warrant officer
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i am wondering how do we get to the rank of warrant officer? is it by signing on?
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Yes yes!! Sign ON now!!
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sign on also doesn't 100% guarantee u will make it to encik status.
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Warrant Rank is the end of the WOSE path
REC-PTE-LCP-CPL-3SG-2SG-1SG-SSG-MSG-2WO-1WO-MWO-SWO
(Promotion need not progress in this order)
As you can see, you only can achieve warrant rank in your late thirties or early forties. This is provided you managed to secured the 2nd 10 year bond. Hear say, now quite hard to reach because SAF kick ppl out at the end of the 1st 10 year bond.
For sign on, ONLY consider after you have served at least for 6 months (inclusive of BMT and unit life). Only by then if you find that that kind of life suits you and you find it interesting then go ahead.
Once sign on, it is black and white, you can't easily break bond one. Furthermore, what happens if you find SAF sucky? You lan lan suck thumb and served the 10 year bond in a job you find it totally sucks?
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if TS doesn't mind.. what is your academic qualifications.... if you're heading on towards university... then you should consider officership.
In any case i'm curious to know what made you interested in the army. You see, prior to enlistment we have a set of idea of what the military is like, and mostly (although not always) the pomp and paegantry of parades, the honour of serving in an elite covert unit etc...
However, this is quite distant from the truth where the work might not seem rewarding and many people do come to realise they were never meant to lead such a regimental life. But, by then, with your signature on the dotted line... it's kinda hard to make that U-turn.
As advised, do check with friends, read up on SAF... and better still, experience Unit life ( that's after BMT) before you consider a career.
If you are capable and committed, one can easily reach 2WO ( that's the most junior rank of WO grade) in his early 30s. like 30 or 31.
cheers, just my 2 cents worth. -
but wad abt air force n navy? they should be considered less regimental right? i even heard abt pple in navy who doesn't really give a shiit abt ur rank but ur seniority. i am considering signing on as specialist but i will take up a part time degree so as to sort of "save" myself when i get kick out after the 10 yr bond. but wad im afraid is tat u will be required to work unexpected shifts which may disrupt ur lessons. any regulars care to share some light abt tis?
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you just read yesterday's straitstimes about WO being promoted isit? -
don waste time sign on. depend on the govt? get a job outside survive in society yourself better than some regulars with no where to go every morning only know how to go for breakfast leave the NSF to do the dirty work. WTF.
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outside society sucks as well. i believe there are all sorts of pple everywhere la,gd or bad.
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at least they have dignity. they choose to walk an unknown path and pursue their dreams instead of some ppl who choose to let somebody run their lives for a couple of years. you think with the fucking certs those regulars hold especially the specs and warrant officers they can get their current pay if they work outside in society?Originally posted by coldstar:outside society sucks as well. i believe there are all sorts of pple everywhere la,gd or bad. -
some pple become regular also becoz of passion n dreams too,juz tat u nv notice any. n wad do u mean but $$@# certs? majority of them are holding poly diplomas.
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whats the big F of a diploma?
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i will graduating soon with a diploma of computer engineering. i am also interested in going university. I also heard that the life inside is not very good.Originally posted by sir sickolot II:if TS doesn't mind.. what is your academic qualifications.... if you're heading on towards university... then you should consider officership.
In any case i'm curious to know what made you interested in the army. You see, prior to enlistment we have a set of idea of what the military is like, and mostly (although not always) the pomp and paegantry of parades, the honour of serving in an elite covert unit etc...
However, this is quite distant from the truth where the work might not seem rewarding and many people do come to realise they were never meant to lead such a regimental life. But, by then, with your signature on the dotted line... it's kinda hard to make that U-turn.
As advised, do check with friends, read up on SAF... and better still, experience Unit life ( that's after BMT) before you consider a career.
If you are capable and committed, one can easily reach 2WO ( that's the most junior rank of WO grade) in his early 30s. like 30 or 31.
cheers, just my 2 cents worth.
what do you mean by officership? -
means being commisioned officers. basically they are so called being the more "glamourous" ones as compared to specialists. but still need at least a degree to climb up the ranks.
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some regulars are like this. especially some of the specs and warrant officers. think they big shot bully the NSF ask them do this & that but when the officers come these spec and warrant officers just like dogs. these specs and warrant officers only know how to pick on the weak and act garang. when they find out these NSF come from rich families or are educated they get scared of the parents. WTF. make a fool of themselves simple english cannot even speak properly. if they were to work in society you think they can push ppl around and act garang like what they do in army? give them face call them encik if not call them shi*. F off.
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the bosses in ur company also does tat. some of them even bully more sadistically than in the saf. not to mention fake colleagues who juz wanna backstab u in order to climb the corporate ladder.
