I Am Thankful...
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BMT takes 3 mths...BSLC/ASLC/OCS takes easily 6mths to 9/10mths more...if reduce to 1.5yrs...how to learn about unit ops. etc?Originally posted by krakadu:if only NS would be further shortened.... maybe from 2 years to 1 1/2 years? -
easy loOriginally posted by SpecOps87:BMT takes 3 mths...BSLC/ASLC/OCS takes easily 6mths to 9/10mths more...if reduce to 1.5yrs...how to learn about unit ops. etc?
men serve 1.5 yr while specs n officer serve 2 yrs 
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i share the same sentiments as specops87, im near ord'ing and i too bitch about NS. but i believe when the time comes to bear arms i will, and i will volunteer for frontline service (if theres such a thing). naive thinking about heroics i guess but i sincerely wish to do so. because ive lived in other countries and in comparison im thankful for our way of life no matter how much we complain about living in singapore
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[quote]Originally posted by SpecOps87:
[b]Just had an interesting evening with 2 Mexican and 1 French exchange students. Over food, I was curious if they had conscription over in their countries.
In Mexico, there is conscription, but its like a "lucky draw" system. Once the males turn 18, they turn up at the recruitment center, put their hands into a box, and pick up a ball, if its black they need to serve, it its white, they don't have to serve. Both didn't enlist, but they mentioned that they think that its crazy to be in the military.
I think it is crazy to be in the Military only if you are underpaid.Next time when you go out for makan with Speedy Gonzales and Miguel ask them how much a mexican conscript get paid .No wonder why they cross the border so they can serve and die in Iraq. -
wad u all had for dinner?
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Learn during reservist lor, going to return everything upon your pink ic anyway.Originally posted by SpecOps87:BMT takes 3 mths...BSLC/ASLC/OCS takes easily 6mths to 9/10mths more...if reduce to 1.5yrs...how to learn about unit ops. etc? -
Just wish for you to know...Mexicans who cross the border to the good ol'US of A are not doing it because they love the military or what...but because they want to get the Green Card.Originally posted by Short Ninja:[quote]
I think it is crazy to be in the Military only if you are underpaid.Next time when you go out for makan with Speedy Gonzales and Miguel ask them how much a mexican conscript get paid .No wonder why they cross the border so they can serve and die in Iraq. -
hey bro, you are not alone with your thoughts... but i am sure that its not what we are expecting or thought it would be when we enlist and you probably have heard this a gezillion times. People like us should be mentally prepared by now for it.
Hang on to your thoughts when the going gets tough.
cheers
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then shorten the bslc ocs wahtever courseOriginally posted by SpecOps87:BMT takes 3 mths...BSLC/ASLC/OCS takes easily 6mths to 9/10mths more...if reduce to 1.5yrs...how to learn about unit ops. etc? -
Forced happiness isn't real happiness. Forced discipline isn't self-discipline. Conscription is against Human Rights. Will you do things whole-heartedly when you're being forced to?
Back in the olden days, we got no choice. Enemy are already at our doorstep. Hot-blooded young men volunteered to fight against the invaders. They deserve our respect. That, was in the past.
However now? It's entirely different era from then. Granted, we are facing with threats - terrorism. By having conscription, different batches of people have to go through the same training, only to be "released" upon reaching 2 years. Would this deter terrorism? And to be more specific, how many who have gone through the training would answer to the call of arm when the time come? How many would actually fight against terrorism?
Hence, there is a need to have a more specialized force rather than a force that is barely there. Batch and batch of male citizen who have turn 18 are require to serve NS. When one batch undergo BMT, another ORD. Such repetitive training get us nowhere. Those who have complete the training stay stagnant, only to be drag back from the civilian life to "refresh" memory.
Those who are serving NS don't get much respect from the society. Root of problem is mainly because "Most male citizen, if not all, would need to go through this phase". Unlike in other countries where their military comprises of specialized units. Their army is like a symbolism of patriotism.
If i were to question those serving NS currently. What is the major upcoming event? It's not joint training with the US Armed Forces. It's not the combined training with the Austrialian Armed Forces. It would be the National Day Parade 2007.
If Singapore were to do away with Conscription, have those money that is suppose to be NSF allowance added onto Regular's pay, i believe more people will sign on. When these people who volunteer to serve the country, they will also gain their respect(afterall, they are not the Wayang Show like now). -
dont be bother by it, if you cant stand these few comments, wait until you enlisted than you will face all the KINGS comments in SAFOriginally posted by SpecOps87:I don't get it...why is it that when someone expresses his/her/its view about some policy which makes sense in the present unstable undercurrent in the modern world, others will come up with smart comments like "You will be real thankful after you kena 7 wkend guard duties, after you finish your BMT etc." Its here for a reason of need, not want. So you don't have to love it, you just have to do it. Same as your studies...studies are a pain too right? You can choose not to...so why bother?
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Whatever it is...it is a service to the national period. And the point here is about how people are taking things for granted overseas. If you ask me, the one thing in the policies of the government is that they have done a good one having a ready reserve of trained men. But the question lies with are these men to be used as fodder or are they trained and given as good a chance of survival in a conflict?
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Conscription in SG = cheap local male labour IMHO.Originally posted by NOTNobody:Forced happiness isn't real happiness. Forced discipline isn't self-discipline. Conscription is against Human Rights. Will you do things whole-heartedly when you're being forced to?
Back in the olden days, we got no choice. Enemy are already at our doorstep. Hot-blooded young men volunteered to fight against the invaders. They deserve our respect. That, was in the past.
However now? It's entirely different era from then. Granted, we are facing with threats - terrorism. By having conscription, different batches of people have to go through the same training, only to be "released" upon reaching 2 years. Would this deter terrorism? And to be more specific, how many who have gone through the training would answer to the call of arm when the time come? How many would actually fight against terrorism?
Hence, there is a need to have a more specialized force rather than a force that is barely there. Batch and batch of male citizen who have turn 18 are require to serve NS. When one batch undergo BMT, another ORD. Such repetitive training get us nowhere. Those who have complete the training stay stagnant, only to be drag back from the civilian life to "refresh" memory.
Those who are serving NS don't get much respect from the society. Root of problem is mainly because "Most male citizen, if not all, would need to go through this phase". Unlike in other countries where their military comprises of specialized units. Their army is like a symbolism of patriotism.
If i were to question those serving NS currently. What is the major upcoming event? It's not joint training with the US Armed Forces. It's not the combined training with the Austrialian Armed Forces. It would be the National Day Parade 2007.
If Singapore were to do away with Conscription, have those money that is suppose to be NSF allowance added onto Regular's pay, i believe more people will sign on. When these people who volunteer to serve the country, they will also gain their respect(afterall, they are not the Wayang Show like now).
just like how SG agencies uses cheap indo/phillipine maids.
trust me, Singapore isnt a true republic (yeah yeah, its on paper yada yada...) and it isnt very democratic either... just look at how much the ministers are being paid and how the government doesnt subsidize medical fees and other items that the citizens NEED.
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Well IMO, conscription is rather important for SG.
Having a well trained units of regular is good, but our quantity is too little. Any invading country with a larger force can easily take over us as our forces will slowly die out. No matter how well trained we are, our soldiers will not turn invulnerable.
Even with a conscript force, our quantity is rather low already, but it is better then nothing.
I think that if SG happens to remove conscription, only a handful will join a year. We will end up having a real life 300 movie if a war comes.