How effective is SAF hotline and MFU
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Got anyone here tried calling SAF Hotline or Mindef Feedback Unit to complain about Superiors before..?
How effective was it?
I try calling SAF hotline twice and they told me to go through chain of command..totally crap. -
its the SAF, u need to go through the chain of command....
but got short cut... its called MP. -
You will get charged and go db if you do that..Originally posted by uglyguy:its the SAF, u need to go through the chain of command....
but got short cut... its called MP. -
no use at all
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huh new rules ? one of my junior's uncle called the hotline.... the next day briefing all tio from our CO
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seriously
i think
not much use at all
served as wayang channels nia
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Provide more details please..Originally posted by givemeluck:huh new rules ? one of my junior's uncle called the hotline.... the next day briefing all tio from our CO -
the hotline is open ONLY AFTER THE DEATH OF OUR NSFs appeared in the NEWS/TV/MEDIA... then defence minister call for actions to prevent.
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anyway, some pple think they can use the hotline to shoot their superiors easily.... read: abuse of use. minor minor thing also complain.... thats y the hotline now like useless as the SOP is always go thru chain of command... army is regimental... not like at home, kena scold, go hide behind grandma... -
when i hear about soldiers calling the SAF hotline to complain, it makes me wonder if it's the superiors who are too harsh, or whether the soldier is just a weakling.
Looking at how the army conducts training now, my conclusion is....
that soldier is a weakling. -
Did you ask them what they complained about?Originally posted by Hellraiza:when i hear about soldiers calling the SAF hotline to complain, it makes me wonder if it's the superiors who are too harsh, or whether the soldier is just a weakling.
Looking at how the army conducts training now, my conclusion is....
that soldier is a weakling.
If not, how can you conclude that they are weakling?
How will you feel if you get beaten up by your superiors and you call the hotline and the hotline people say you are a weakling?
Must it always be a case of when someone gets ill treated until he goes into hospital or attempt to commit suicide than someone will call the hotline? It will be too late by than.. -
beaten up/ill treatment and complaining about minor matters are two different matters.Originally posted by near:Did you ask them what they complained about?
If not, how can you conclude that they are weakling?
How will you feel if you get beaten up by your superiors and you call the hotline and the hotline people say you are a weakling?
Must it always be a case of when someone gets ill treated until he goes into hospital or attempt to commit suicide than someone will call the hotline? It will be too late by than.. -
if things are done against directives, den they haf to be brought up n actions taken... the human race shld advance forward, not gg back to the times when a few reign the top n all others r slaves, when soldiers r treated worse than dogs, when soldiers who die in training simply vanish frm the surface of the earth w/o redress or die unreported, when soldiers eat rock rice...Originally posted by Hellraiza:when i hear about soldiers calling the SAF hotline to complain, it makes me wonder if it's the superiors who are too harsh, or whether the soldier is just a weakling.
Looking at how the army conducts training now, my conclusion is....
that soldier is a weakling. -
the hotline is 24 hours. i wonder how true is that?
i know how call centers works and in most cases after office hours, the hotline will get routed to a handphone will the person will take home. so even there are calls at nights it will be answered from that person's home.
so in the case of the SAF Hotline, i wonder what will happen if someone calls at night, say 3am.
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Not sure about that..but I did try calling at about 10pm and someone picked up..Originally posted by Gordonator:the hotline is 24 hours. i wonder how true is that?
i know how call centers works and in most cases after office hours, the hotline will get routed to a handphone will the person will take home. so even there are calls at nights it will be answered from that person's home.
so in the case of the SAF Hotline, i wonder what will happen if someone calls at night, say 3am.
Maybe you can try calling the hotline at 3am and than tell us what happen..You say you want to commit suicide and see whether they will send a whole group of police officers and civil defence forces down anot..lol -
Never call before so no idea,but from what i have heard and seen from forum,i think it serve as a wayang line only,and i think writing to MP for army things also useless ,cause MP where got so free bother about one little NSF or his parents,maybe if your parents is some big shot ,it might work loh,how come sooo many people think writing to MP got use??????
If got money and kena abuse in camp,i think searching for a lawyer might work loh,conclusion is,if u r rich ,u can do anything,u r poor then LL loh -
It will be routed to a call centre in India, Philippines, or maybe MalaysiaOriginally posted by Gordonator:the hotline is 24 hours. i wonder how true is that?
i know how call centers works and in most cases after office hours, the hotline will get routed to a handphone will the person will take home. so even there are calls at nights it will be answered from that person's home.
so in the case of the SAF Hotline, i wonder what will happen if someone calls at night, say 3am. -
Only lawyer works..Originally posted by KenPlus:Never call before so no idea,but from what i have heard and seen from forum,i think it serve as a wayang line only,and i think writing to MP for army things also useless ,cause MP where got so free bother about one little NSF or his parents,maybe if your parents is some big shot ,it might work loh,how come sooo many people think writing to MP got use??????
If got money and kena abuse in camp,i think searching for a lawyer might work loh,conclusion is,if u r rich ,u can do anything,u r poor then LL loh
MP don't work plus you get charged and send to DB for bypassing the chain of command.
Anything not happy with the army, just send them lawyer letter -
Originally posted by near:Only lawyer works..
MP don't work plus you get charged and send to DB for bypassing the chain of command.
Anything not happy with the army, just send them lawyer letter
wah, fierce. -
minor matters are still problems. if you go through chain of command, minor matters will just get lost. much good it will do.Originally posted by Hellraiza:beaten up/ill treatment and complaining about minor matters are two different matters.
of course big matter will prob get suppressed in chain of command
but then its jsut a wayang anyway -
in my NSF days (which wasnt that long ago), a PTE asked his parents to go n bang table in CMPB.Originally posted by hisoka:minor matters are still problems. if you go through chain of command, minor matters will just get lost. much good it will do.
of course big matter will prob get suppressed in chain of command
but then its jsut a wayang anyway
he lied about his PES status and all... but the CO still posted him out immediately... which was wat he wanted in the first place.
i just wanna say that the papa and mama power is still quite powerful. -
thats not minor problems. thats misbehavior by the conscript himselfOriginally posted by Ristar:in my NSF days (which wasnt that long ago), a PTE asked his mom to go n bang table in CMPB.
he lied about his PES status and all... but the CO still posted him out immediately... which was wat he wanted in the first place. -
no no... he lied abt his PES status to CMPB. not a misbehaviour when he approached CMPB because he havent committed it yet mah.Originally posted by hisoka:thats not minor problems. thats misbehavior by the conscript himself
er... my point is papa n mama is a superweapon... maybe the kengsters can try. haha... -
I kena told by one of the servicemen those kena bullied can directly military polie to seek justice already without having go thru SAF hotline.Originally posted by eac:the hotline is open ONLY AFTER THE DEATH OF OUR NSFs appeared in the NEWS/TV/MEDIA... then defence minister call for actions to prevent.
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anyway, some pple think they can use the hotline to shoot their superiors easily.... read: abuse of use. minor minor thing also complain.... thats y the hotline now like useless as the SOP is always go thru chain of command... army is regimental... not like at home, kena scold, go hide behind grandma... -
SAF hotline is more like a counselling hotline la....wadever u tell them, they will ask u to calm down....and seek alternatives
so dun waste ur time -
Yes..but lawyer power is still the bestOriginally posted by Ristar:in my NSF days (which wasnt that long ago), a PTE asked his parents to go n bang table in CMPB.
he lied about his PES status and all... but the CO still posted him out immediately... which was wat he wanted in the first place.
i just wanna say that the papa and mama power is still quite powerful.