -
This is what I hope to see in Future:
Option to either pass IPPT or perform a dance routine.
No more SOC
1 week confinement
7days outfield. However, return to bunk at night.
2.4km route march
Use Prada bag -
damn, the old army i used to know dun exist anymore.
damn, going in, in a few mths and it's getting more and more 'gay'....
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ns reduce to 1 1/2 yrs or 1 yrOriginally posted by shade343:This is what I hope to see in Future:
Option to either pass IPPT or perform a dance routine.
No more SOC
1 week confinement
7days outfield. However, return to bunk at night.
2.4km route march
Use Prada bag
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all rejected! what is the purpose of outfield when u get to return to bunk at night?Originally posted by shade343:This is what I hope to see in Future:
Option to either pass IPPT or perform a dance routine.
No more SOC
1 week confinement
7days outfield. However, return to bunk at night.
2.4km route march
Use Prada bag
my fieldcamp rained 5 out of the 7 days. some in the night as well. we didn't get to go back to bunk for a single night. i don't mind since that should be the way fieldcamp should be. -
totally agree....Originally posted by scabstermooch:The "INFANTRY ROAR"?!?! That is gayer than a gay thing that is gay!
I bet that was thought up by an officer who:
1. Came through one of the JCs, and/or
2. Graduated from a Local university.
The passing out parade is supposed to be a matter of pride and/or occasion of relief. It should be either sombre and characterized by pomp, tradition and ceremony (proper parade, proper marching), or it should be one of those Ops-ready parade type things (Make them form up in FBO straight after the 24km march muddy boots be damned), or a mixture of both (the old system). -
you miss the low pay, confinement and going back to tekong for nothing?Originally posted by Gordonator:gone were the days of BMT whereby one must
[*] pass IPPT to pass out
[*] pass SOC (if not, block leave must come back retake)
[*] pass Range (shoot until u pass on the last day)
[*] 3 weeks of confinement
[*] 7 days of fieldcamp whereby u really stay outfield for the whole 7 days without going back to bunk.
[*] go for 24km route march the night before your POP at 9pm unitl 4/5am in the morning.
[*] carries garang looking duffel bag instead of sissy looking ones with wheels.
[*] go all the way back to tekong after block leave just to get your uit posting.
[*] recuit pay is only $350.
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no. ther're just examples to show the huge contrast below then and now.Originally posted by hisoka:you miss the low pay, confinement and going back to tekong for nothing? -
Honestly this is not the way to pass out of bmt. The fun and laughter can wait until after the parade is dismissed. It should be dignified and humbling, with the CO saying some inspirational bullshit about how they've grown and blah blah blah. At least that impresses the public more.
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Too bad this is 9Div... what's up with it anyway? A large number of those recruits are not going to be 9Div in the end anyway...
Seen the 7SIB POP for mono intake? It's more on the ball leh... -
Ignoring the pay issue, I believe that if you want our NSmen to take their jobs seriously, then you must train them properly.Originally posted by hisoka:you miss the low pay, confinement and going back to tekong for nothing?
Otherwise, we might soon fall to these standards: http://www.quick2load.com/view_video.php?viewkey=53058db75714ac400b58 -
I did mine in 2001. This was the standard back then:
[*] pass IPPT to pass out (COMPULSORY)
[*] pass SOC (Not compulsory. Just keep doing if fail, even during block leave.)
[*] pass Range (COMPULSORY)
[*] 3 weeks of confinement (STANDARD)
[*] 7 days of fieldcamp whereby u really stay outfield for the whole 7 days without going back to bunk. (During my batch, the CO of BMTC 2 decided to try a 10 day field camp not inclusive of SIT Test. Meaning plus SIT Test = roughly 13 days of outfield. I remember burning weekends during BMT.)
[*] go for 24km route march the night before your POP at 9pm unitl 4/5am in the morning. (Ours started in the morning around 5am. POP was in the afternoon)
[*] carries garang looking duffel bag instead of sissy looking ones with wheels. (Standard)
[*] go all the way back to tekong after block leave just to get your uit posting. (Standard)
[*] recuit pay is only $350. (Don't think mine was $350. Think less) -
At least there were some standards then. Today, the recruits only need to "Brrr-ing IT!" (spoken like a balck female and with a suitable shake of the head).
By the time these batch of senior officers leave, and the next batch comes in, BCCT will probably be abolished and be replaced with lessons on how to do the Splits, how to pirouette, and how to prance around on a skin-tight leotard without looking like a fool etc.
Everyone wants to leave their legacy. Problem is there is no one to tell these untalented fools to wind their neck in and do their jobs properly. -
who nids to clear obstacles when our guys over at dsta invents some jetpack.
