What does the GDS do actually (No disrespect to GDSmen)
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cool man, everything said here about guardsman can be found at wikipedia, blogs and other sites lor.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Agree with you, while any non-guardsman can get enough information through publicly available equip orbat and loadout and start a discussion based on the usual anecdotal tales, anything else, should stay inside.
As long no numbers and some specific details involved, its still safe
Always ready, ready to strike
Anymore questions about guardsman still ? -
You sure all the Guards have TAG capability?Originally posted by LazerLordz:TAG eh.
My 1st GDS friend doesn't even know what TAG is
Or it could be he's trying to make a fool of me 
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That's precisely why I don't trust wikipedia on many things-Jack of all trades but specialise in nothing. (give you general info only). And to tell you the truth Wikipedia has many errors in it. Especially when it come to anything military. i.e. Who says Singapore SOF walk around with "SPECIAL FORCES" tab on the right sleeve of a combat uniform, or a smaller semi-circle badge on ceremonial uniforms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Special_Operations_Force, accessed 20 March 2007)Originally posted by I_love_my_toilet:cool man, everything said here about guardsman can be found at wikipedia, blogs and other sites lor.
As long no numbers and some specific details involved, its still safe
Always ready, ready to strike
Anymore questions about guardsman still ?
So I avoid Wikipedia on military issues. -
Those who wear the Special Forces tab on the right sleeve of their uniform, are US Special Forces qualified.Originally posted by chanjyj:That's precisely why I don't trust wikipedia on many things-Jack of all trades but specialise in nothing. (give you general info only). And to tell you the truth Wikipedia has many errors in it. Especially when it come to anything military. i.e. Who says Singapore SOF walk around with "SPECIAL FORCES" tab on the right sleeve of a combat uniform, or a smaller semi-circle badge on ceremonial uniforms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Special_Operations_Force, accessed 20 March 2007)
So I avoid Wikipedia on military issues.
I've seen it with my own eyes, but it is only the top tab that they are allowed to wear. -
Haha tats why we need this forum for ma...Originally posted by chanjyj:That's precisely why I don't trust wikipedia on many things-Jack of all trades but specialise in nothing. (give you general info only). And to tell you the truth Wikipedia has many errors in it. Especially when it come to anything military. i.e. Who says Singapore SOF walk around with "SPECIAL FORCES" tab on the right sleeve of a combat uniform, or a smaller semi-circle badge on ceremonial uniforms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Special_Operations_Force, accessed 20 March 2007)
So I avoid Wikipedia on military issues.
Quite alot of pros here to clarify doubts, seek assistance etc etc
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Originally posted by chanjyj:
Only selected group is trained ba.
You sure [b]all the Guards have TAG capability?
My 1st GDS friend doesn't even know what TAG is Or it could be he's trying to make a fool of me [/b]
They are so fortunate lor.
Jus need somebody to go around kio debris n setup bright coloured carpet on the floor.
Anyway all wayang.
U think a pilot will look for your direction during TAG ?
Maybe for night, definitely not for the day.
They trust their air-crew better for directing -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:Those who wear the Special Forces tab on the right sleeve of their uniform, are US Special Forces qualified.
I've seen it with my own eyes, but it is only the top tab that they are allowed to wear.
you talking about Singaporeans?
Where did you see this? I thought Singapore SOF would want to remain as discreet as possible and not show-off -
Depends on what you mean by "air-crew". If you mean co-pilot, I agree with you. If you talking about air-traffic controllerOriginally posted by I_love_my_toilet:Only selected group is trained ba.
They are so fortunate lor.
Jus need somebody to go around kio debris n setup bright coloured carpet on the floor.
Anyway all wayang.
U think a pilot will look for your direction during TAG ?
Maybe for night, definitely not for the day.
They trust their air-crew better for directing you must be joking.
I don't think you know what TAG is.
Terminal Air Guidance is where there is NO air traffic controller to guide you... the person on the ground [in this case, as the Guards (Although I still find it hard to believe)] will become the air traffic controller and guide the aircraft to the location.
Or maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree -
Originally posted by chanjyj:
I'm not talking about our SOF. Our SOF has their own badge, worn above the left pocket. Anyway, 2005 Army Open House, the SOF had a large display booth with simulated CQB games area. you talking about [b]Singaporeans?
Where did you see this? I thought Singapore SOF would want to remain as discreet as possible and not show-off[/b]
I'm talking about US Special Forces-trained SAF personnel, who may not be active SOF or even SOF in the first place. -
Originally posted by chanjyj:
Maybe he thought you are asking about his dog-tag
You sure [b]all the Guards have TAG capability?
