NSF found dead in camp: It's suicide, rules coroner
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they broke up already leh..Originally posted by Gordonator:suicide is a selfish and stupid. he never think of his girlfriend and his baby. -
Stupid man... why take his own life??? Wah lan... go for more details since he got financial problem... more driver milage bonus to claim mah...
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Its still a stupid thing to do.
But RIP to him.
Now the ex-girlfriend will have to pick up the pieces.
Those of you in charge of keeping watch on people, do NOT leave them out of your sight. -
Being an NSF can be miserable and tireseome at times but the Army is not responsible for this death.
Since passing out from SISPEC and being posted to the Infantry, I've heard the words "girlfriend pregnant... emotional problems..." every now and then. It doesn't exactly happen every day but situations like these happen often enough that it actually seems like a "normal" occurrence. Add on the AWOL cases, Police Arrests, Fighting cases, Drug cases, Thefts etc... and you realise that there's an entire segment of enlistees in the Army that were already screwed-up before the Army even got hold of them.
For those of us who have to command these people directly, it's hard dealing with them. The fact that their lives are in such a mess is usually due in part to the fact that they don't THINK before they act. We try to support and sympathise but we also need to make them wake up and take responsibility for their mistakes. Some choose to run from their mistakes (AWOL or the final escape; death) while others gloat in their misery and get depressed.
In cases where pregnancy and babies are involved, it sometimes really bothers me that some of these guys, as young as 16-17 yrs, who seem intent of failing at everything from school, jobs, family, Army... can seem to succeed so easily when it comes to bringing another human being into this world... and then proceed to medthodically destroy that new life with smoke, drugs and large quantities of alcohol. -
Originally posted by caleb_chiang:Stupid man... why take his own life??? Wah lan... go for more details since he got financial problem... more driver milage bonus to claim mah...
$150 for 3000km lah..u think so easy for u to clock meh 
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Sad. When you have so many problems in life already, going to Army is going to compound them all. You get little pay, little time of your own and of coz the stress of army. Getting extras, weekend duties, SOL and DB can really make someone very depressed.
Thinking of having to do weekend duties already get me depressed.
Perhaps the army ought to have sent him for some counseling. Perhaps they failed to detect his problems before hand. There must have been symptoms of depression before he really jumped. -
I would like to add that most of these people have superiors, be it their sergeants or officers who are not likely to have faced similar problems before (in part due to demographics etc), and have trouble trying to understand why their men's lives are so screwed up prior to enlistment .Originally posted by Quirinus:Being an NSF can be miserable and tireseome at times but the Army is not responsible for this death.
Since passing out from SISPEC and being posted to the Infantry, I've heard the words "girlfriend pregnant... emotional problems..." every now and then. It doesn't exactly happen every day but situations like these happen often enough that it actually seems like a "normal" occurrence. Add on the AWOL cases, Police Arrests, Fighting cases, Drug cases, Thefts etc... and you realise that there's an entire segment of enlistees in the Army that were already screwed-up before the Army even got hold of them.
For those of us who have to command these people directly, it's hard dealing with them. The fact that their lives are in such a mess is usually due in part to the fact that they don't THINK before they act. We try to support and sympathise but we also need to make them wake up and take responsibility for their mistakes. Some choose to run from their mistakes (AWOL or the final escape; death) while others gloat in their misery and get depressed.
In cases where pregnancy and babies are involved, it sometimes really bothers me that some of these guys, as young as 16-17 yrs, who seem intent of failing at everything from school, jobs, family, Army... can seem to succeed so easily when it comes to bringing another human being into this world... and then proceed to medthodically destroy that new life with smoke, drugs and large quantities of alcohol.
I think what can help is that every section leader trainee undergo a junior paracounsellor course that teaches them/exposes them to the less fortunate side of society and how they as future instructors and section commanders can help to provide a trained ear to their men's problem.
When you are not trained, you are very likely to just give up in frustration after trying to help one or two out. If you've spent all your life in the upper-middle strata, and when you enlist and subsequently have men under you who have problems you never came close to seeing, let alone interacting with, the chances of you being apathetic is very high.
