Sign On: Worth It? Wise? Outside No Good Job Prospect? How?
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say until so good, then why u urself dont sign on lor...
and all the saying goes...
its too good to be true. and there is no free lunch in the world. -
I know some ex-regular officers. After OCS, go to University for basic degree under some training awards. Then take part-time MBA while serving out contract. Have plenty of leaves and MCs during examination period. Then leave SAF with MAJ / LTC rank with MBA cert.
If you want both education and get paid at the same time, this route is not bad. -
yes. that was what i didOriginally posted by xDD:can sign on after ORD? -
have you even ponder you would retire as...Originally posted by Martinwolf:Hey, some inquiries.
When you sign on, will you get the vocation you want to, or is it on a case-by-case? if you go OOC, where would one go and could one sign on again? also, the website don't seem to tell what is the educational req for specs are like, anyone could shed some light on this? when should i sign on for either spec/officer, before or after BMT? thanks. -
This sounds like a very good route. Any one care to elaborate on the pros and cons of it? i mean besides lack of job exp that is.Originally posted by KoolKool:I know some ex-regular officers. After OCS, go to University for basic degree under some training awards. Then take part-time MBA while serving out contract. Have plenty of leaves and MCs during examination period. Then leave SAF with MAJ / LTC rank with MBA cert.
If you want both education and get paid at the same time, this route is not bad. -
just see what are your regulars doing lor...
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+ guard duties.Originally posted by pierre^^:sign on gd ma
gd pay, free food, free medical
+ where in the world do u get off days except army
+ comfirm 2 mth bonus
+ early fall out
Sometimes can even slp in office
Cons is u have to cut short hair
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retire as...
...insurance agent
...security guard at government buildings
...taxi-driver
...operation manager of schools -
[quote]Originally posted by Xprobe:
[b]retire as...
...insurance agent
...security guard at government buildings
...taxi-driver
...operation manager of schools
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worst case is contract end late 30s early 40s, wah liao...cannot adapt to private sector culture...people dont think you can take senior post, then also think you will not stay long in junior post...ganna hang there in mid-air
then if got kids, the financial pressure keeps building and building, last time shout here shout there inside camp and pull rank, now...
come out and work in these jobs and govt tell u you should be thankful to still have work like this...yeah thats the kind of life you will want...all the way! -
don't mind can someone answer my qn? thks alot= )
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hahaha, it is obvious that this is not the answer you want to hear
ok then, sign on as:
1. part of mainstream army because if you operate in a too niche dept in the army it will be difficult for you to reintegrate back. this advice is from a retired SOF regular
2. some vocation which SAF has to invest a lot in training you. this is ensure that you are not easily replaced. thus, it has to be very technical stuff.
if you do it, marry a rich girl (if you not from well off family) to secure your latter years.
good luck dude, you will need a lot of it -
Cons are too many and many are big road blocksOriginally posted by jus-tea:This sounds like a very good route. Any one care to elaborate on the pros and cons of it? i mean besides lack of job exp that is.
1.) U must get into OCS. If u follow the SAF threads, u know by now, unless u are scholar or nerd or white horse, OCS is consider a heng suay thing because till now, I still have no idea how they pick ppl for OCS (judging by the clowns they commissioned each batch) (Ok, maybe I am abit mean but till now I really haben meet an officer I 100% respect, only Enciks)
2.) Next, u manage to get into OCS, the next step: study. As I said, there are already scholars, nerds and white horses. So what are your chances of securing a scholarship or grant?
3.) Ok, no grant neber mind, u get no pay-leave to come out study. No need to explain here, one word is enough: Study.
4.) Uni finish go back SAF, again depending on what u sign-on as, u sign-on as chiong sua type, u think got time to take part-time studies ah?
5.) Ok, some how to find the time to get out to take part-time MBA, u think u can escape SAF duties one meh? Even officers have duties one, sometimes the CO arrow u liao, u can say u dun one do meh?
6.) Finally, u get ORD from the SAF, armed with a Uni degree and a MBA at the age of what? 30s? Late 30s? Go ahead, I would really like to see how to sit at manager position interview answering this simple question "What experience you have in so-and-so business operation?"
And you must remember, u are now competing in a level playing field which means there are going to be people in the same age range, also armed with a uni degree and MBA with tons of real work experience.
So now you know why there are ex regular officers, with degrees and MBAs driving taxis.
So the moral of the story, unless u are elite, sign-on is just the same as getting screwed but hey, if u dun mind getting screwed. Go ahead. -
Be positive ......... there are cons.
Age 18 - with reasonable good A levels, get a Local Training Award (no need for President Scholarship).
Sign-on for officer corps - sure get into OCS. When signing on, you choose between specialists and officers, so if you choose officer, you must get into OCS.
Age 19 - enter University (NUS) after OCS. 2LT (then LTA) pay while studying for 4 years.
