sniper rifle questions.
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some questions....could anyone help?
1)is there a straight shot theory for sniper rifles?
2)are magazine sniper rifles prefered over the single bullet type? Eg
SG1 vs Model PM. -
1) Yes, there is: the basic theory is if you don't f*ckin' shoot straight, you won't hit the f*ckin' target.
2) Snipers like a challenge, so even though the Steyr 69 has a magazine, they prefer not to use it. In fact, they start with an empty chamber and load their rounds one only after they see their target, just to see if they can load the round, acquire the target and hit it before it disappears out of range.
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I suppose you are referring to the Accuracy International PM right? Okay, the difference lies in the fact that one (PSG1) is semi-automatic, while the other he Accuracy International PM is bolt-action (one cock, one shot). Why are bolt action rifles preferred over semi-autos? cuz after a bolt-action is fired, there is no mechanical movement of the weapon's components, making it highly accurate, it also features a free-floating barrel for added accuracy to ensure even if the barrel expands after prolonged firing, it won't affect the accuracy of the weapon.Originally posted by guard_01:2)are magazine sniper rifles prefered over the single bullet type? Eg: PSG1 vs Model PM. -
military snipers usually use single round loading rifles.. why? cos they can lie in wait for several days on end to wait for one sorry bastard to turn up in their field of sight.. then it's bang and go.. fast.. they don't stick around after the first shot is out cos they've already given away their position.. so snipers must maintain 200% concentration and focus for days.. another reason why they use single round rifles is because the weapon's weight would be different if they use magazines and somehow are tempted to fire off more shots, thereby affecting accuracy..
only sharpshooters use magazines for their rifles.. but they operate with other infantry units around.. -
hmmm.. does Sg haf snipers?
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what do u thinkOriginally posted by lolxzxz:hmmm.. does Sg haf snipers?
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You mean those who are because of vocation or those who have receive training to shoot as a sniper?Originally posted by lolxzxz:hmmm.. does Sg haf snipers?
Well answer is a big yes
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but they like dun haf high profile or are seldom talked about
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it's just another vocation
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Cos it's nothing to be proud of...Originally posted by lolxzxz:but they like dun haf high profile or are seldom talked about
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if i'm not wrong, they belong in cdo fmn..Originally posted by lolxzxz:hmmm.. does Sg haf snipers?
anyone recall one or 2 yrs back, saf acquired new sniper rifles for them.. was in the newspapers.. they demonstrated their devastating accuracy with one shot thru a coke can placed some miles away.. -
Where got so far?? kekeOriginally posted by dark_riverter:if i'm not wrong, they belong in cdo fmn..
anyone recall one or 2 yrs back, saf acquired new sniper rifles for them.. was in the newspapers.. they demonstrated their devastating accuracy with one shot thru a coke can placed some miles away.. -
well can't really remember the exact distance quoted in the papers.. but i got the impression is pretty far..Originally posted by airgrinder:Where got so far?? keke -
Nope...snipers are not exclusive to the CDO formation. Infantry, Guards etc. all have them. NDU has them too. And if you're talking about shooting a sniper weapon for miles...not possible. the furthest distance for a sniper kil is like 2.3km by a Canadian during Iraqi Freedom or the Afghan conflict.
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infantry brigade has a sniper platoonOriginally posted by dark_riverter:if i'm not wrong, they belong in cdo fmn..
anyone recall one or 2 yrs back, saf acquired new sniper rifles for them.. was in the newspapers.. they demonstrated their devastating accuracy with one shot thru a coke can placed some miles away.. -
I do not agreed with your reasoning, did you watch this in a movie or read a novel? Snipers are more concern with judging distance, wind, terrain, barrel heat etc you need to compensate your aiming for these factors (by aiming higher/lower or adjusting your scope ... these are factors that are important than the weight of your magazine.Originally posted by dark_riverter:military snipers usually use single round loading rifles.. why? cos they can lie in wait for several days on end to wait for one sorry bastard to turn up in their field of sight.. then it's bang and go.. fast.. they don't stick around after the first shot is out cos they've already given away their position.. so snipers must maintain 200% concentration and focus for days.. another reason why they use single round rifles is because the weapon's weight would be different if they use magazines and somehow are tempted to fire off more shots, thereby affecting accuracy..
only sharpshooters use magazines for their rifles.. but they operate with other infantry units around..
Most sniper rifles are either semi-auto or T-bolt action with magazine. Most snipers prefer T-bolt for the reasons spelled out in SpecOps87 posting.