My 1st GDS friend doesn't even know what TAG is Or it could be he's trying to make a fool of me [/b]
...you must say Pathfinder then he would understand you. -
You vomit blood oreddy or not? Die Die trying to explain to NCC cadet the insigniaOriginally posted by LazerLordz:I'm not talking about our SOF. Our SOF has their own badge, worn above the left pocket. Anyway, 2005 Army Open House, the SOF had a large display booth with simulated CQB games area.
I'm talking about US Special Forces-trained SAF personnel, who may not be active SOF or even SOF in the first place. -
Lol.. Pathfinder is Guardsmen, yes, but in this thread I am generally ref to normal guardsmen as compared to infantry, not the special cases.Originally posted by Short Ninja:Maybe he thought you are asking about his dog-tag ...you must say Pathfinder then he would understand you. -
When it's time to bring out the hammer and anvilOriginally posted by kotay:Suffice to say "Shoot & FO" is far from it ... try "between a rock and a hard place"
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Originally posted by chanjyj:
well chanjyj, ur fren may not be lying to you. Bcos I was from 3rd Guards in the year 03/04.
You sure [b]all the Guards have TAG capability?
My 1st GDS friend doesn't even know what TAG is Or it could be he's trying to make a fool of me [/b]
MODS, I dun noe whether this should be allowed here, so delete if u feel necessary.
To answer his qns......
In the 2 GDS battalion, 1&3........ there will be a Bn specialising in aerial ops while the other specialises in naval insertion. The heli-borne Bn is call A while the naval insertion one is known as B. Both GDS bn will rotate this arrangement after each mono, thus ur fren may be a B Bn, thus he is not aware of TAG.
After this division of A and B, each Bn will emphasis heavily on their appointed specialisation. For Fencer, usually they will train the Bn to operate on Endurance Class LST and be familiar we FCEP, FCU and RPL. All this vessels are machiam like ur saving private ryan those boats. FCEP is the smallest can carry a plt size, while FCU is slightly larger being able to carry a single AMX10, while the RPL the largest yet the slowest, can carry a coy++ of men and 4 light vehicles. These boats rocks like hell even in the calmest sea of SG on a sunny day. They learn coastal hook and amphibious assaults. I won't elaborate on those. But I did those stuff even though i was not fencer.
During then, I was in A. We learn repelling, hover jump and I'm proud to say, I sit before all the 3 types of helos in RSAF. In fact in my 2 yrs life as NSF, I took heli for abt 8 times like dat.
So wads TAG?
TAG: Is a training given to a particular plt in the Bn. This platoon is responsible to be the first to be inserted into the enemy grounds, after the scouts. Their aim is to mark out the designated sector that allows helicopter to land, usually 3 to 4 birds. For day, orange colour panel are planted to the ground to direct the helis, at night, IR emitting instruments are planted This platoon will be also responsible to maintain comms with RSAF and to challenge password to any incoming helis. If they are contacted by enemy patrols they will halt the helis from coming and beat a hasty retreat to the next nearby alternative landing zones -
Originally posted by kotay:Suffice to say "Shoot & FO" is far from it ... try "between a rock and a hard place
Originally posted by IAF:
When it's time to [b]bring out the hammer and anvil [/b]
"between a rock and a hard, place bring out the hammer and anvil?"
I completely don't understand -
Simply and generally put, hammer and anvil is a two-prong maneuver tactic against an opponent. Team A will make contact with the enemy and hold them down, thereby serving as an anvil to the hammer blow that will occur once Team B moves in to hit the enemy from behindOriginally posted by chanjyj:
"between a rock and a hard, place bring out the hammer and anvil?"
I completely don't understand -
Finally I have some serious answers.. but that brings about another prob..
I always thought this kind of high-risk job like TAG would be commandos doing... (Although I knew that CDOs didn't do this) Then the best qn of all... If the GDS do this then what are the CDOs doing?
Must go ask my officer friend in HQ Commando already
Oh btw, in case you all are wondering why I ask such questions about the SAF, it's because I got a fascination with the strucutre of the Singapore Army as compared to other armies... You can call it a hobby. -
I'm from the 80/90 generation ... I RODed in 1990. To give you an idea of how far back that is, I'm from 2 GDSOriginally posted by chanjyj:kotay you referring to current generation (Year 2000 onwards) of guards or 1980s, 1990s generation?
Because my friend (NS in 2002 1st GDS I think)... Seems to do nothing. In fact he told me Guards is slack. Told me alot of things they do are "for show ony" . don't ask me what "for show" means.. I have no idea. Prob he means wayang wayang
Anyhow, I just did my final high key last year and insofar as I can tell in the 26 years, the Guards mission tasking has not changed (much).