Age 23 - Platoon Commander appointment for 1-2 years
Age 24 - one staff tour in HQ
Age 26 - OC for 2-3 years (CPT- MAJ)
Age 28 - Staff appointment in HQ
If you start your part-time MBA programme at age 24, you can complete it by age 28, assuming that you are kept very busy sometimes. As early as you start your MBA programme, indicate that you are leaving the SAF to your superior and your load will decrease. But do your part, be it the minimum.
You can leave the SAF below the age of 30 armed with an MBA. Your peers will be slogging in the civilian sector all these times, and probably cannot make MBA without a lot more sacrifice than you.
In terms of work experience, you may lose out a little bit. But you know what ? Most SAF officers are able to do well in studies because there is no financial burden ...... full salary while studying.
This route is meant for those who wish to be financially independant, or whose family will be stressed to finance their children through University.
And not to worry too much about the next employment. In the past, there are fewer SAF officers in the civilian sectors, and most people go through NS without making it to Officership, and lack the understanding what these officers are capable of. Now, there are more and more ex-SAF officers who will be willing to employ another ex-SAF officer because they appreciate the values and attitude. -
imo in the army...its either very hardworking personnel and very lazy personnel...
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KoolKool....
while I agree with your path and route of advancement... I have some nagging doubts about this path...
for one...getting an MBA is one thing.. but w/o any particular experience in the private sector.. it's really going to be an uphill task finding a job. Commanding men is really different from private sector work..
and MBA + SAF + duties/outfield means a strain in your social life. But here it's all about what you want to gain in life. Since there is financial security whilst furthering one's studies... i think just 'pia-ing' can be well worth it.
my personal opinion stands that don't just think of Army as a quick way to 'earn yr degree/Masters' while being a 'part-time' regular. The whole SAF stands to lose out because of such people who are in there just to pass time. And why so many NSFs/Regulars/NSmen have such negative experiences about regulars who are in there 'zuo bo' till pay day.
Although I hope to see, in the future, more credible schemes for regulars in middle mgmt to be able to find relevant work in the pte/public sector. And not only allow top brass to move on to be Directors or CEOs in the public sector.
cheers -
Thks alot guys=) all of you have a point=) I'm curious about another thing, you see when I'm 28 armed with a MBA would that ensure me a better pay and better promotion opprtunities as i know the govt sector is very paper based.
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huh?..no la....that time i wanna sign on as MT spec and i nv said the sentence in red omeone else here....go thru the thread plzOriginally posted by Gordonator:so initially u thought of signing on with your mono-intake unit? hmm... quite contradicting cos u mention u wanna sign on during poly days but pulled out]. -
didn't u see that.....from what i have read from various forums and heard from i can conclude that RSN and RSAF is better place to sign on...u shld noe what...better pay..better life..etc...definitely better than army that is..Originally posted by kopiosatu:who the hell taught you that?
just by visual? -
it dozen consider good to me...cos i realised that in the SAF doing regimental duties is a must and someone have mentioned somewhere that u will have to work OT w/o OT pay rite?...i tink that is all included in high monthly pay per month....it's that u win some u lose some..Originally posted by tarutaru:hey it's good money u know -
yes. try dividing the no. of hours you work in SAF to the pay. you'll be shocked.Originally posted by kengkia:it dozen consider good to me...cos i realised that in the SAF doing regimental duties is a must and someone have mentioned somewhere that u will have to work OT w/o OT pay rite?...i tink that is all included in high monthly pay per month....it's that u win some u lose some.. -
if you have to reduce your returns by dividing it with the number of hours, it is definitely not something you enjoy doing, the this must be the wrong decision to make.
why get into it the first place if you dont have the passion for it at all? -
sign on as superviser in SFI to save everyone
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ya as if... get into some ndp stuffs n u'll cry for tolong. yrly gt to run haf marathon.Originally posted by xDD:nt bad huh -
Well, while I can agree with you that the SAF tends to lose out in terms of getting less committed people, but it is a very huge government organisation that can help churn out talents.Originally posted by sir sickolot II:my personal opinion stands that don't just think of Army as a quick way to 'earn yr degree/Masters' while being a 'part-time' regular. The whole SAF stands to lose out because of such people who are in there just to pass time. And why so many NSFs/Regulars/NSmen have such negative experiences about regulars who are in there 'zuo bo' till pay day.
Although I hope to see, in the future, more credible schemes for regulars in middle mgmt to be able to find relevant work in the pte/public sector. And not only allow top brass to move on to be Directors or CEOs in the public sector.
cheers
It does not matter to me that the guys leave the Army after their paper chase. Their next contribution in the private sector is also important to Singapore's economy. Its like MOE does not bond you to serve after getting years of 'free or subsidised' education. So, Government bodies are like stepping stones, and if you can make use of it, why not ?