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My eyes..Originally posted by scabstermooch:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGD_jhWZGfI
Feck me! I didn't know we were training cheerleaders!
Oh well..you live and learn. -
I guessed time has changed already. I bet all the things mentioned above is no longer a requirement to pass cause parents have complained.Originally posted by LetterboxMind:I did mine in 2001. This was the standard back then:
[*] pass IPPT to pass out (COMPULSORY)
[*] pass SOC (Not compulsory. Just keep doing if fail, even during block leave.)
[*] pass Range (COMPULSORY)
[*] 3 weeks of confinement (STANDARD)
[*] 7 days of fieldcamp whereby u really stay outfield for the whole 7 days without going back to bunk. (During my batch, the CO of BMTC 2 decided to try a 10 day field camp not inclusive of SIT Test. Meaning plus SIT Test = roughly 13 days of outfield. I remember burning weekends during BMT.)
[*] go for 24km route march the night before your POP at 9pm unitl 4/5am in the morning. (Ours started in the morning around 5am. POP was in the afternoon)
[*] carries garang looking duffel bag instead of sissy looking ones with wheels. (Standard)
[*] go all the way back to tekong after block leave just to get your uit posting. (Standard)
[*] recuit pay is only $350. (Don't think mine was $350. Think less)
How parents came to know? The servicemen complained to their parents.
I used to have a colleauge asked to do leopard crawl by his sergeant in
BMTC. He cannot take it n asked his parents to complain to BMTC higher
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Originally posted by kwlee:who nids to clear obstacles when our guys over at dsta invents some jetpack.
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I guessed time has changed already. I bet all the things mentioned above is no longer a requirement to pass cause parents have complained.
Looks like every old generation has something to say about the newer batches. But is it really fair or rational... that seems to me another thing.
How parents came to know? The servicemen complained to their parents.
I used to have a colleauge asked to do leopard crawl by his sergeant in
BMTC. He cannot take it n asked his parents to complain to BMTC higher
command.
But really no standard meh? You seriously think that they are sending deficent troops to be in the front line units? I don't think so. If you look at most of the requirements that our fighting grunts have to pass you'll realize that it hasn't changed all that much.
Is BMTC really a fair place to judge the entire SAF on? Note that this is a school training recruits from literally all walks of life as opposed to your mono intake dudes who have been streamed straight into the fighting vocations. Many of the BMTC recruits end up in non combat vocations that may result in them not even seeing another firearm for the rest of their NS, and some were never even physically able to in the first place.
In the light of all this, are the standards really lower standards or simply smarter standards? How much exactly can you train a recruit in the three or so months anyway. We all knew that BMTC was just more of an induction to military life then anything else... it's in SISPEC, OCS, and AIT where the real combat training starts and the standards are really imposed and made to matter.
Is it not counter productive to over train a recruit to be the kind of soldier that he will not end up being for the rest of his NS?
At the end of the day BMTC still trains them in the basics of how to use a rifle, how to shoot it, and some basic movements... but the real complex stuff like how to actually function as an infantry unit is taught elsewhere and the standard don't seem all that reduced to me. When the stuff really hits the fan and we go to war you aren't exactly going to stick a rifle into a pes C or E dude and ask him to chiong... if it reached that point it's most likely we're screwed beyond hope liao.
It seems to me the emphasis is being placed on doing things smarter rather then tougher... true doing tough stuff is nice to brag about in forums but you can really win a war without smarts.
Is BMT life easier then the old days? Certainly. But does it mean that the current SAF recruits are lousy? I doubt it... I think it's more of apples and oranges... last time is different from now.
And it would be nice to stop spreading rumors like there's no more leopard crawl and stuff and spin off like... 56 threads making noise about things that aren't even true to begin with... take it from a guy who was in BMTC and eventually became a BMTC instructor: they still leopard crawl, field camp is 7 days straight, we still shoot real bullets at them and they have to crawl BIC, 24 click is still 24 clicks full, and a large number of the recruits can still do their IPPT and SOC.
The system hasn't gotten that much softer, but it has become more forgiving to those who obviously are hopeless for soldier stuff and finds more useful things to do with them. And also some of the dumb stuff that was found counterproductive like cookhouse cleaning, excessive boot polishing and using silly Ali Baba bags that make it impossible to take your things out quickly have been dropped. So what's the big fuss? -
just a personal opinion lah, i thought the whole idea of tekan during BMT is to break you down as a civilian and build you up slowly as a soldier to prepare for the rest of your NS life
if BMT don't do that, i think there is a risk that new privates will retain the civilian mentality and kpkb during unit life
for their own good lah i think, or else, they might not be able to take unit training