With regards to your friend, what can I say? Is he a lobo?
I know of people who view the whole NS process as futile and one big show ... I'd say to these people that their conclusion is more an indictment of their attitude than the actual training.
I did my 2.5 yrs and 10 yrs of reserve and at no point in time did I ever view our training as wayang wayang ...
Good!Originally posted by chanjyj:
"between a rock and a hard, place bring out the hammer and anvil?"
I completely don't understand
As it is I thought I've already said too much with that hint
Most of what you posted is in the open domain except please be mindful this is an open forum, so no code words please ... unless you change themOriginally posted by equlus84:well chanjyj, ur fren may not be lying to you. Bcos I was from 3rd Guards in the year 03/04.
MODS, I dun noe whether this should be allowed here, so delete if u feel necessary.
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Guys, please be mindful of the need to change names when needed.
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Ah, now comes the golden question, have you served your NS yet?Originally posted by chanjyj:Finally I have some serious answers.. but that brings about another prob..
I always thought this kind of high-risk job like TAG would be commandos doing... (Although I knew that CDOs didn't do this) Then the best qn of all... If the GDS do this then what are the CDOs doing?
Must go ask my officer friend in HQ Commando already
Oh btw, in case you all are wondering why I ask such questions about the SAF, it's because I got a fascination with the strucutre of the Singapore Army as compared to other armies... You can call it a hobby. -
I have very fond memories the helo rides I had in my active days in a heli-tasked battalion. 2 in particular stick in my mind ...Originally posted by equlus84:I sit before all the 3 types of helos in RSAF. In fact in my 2 yrs life as NSF, I took heli for abt 8 times like dat.
One was in Brunei where during an early morning insertion, the pilot flew NOE along a river with the early morning mist along the tree tops ... BEAUTIFUL ... like I was in a Coppola movie
The other was in Thailand where we took Thai army helos instead with Thai pilots ... what an eye opener especially when you consider the TSR restrictions we in the SAF operate under.
Beacoup-tiful memories those .... sigh ... I kenna assigned to an Amphib tasked battalion during my reservist ... CB! -
NCC lah so its best he just sign on in Guards to find out.Too cute and we all answer and give out too much info oreddy.........afterwards some peope might get carriecd away and get into troubleOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Ah, now comes the golden question, have you served your NS yet? -
Originally posted by chanjyj:Depends on what you mean by "air-crew". If you mean co-pilot, I agree with you. If you talking about air-traffic controller you must be joking.
I don't think you know what TAG is.
Terminal Air Guidance is where there is NO air traffic controller to guide you... the person on the ground [in this case, as the Guards (Although I still find it hard to believe)] will become the air traffic controller and guide the aircraft to the location.
Or maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree Must be NCC ?
I done TAG b4. I signal left copter fly right, b4 i signal land the copter already landed. I gan hot, approach the pilot y dun he listen to me ?
The pilot is a MAJ wor, he gan me, WTFRU ?
I stunned tio coz i only 3 strip nia.
The pilot has his co-pilot and air-crew(the specialist behind who open and close the door for u) to look out for lor.
Then i realise my purpose is to wayang play around with the torch light-like thing nia(synchronise my signal with the copter movement), my main purpose is to make sure the orange carpet is firmly fixed onto the ground. TATS ALL.
At night Lagi best. Pilot, Co-pilot n air-crew all have NVG on. Cfm see better than me lah. Coz At night use IR carpet.
maybe TAG will be more useful during ops time lor when the 'ideal LZ' is not available -
Take it as yes, but don't ask me when or where or rank because I don't like to reveal much on the internetOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Ah, now comes the golden question, have you served your NS yet?
Let's not bring up the issue of NCC can? I see the word NCC I get irritated only. NCC as an ECA/CCA is fine, but the problem is the NCC sch kids cannot get it out of their mind that they are NCC, and once they get some kind of rank they have such a huge ego you need a tank to puncture it.
Have a huge chip on their shoulder, and they go parading around in the NCC uniforms. The best thing? They remove the "NCC" epaulettes and go onto the MRT. One big group, talk loud loud, got Staff SG rank somemore, ALL IN FRONT OF TOURIST at City Hall MRT. Spoil the image of SG only. I can only imagine what the tourist is thinking. BAH
I know how much you can get out of the internet because I used to be a hacker (NOT CRACKER pls, hacker is ethical, cracker cause trouble only), so I am very wary of what I put out in the net. -
Oh btw, Martin knows me
He just doesn't know me as "chanjyj". Another name.