Taiwan F5 jet crashed and rumored to have fell at Starlight
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It's supposed to be a secret
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Sunday May 13, 2:17 PM
Two servicemen injured in Taiwan jet crash back in Singapore
SINGAPORE : The two SAF servicemen warded overnight at the Intensive Care Unit of the Taipei Tri-service Hospital were flown back to Singapore on Saturday evening.
They are now warded in Singapore General Hospital, where they will continue to receive treatment for their burns and injuries.
MINDEF says the two Full-time National Servicemen, 23-year-old 3rd Sergeant Ramakrishnan Karthigayan and 19-year-old Lance Corporal Calvin Chow Han Min were brought back to Singapore by a RSAF KC-135 aircraft specially equipped for medical evacuation.
The aircraft arrived at Paya Lebar Air Base at 5.28 pm.
Members of the SAF medical team, including a burns specialist and a medical aviation expert, augmented by specialist staff and life support systems from Alexandra Hospital, Tan Tock Seng Hospital and the National University Hospital, were on board the aircraft to monitor the condition of the two soldiers throughout the flight.
At the Singapore General Hospital, the families and friends of the two injured soldiers were anxiously waiting to see their loved ones.
The first to arrive at the hospital was Lance Corporal Chow.
Doctors said he suffered 50 percent burns on his body.
He also had respiratory burns.
Doctors said his condition is critical and the team is working to stabilise him.
The second casualty, 3rd Sergeant Karthigayan Ramakrishnan, has 45 percent total body surface area burns.
He has ventilator support.
Doctors said his condition is serious but stable.
Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean visited both servicemen at the hospital on Saturday evening.
Minister Teo also met with the relatives of the servicemen to assure them of MINDEF's and the SAF's support during this difficult time.
Sergeant Ramakrishnan Karthigayan's father said his son, a full-time National Serviceman with the infantry unit (6th SIR), left for training in Taiwan last Friday.
He was due back home next week.
Mr J Ramakrishnan's friends came to his support following news about his son's condition.
He also had regular updates from Mindef's Family Support Officer Major Joe Ronesh de Silva.
Mr J Ramakrishnan said: "I feel very grateful to the armed forces. Major Ron played a very important part, contacting me initially, updating me, even at 2am. He did everything possible, told me he'll update me. He did everything possible, even arrangements to fly us up. He also understood our request for him to be flown back to Singapore." - CNA/ch -
Sunday May 13, 2:17 PM
SGT Isz Sazli Sapari given full military funeral
SINGAPORE : Over a hundred people attended the funeral of 3rd Sergeant Isz Sazli Sapari on Saturday afternoon.
The 19-year-old SAF personnel was one of two servicemen killed in the fighter jet crash incident in Taiwan.
Family members shared their moment of grief in prayer as the cortege arrived at a mosque at the Pusara Abadi Cemetery around 4.30pm.
His body had been flown back to Singapore via a RSAF C-130 aircraft earlier.
3rd Sergeant Isz Sazli was accorded a full military funeral at the Muslim cemetery in Lim Chu Kang.
Three rounds of ammunition were discharged as a sign of respect.
Those who turned up for the procession included friends and many army personnel.
Just last month, a Police Coast Guard had been buried there after he was killed in the line of duty.
And 3rd Sergeant Isz Sazli now rests some 50 metres from Station Inspector Mohd Khalid Muhamad.
Family members were too distraught and declined to be interviewed.
But his ex-schoolmates from Broadrick Secondary School, who had been looking forward to a class reunion, described him as likeable and easygoing.
The 3rd Sergeant was set to be enrolled in the Arts and Social Sciences Faculty at the NUS.
He was from Anderson JC.
Nurul Ain Alias, Former Secondary Schoolmate, said: "He has the biggest heart among all the guys I know. He's very kind, he always has a smile for every body. He tops the level every year and everybody knew him as a smart guy."
The family of the late Private Fan Yao Jin were in Taipei to conduct religious rites at the crash site.
MINDEF says arrangements are underway to transport the remains of Private Fan back to Singapore on Sunday.
He will also be accorded a full military funeral. - CNA/ch -
well, this is wat i tink ... plp are naturally selfish, but only when they see the coffin ,then they realise that the person lying in the coffin could jolly well be them.. so tt's could be the factor that makes them wake upOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Sad to say, many youth today have no sense of proportion.
What is a weekend lost when your mate has lost his life, and a family is grieiving. Never mind, these selfish people will wake up when they have to actually do the duty in a military funeral itself.
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fellow brothers-in-arms.....RIP...
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the newspaper photos showed 3SG Sazli's coffin mounted onto a gun carriage.
if i remember correctly, during Mr Wee Kim Wee's funeral, his coffin was also mounted onto a gun carriage...and the article stated that a gun carriage mount was only used for those sipeh big phuck people. -
traditionally in Singapore the coffin will be pulled by a land rover, where the coffin will rest on gun carriage attachment at the back.