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life is not a fucking bed of roses. but to bully the weak reflects on character. satisfy ego? pick on ppl your size. all guys have to serve NS. it is not a matter of choice. outside we do have a choice.
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if u can "Tripod" those ppl(like ur FWO/OC)..
most probably u can get it fast..
but den once u "Tripod" ppl,
ur peers will tend to dislike u..
n tats Life
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with your current diploma, it would be quite easy to get a decent job in the 'outside world'.Originally posted by soggy87:i will graduating soon with a diploma of computer engineering. i am also interested in going university. I also heard that the life inside is not very good.
what do you mean by officership?
Whether being a military man is a good life, that really boils down to personal perspective. many people hate the regimentation, dislike the career prospects and hate that it is no longer an iron rice bowl. Well, times have changed and so has the SAF.
If you wish to pursue a career in the military, my personal take is to strive for Officer scheme aka Commisioned Officers. Their route of advancement is much better, and if you can get a university degree ( and that is IF you are still interested in a career in the military)... is quite good. -
For my unit last time durning the nsf days,my wos all not bad leh,true is alway errand us help them do their work,but at least got offOriginally posted by bryanwong:some regulars are like this. especially some of the specs and warrant officers. think they big shot bully the NSF ask them do this & that but when the officers come these spec and warrant officers just like dogs. these specs and warrant officers only know how to pick on the weak and act garang. when they find out these NSF come from rich families or are educated they get scared of the parents. WTF. make a fool of themselves simple english cannot even speak properly. if they were to work in society you think they can push ppl around and act garang like what they do in army? give them face call them encik if not call them shi*. F off.
My unit i prefer the wos over those young 2lts,they dunno our work well yet everytime to the workshop ask this ask that,even scolded one of the wos for not greeting him sia,imagine one 19-20 yrs old young boi scold a 40+ wos who can be his father,that 2LT certainly don't earn our respect compare with the wo. -
means going to OCS?Originally posted by sir sickolot II:with your current diploma, it would be quite easy to get a decent job in the 'outside world'.
Whether being a military man is a good life, that really boils down to personal perspective. many people hate the regimentation, dislike the career prospects and hate that it is no longer an iron rice bowl. Well, times have changed and so has the SAF.
If you wish to pursue a career in the military, my personal take is to strive for Officer scheme aka Commisioned Officers. Their route of advancement is much better, and if you can get a university degree ( and that is IF you are still interested in a career in the military)... is quite good.
i will tell my pc that i am interested in OCS cos i am interested in SAF career? -
First off, regiment is standard. It is how they want to enforced in your unit. Example: In my active days, I experience a cross over period of 2 RSM. One is more "close one eye" and have more leeways. The other enforced regiment to the core.Originally posted by coldstar:but wad abt air force n navy? they should be considered less regimental right? i even heard abt pple in navy who doesn't really give a shiit abt ur rank but ur seniority. i am considering signing on as specialist but i will take up a part time degree so as to sort of "save" myself when i get kick out after the 10 yr bond. but wad im afraid is tat u will be required to work unexpected shifts which may disrupt ur lessons. any regulars care to share some light abt tis?
So you might have heard that some units less regimental but might not be the case when you enlist.
For sign on, I still stand by my words: Experience first then decide. (I have frens who all regret after sign on and now they are stuck in a job they find it sucky)
You are right on part-time studies. Take NTU part-time EEE, typical 3 modules per sem, taking atleast 3 days per week (could have more depending on schedule such as lab lessons and all weekday class). Starting from 7 to 10pm.
So basically once you are on duty (be it COS/BOS/duty officer/etc) you are stuck in camp and miss lessons unless of course you volunteer to switch all your duties to weekend duties (then alot of your army buddies will super thank you and you basically have no life )
Part-time for SAF from I observed, they are ususally from air-force and Navy (non-sailing) mostly from tech/service vocations. And it is not easy and requires alot of commitment from family/work, drop out rate for part-timers is quite high by the end of the final year, one lecture hall could only seat less than 10 students per module. -
i suppose when u enlist ( or if u're already in the service) you could inform your PC you wish to sign on as an Officer.Originally posted by soggy87:means going to OCS?
i will tell my pc that i am interested in OCS cos i am interested in SAF career?
Your PC (be it WO or 2LT) would be in a good position to tell you about life in command school for example, and maybe some insights to regular life.
Should you wish to take up a part time degree course during your 6/10 year bond, note that it's not going to be easy as you might have operational requirements/duties/overseas exercise... and all these might effectively clash with your studies.
Whilst i've seen regulars getting their tertiary education while in green, they are mainly combatants in training schools or are in the technical vocations with no ( or little) ops stand by.
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Think twice dude. Unless you really have this passion to serve the country.