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He is selfish. Probably spoilt by his parents as he is the only son. And having underage sex and getting the young gal pregnant, he is pathetic! Thou he has passed away, I still must say this: he is so irresponsible!
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Despair is sometimes a slippery road that cascades down into oblivion.
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Very true. And despair is not helped by being in a situation where punishment is looming, especially if you are not mentally psyched.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Despair is sometimes a slippery road that cascades down into oblivion.
As stupid as it is, not everyone can handle despair. -
Trouble with NS in general is that not everyone is made to be a warrior. NS forces one into a mold where the mind can easily break if one is not fit for the job.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Very true. And despair is not helped by being in a situation where punishment is looming, especially if you are not mentally psyched.
This lad couldn't take it. As selfish and stupid as it happened, the SAF's "Care for Soldier" is sometimes a joke since it has been a politicised affair and not a genuine concern sometimes. -
A$$AFFFF itself is a joke since the start...Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Trouble with NS in general is that not everyone is made to be a warrior. NS forces one into a mold where the mind can easily break if one is not fit for the job.
This lad couldn't take it. As selfish and stupid as it happened, the SAF's "Care for Soldier" is sometimes a joke since it has been a politicised affair and not a genuine concern sometimes. -
NS is a stupid thing, our soldiers cant fight, go inside camp become stress, that is why suiside, gah men waste alot in defence, singapore is a small country, one missile the whole island is gone, civil defence is more relevent.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Trouble with NS in general is that not everyone is made to be a warrior. NS forces one into a mold where the mind can easily break if one is not fit for the job.
This lad couldn't take it. As selfish and stupid as it happened, the SAF's "Care for Soldier" is sometimes a joke since it has been a politicised affair and not a genuine concern sometimes. -
but he is still father of the baby nevertheless. it doesn't mean that he can forgo his responsibilities as a father eventhough both of them are broken up.Originally posted by browniebaobao:they broke up already leh.. -
R.I.P, that's all I can say.
As to whether the boy is silly to jump, that's up to the individual -
I think he just fear of DB loh,that why ended his life,but then why will he steal a hp in the first place,Singaporeans are not that poor after all,why will he take the risk of going to DB for a little hp,will the hp fetch his lots of money???????????or he just steal it for excitement??????????
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
Another stupid dumb dumb who never thought of the consequence of his action.
June 16, 2007
[b]NSF found dead in camp: It's suicide, rules coroner
By Elena Chong
FULL-TIME national serviceman Ambrose Yeo Chang Wen - found dead at the foot of a building at Hendon Camp on Sept 18 last year - took his own life, State Coroner Ronald Gwee said yesterday.
He pointed to two SMSes Private Yeo sent, shortly before his death, to his former girlfriend in which he said he would be gone for good.
The coroner added that two superficial slashes were spotted on Pte Yeo's wrists, indicating he had tried to cut himself.
He found also Pte Yeo had not suffered any abuse from his officers, who had ordered that he be kept under guard after he confessed to stealing a cellphone from a fellow soldier. 'The officers do not appear to have over-stepped their boundaries and do not appear to have acted beyond their powers and scope of authority in the circumstances,' Coroner Gwee said.
Pte Yeo, 20, a driver with Pasir Ris Camp, was attached to Hendon Camp for two weeks when he died.
On Sept 17, he admitted to officers during questioning that he had stolen medic Benjamin Tan's phone in August, but denied involvement in the case at hand where fellow driver Chris Tan's phone was reported missing.
Pte Yeo, who had been reprimanded earlier for stealing a phone, was placed in a guardroom and scheduled to be handed over to Pasir Ris Camp at 8am the next day.
It was decided that he should be segregated from the rest to prevent any disputes.
Pte Yeo then spoke to his mother over the phone and told her in Mandarin to take care. He also called two male friends, asking them to look after his ex-girlfriend, Ms Stephanie Fong, 18, and their five-month-old baby.