At the burial site or crematorium, there will be pall bearers of comrades in No. 1 and also a contingent of ceremonial rifleman who will fire 3 rounds in respect for the departed. The national flag will be draped on top of the coffin, with the servicemen's medal(s),badges and normally a bayonet for WOSE and a sword for officers. A National Flag will also be given to the next of kin by a superior officer. The Last post will also be played, as a final send off and at which pt all military personnel, regardless of rank, will salute as a form of respect.
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A full Mil Funeral may be accorded to a SAF servicemen, in full-time NS or during NS training, whose death is attributable to duty. -
Correct.Originally posted by sir sickolot II:traditionally in Singapore the coffin will be pulled by a land rover, where the coffin will rest on gun carriage attachment at the back.
At the burial site or crematorium, there will be pall bearers of comrades in No. 1 and also a contingent of ceremonial rifleman who will fire 3 rounds in respect for the departed. The national flag will be draped on top of the coffin, with the servicemen's medal(s),badges and normally a bayonet for WOSE and a sword for officers. A National Flag will also be given to the next of kin by a superior officer. The Last post will also be played, as a final send off and at which pt all military personnel, regardless of rank, will salute as a form of respect.
Definition:
A full Mil Funeral may be accorded to a SAF servicemen, in full-time NS or during NS training, whose death is attributable to duty.
The gun carriages are quite old, and their maintenance was under my purview. Suffice to say, I always hoped that we never had to do a last-minute check, for it meant that it was going to be used.. -
The parents of the killed pilots blamed the Taiwanese govt for using an aged fighter...
From what I gathered from the Taiwan News, the F-5 has been in ROC for 32 years and there was 31 accidents that caused 32 lives -
hope the 2 severely wouded serviceman get well soon.
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yeap... get well really really soon!Originally posted by Gordonator:hope the 2 severely wouded serviceman get well soon. -
the unit will return home or continue training in taiwan?
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Condolences to the families of our fallen brothers in arms.
Though we may never have known them,they were like us,sharing a common mission,with families and friends,hopes and dreams,just like every other sane person in this world.
Rest in peace,and may whatever deities or spirits they pray to take care of them -
Request is for Fan's NS-bound younger brother
Lee U-Wen
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Before 21-year-old polytechnic student Fan Yao Ren enlists for National Service (NS) next year, his family plans to make a special request to the Ministry of Defence. Their plea: Don't send him on any overseas missions.
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The Fan family does not want to risk losing another son. His older brother, Private Fan Yao Jin, 24, was one of two Singaporean soldiers killed when a fighter jet crashed into a Taiwan military base on Friday.
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At the wake at Toa Payoh East Road yesterday, the private's eldest brother Yao Zhong, a 25-year-old regular with the Singapore Navy, said: "My parents and I would prefer (Yao Ren) to remain in Singapore and not fly during NS. We've mentioned it in passing, and Mindef has said they will look into it closer to the date."
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Asked how his parents were coping, he replied: "I think we can only use one word: Devastated."
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About 80 people paid their respects to Private Fan, whose body arrived home yesterday at 8.30pm. Former classmate Daphne Seah told Today she was still in "a state of shock". Recalling their last conversation on his birthday last Wednesday, she said: "I told him, 'I haven't seen you in over a year', and we made plans to go out when he came back. Now, we'll never get the chance to meet up."
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Meanwhile, the two badly-burnt Singaporean soldiers — Lance-Corporal Calvin Chow and 3rd-Sergeant Ramakrishnan Karthigayan — have undergone several operations at Singapore General Hospital's Burns Unit.
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Lance-Corporal Chow remains in critical condition with 50-per-cent burns and respiratory burns, while 3rd-Sergeant Karthigayan's condition is serious but stable.
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Blamed on ageing jets, the accident injured seven other Singaporean soldiers and killed the two Taiwanese pilots.
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According to Taiwanese newspaper United Daily News, aircraft pilot Wei Tze-yuan was last heard shouting "Up!" before the accident occurred.
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As the aircraft lacked a black box, investigators looked for clues in accident debris, evidence and conversation with the control tower. However, from the pilot's single word to the ground, nothing more could not be deduced. A military source told the Taiwanese newspaper that, due to security reasons, the use of wireless communications is minimised in such air force activities.
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Like 3rd-Sergeant Isz Sazli Sapari, the other SAF serviceman killed in the accident and buried on Saturday, Private Fan will be accorded a full military funeral. He will be buried at Bright Hill Crematorium tomorrow. -
as a personal friend of PTE Fan Yao Jin, i was so shocked when i heard the news, i was so so like OMG!!!! how on earth can this thing happen, 4D TOTO also not that accurate...nonetheless, all of his personal friends were affected by his leaving, we lost a good friend...haix...
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we cant blame the taiwanese for anything.
its an accident nobody wanted and expected.
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I heard from my taiwan friend, the pliots of F5 made a choice but crashes the plane into a Warehouse. The Taiwan military thought the place is empty. How come so many men in the warehouse at that time? Are they resting there? That training area is rather populated with civilians so the Taiwan military made a quick decision to minimize casualties.
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50% burns + respiratory burns is very serious and no such thing as full recovery for such. Actually anymore than 20% burns means you most probably scarred or disfigured for life. Even with skin graft, the results are also pretty bad if you ever seen some of those pictures before.