Also, magazines are necessary for multiple targets or back up shots, you can't afford to load from the (topside) bolt ... sorry i can't remember the actual term. -
Wrong wrong... CDO have some, but there is another unit. The CDO snipers went for the sniper course. Not all snipers are CDOSOriginally posted by dark_riverter:if i'm not wrong, they belong in cdo fmn..
anyone recall one or 2 yrs back, saf acquired new sniper rifles for them.. was in the newspapers.. they demonstrated their devastating accuracy with one shot thru a coke can placed some miles away..
Btw, the LONGEST recorded kill was 2430m in Afghanistan using a .50 sniper rifle... 2430m is about 1.5 miles...
"thru a coke can placed some miles away" is just not possible. -
1) Think the author was thinking of the projectiles flight. How straight the projectile flies will depend on the how fast the bullet spins, which depends on internal (type of round, weapon design) and external factors (cross wind, heat / cold). In short, under bullets will never fly striaght, it's very apparent when if the target is far away.Originally posted by Gedanken:1) Yes, there is: the basic theory is if you don't f*ckin' shoot straight, you won't hit the f*ckin' target.
2) Snipers like a challenge, so even though the Steyr 69 has a magazine, they prefer not to use it. In fact, they start with an empty chamber and load their rounds one only after they see their target, just to see if they can load the round, acquire the target and hit it before it disappears out of range.
Guess it does not make much difference if the target is like 300m. Then again, do you need a snip to engage at such proximity.
2) Is this a cdo thingy? Definitely not in SAF doctrine. Two of my buddies joined SOF after our sniper course, they use mag too. For reasons stated in my previous posting, it is not practical to load a bullet at a time in the battle field conditions. Maybe when they are in the range. But i can't thing of any advantages to do so. -
I see sarcasm is a lost art.Originally posted by tchiew:1) Think the author was thinking of the projectiles flight. How straight the projectile flies will depend on the how fast the bullet spins, which depends on internal (type of round, weapon design) and external factors (cross wind, heat / cold). In short, under bullets will never fly striaght, it's very apparent when if the target is far away.
Guess it does not make much difference if the target is like 300m. Then again, do you need a snip to engage at such proximity.
2) Is this a cdo thingy? Definitely not in SAF doctrine. Two of my buddies joined SOF after our sniper course, they use mag too. For reasons stated in my previous posting, it is not practical to load a bullet at a time in the battle field conditions. Maybe when they are in the range. But i can't thing of any advantages to do so.
Of course bullets are subject to the same laws of physics no matter how well the rifle is made, and of course you use a magazine. The only thing CDO about my answers was that they were dumb answers to dumb questions. -
Maybe the first question is dumb.Originally posted by Gedanken:I see sarcasm is a lost art.
Of course bullets are subject to the same laws of physics no matter how well the rifle is made, and of course you use a magazine. The only thing CDO about my answers was that they were dumb answers to dumb questions.
But I think the 2nd question the TS really don't know.
Btw TS, even if the sniper rifle uses magazine, it doesn't mean the weapon is automatic. You may have to manually load the next bullet (think AWP/AWM and scout in CounterStrike)
Sniper Rifles that do not require you to manually eject the bullet will be like the PSG-1.
I frankly.. haven't heard of a modern military sniper rifle that does not use a magazine. -
Exactly. We're well past the elephant gun days, so talking about rifles with magazines isn't saying a whole lot of anything.Originally posted by chanjyj:I frankly.. haven't heard of a modern military sniper rifle that does not use a magazine. -
for first qns, u r talking abt the trajectory thingy is it? bullet travel like a wavelength.
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projectiles travel in a parabolic curve, going up and slightly to the left (or right, can't recall), of course depending on range. Different barrels will have slightly different characteristics. Adjustment have to be done to compensate for weather conditions as mentioned in previous posts.
.5 calibre rifle is one of the most powerful rifle that has the potential to ripe through an engine block up to certain range. And not many knows how to use this weapon.
Think of golf. It is that hard to adjust the angle to offset the wind over say 300ft (abt 100m) such that even top people like woods made mistake, imagine firing over 700m, with a a few seconds window...
Do u know some countries doctrine against snipers are arty bombardment? -
2.3 km also sound very exaggerated leh....where got shoot from so far oneOriginally posted by SpecOps87:Nope...snipers are not exclusive to the CDO formation. Infantry, Guards etc. all have them. NDU has them too. And if you're talking about shooting a sniper weapon for miles...not possible. the furthest distance for a sniper kil is like 2.3km by a Canadian during Iraqi Freedom or the Afghan conflict. -
I thought thats standard practice for everyoneOriginally posted by airgrinder:Do u know some countries doctrine against snipers are arty bombardment?