Pte Yeo had the baby with Ms Fong but they broke up before they could get married.
In his first SMS to her on the night of his death, he apologised for all the wrong he had done and told her he would be 'gone for Gd'.
He told her to take good care of herself and their child, saying she was his only love.
About 30 minutes later, he SMSed her again and sought her forgiveness. He said that that was his last message.
At about 1.40am on Sept 18, sentry duty officer Low Yih Fei, 19, went for a toilet break and did not ask another guard to watch Pte Yeo.
At around 2.10am, Pte Yeo was found lying beside a four-storey building. He was pronounced dead at 3.28am.
Investigating officer Johnny Tan Beng Heng of Bedok Police Division said that, according to Pte Yeo's ex-girlfriend, he was under a lot of stress - because of finances, his family, the army, herself and the baby. Also, he owed cellphone bills of $522.
Pte Yeo's father, logistics supervisor Yeo Suan Poh, 49, and two of his five daughters, aged 11 and 24, attended the inquiry. Pte Yeo was his only son.
Colonel Benedict Lim, director of public affairs at the Defence Ministry, said in a press statement last night: 'We will take the coroner's findings and take appropriate action.'[/b] -
Why do you keep blaming on the army? it every singaporean duty, like it or don't... you still have to do it..Originally posted by near:The army have just runied another precious life and caused untold misery to a family.
It the matter on how you look at it, i witness some NSmen before, there could MR which mean does not need to come back for any ICT and any training., but they chose not to MR and be back with his buddy of friends... -
broke up but baby he also got "shares" one mah...Originally posted by browniebaobao:they broke up already leh.. -
Gahmen cancel NS la.
Everybody happy.
Its not like sg can defend itself with it own army when people come attack.
We still got to depend on the US when the time comes. -
Don't blame the army than blame who? These people did not chose to serve ns..Originally posted by zheshi:Why do you keep blaming on the army? it every singaporean duty, like it or don't... you still have to do it..
It the matter on how you look at it, i witness some NSmen before, there could MR which mean does not need to come back for any ICT and any training., but they chose not to MR and be back with his buddy of friends...
If they had chosen to sign on and than can't take the pressure and commit suicide than it will be their fault because they chose to do so..
But these people did not chose to serve the army..so there is only the army to blame -
You can't say that.Originally posted by kaykwang:He is selfish. Probably spoilt by his parents as he is the only son. And having underage sex and getting the young gal pregnant, he is pathetic! Thou he has passed away, I still must say this: he is so irresponsible!
Being a young kid who knows nothing about responsibility and when aroused by his sexual desires, it is not suprising that he will have underage sex..He is just a human who makes mistakes like all human being does. -
That's pretty interesting in the least. I don't know army camp life but I hope army would not be as though as the past since, now that the government is monitoring NS procedures.
I think some silent people just, can't bear army life. I would just do what the commandos instructed and follow standard millitary disclipine, although I don't seemed to like it.
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Care For Soldiers
my understanding for this Core Value is that you put them through a lot of crap and tough training so that they will survive on the battlefield and excel in their task.
this is the Army, not a nursery. we (NSF, Regulars and NSmen) are the one and only force standing in between foreign invaders and the women and children. please keep that in mind.
it is sad that a person took his own life. however, he was screwed up before hand, the Army only exacerbated his problems. but, it was his own lust for the new handphone, and getting caught, that made him do it. it was his own cowardice and fear of going to DB that made him cut his wrist.
his own personality flaw is the root of the problem, not the Army. such irresponsible behaviour is unbecoming of a soldier, anyway.
and i agree that NSFs should get more pay. mine was crap, high risk, real ops, practical and knowledge based, but crap pay. knn. -
[b]Originally posted by Diehard_89:so many deaths related to SAF in some way or another?
why did'nt anyone mentioned that so many deaths are related to reckless egoistic drivers, drunk drivers?? You can practically read it in the news about some poor person being knocked/run down by those reckless drivers every week!!
why pick on the SAF??