As one saying goes, "bo keng, bo chu peng." -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burn_%28injury%29Originally posted by jianfish9:50% burns + respiratory burns is very serious and no such thing as full recovery for such. Actually anymore than 20% burns means you most probably scarred or disfigured for life. Even with skin graft, the results are also pretty bad if you ever seen some of those pictures before.
As one saying goes, "bo keng, bo chu peng."
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Originally posted by tortoise55:
hero
Saw this in hardwarezone,
http://thenhbushman.blogspot.com/2007/05/5371.html
I also want to give my personal take on the incident. I saw the jet in its final moments. [b]The pilots had time to eject. They chose not to. Instead, they flew their aircraft into the ground on the base, thus sparing countless hundreds of lives in the crowded Hukou area that would have been lost in the crash and subsequent explosion.
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Originally posted by menoob:
Wonder did he manage to sell or release those pictures? Think they may help with the investigation.
quote:Originally posted by tortoise55:
Saw this in hardwarezone,
http://thenhbushman.blogspot.com/2007/05/5371.html
I also want to give my personal take on the incident. I saw the jet in its final moments. [b]The pilots had time to eject. They chose not to. Instead, they flew their aircraft into the ground on the base, thus sparing countless hundreds of lives in the crowded Hukou area that would have been lost in the crash and subsequent explosion.
hero
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Update..saw in his blog update that he released the photos to Taiwanese Air Force officers and hold off publishing it to the public for at least a week. -
are you sure?Originally posted by dragg:we cant blame the taiwanese for anything.
its an accident nobody wanted and expected.
RIP.
Their F5 causes so many deaths liao .. it is amazing they are still using it. -
Most probably our poor soldiers doing saikang in that warehouse.Originally posted by ahtansh:I heard from my taiwan friend, the pliots of F5 made a choice but crashes the plane into a Warehouse. The Taiwan military thought the place is empty. How come so many men in the warehouse at that time? Are they resting there?
By the way, I don't think the pilots made a conscious choice to crash into the warehouse. They probably tried to avoid the congested areas (with civilians) but with no total control of the plane, the plane just suay suay hit the warehouse. -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:
May 11, 2007, 4.14 pm (Singapore time)
2 S'poreans killed in fighter jet crash in Taiwan
The two injured Singaporeans, said to be in critical condition, have been sent to the Taipei's Tri-Service General Hospital. -- TVBS
TAIPEI - A MILITARY exercise in northern Taiwan turned tragic when two Singaporean soldiers were killed and nine others were left injured.
The accident, which happened on Friday morning also left two Taiwanese fighter pilots dead.
According to Taiwan's defence ministry, an F-5F jet crashed into a military compound in Hsinchun county during its annual 'Han Kuang' military exercise.
The two SAF servicemen who died in the crash are 19-year-old Corporal Isz Sazli Sapari and 22-year-old Private Fan Yao Jin.
The two-seat warplane crashed at 9.38am, 30 minutes after take-off from an air base in Taitong, south-east of the island during a simulation of a ground attack, according to the defence ministry.
The cause of the crash at the Hu-kou military base was not immediately known, the islandÂ’s defence ministry said in a statement.
But Taiwan's Ministry of National Defence spokesman, Rear-Admiral Wu Chi Fang said the pair killed were not taking part in FridayÂ’s drill, adding that the cause of the crash was under investigation.
In a statement, Singapore's defence ministry, MINDEF, said that the Taiwan Air Force F-5F aircraft crashed into a storeroom which was gutted by a fire.
The servicemen, including Full-Time National Servicemen (NSF), were present at the storeroom at that time.
The bodies of the Corporal Isz Sazli and Private Fan were flown to a mortuary in Taoyuan, north of Taiwan, while the two injured Singaporeans, said to be in critical condition,have been sent to the Taipei's Tri-Service General Hospital.
Reports say the two suffered 60 to 70 per cent burns on their bodies.
A team of five SAF doctors are now in Taiwan to help stabalise the conditions the two servicemen.
Meanwhile, the SAF and Mindef extended their condolences to the families of the pair who died and will fly them to Taiwan.
Singapore's Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean has expressed his deep concern for affected servicemen and their families. [b]He said that Mindef and the SAF will 'do all they can to look after their well-being' but the victims' families need to be 'realistic' on amount of compensation they can get.
Mr Teo, who is in touch with Taiwanese authorities, said Mindef and the SAF will be investigating the incident.
The two pilots who died in the crash were an instructor and intelligence officer.
All remaining F-5F fighters participating in the drill — 60 or so — were immediately grounded for safety inspections, together with all F-5Es in the fleet. The Air Force has also grounded F-Es for safety inspections.
Mr Lee however said the live-fire “Han Kuang (Han Glory) 23” manoeuvres would go on as scheduled next week.
Taiwan prepares to showcase its military strength, beginning next Monday, in five days of exercises designed to test its defence capabilities. -- Additional sources from AFP, AP[/b]
It is normal. When come to compensation, they will ask the families of the victims be realistic. What if the one who died is his own incompetent son? Who injured his head during his cadets phase? What will he say? -
Their F-5 is now named as widow fighter jet...