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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Oh, here we go again. More fairy tales.
judging from his comments in the other NDU thread, he has no idea of the differences between recreational diving and military diving either
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Originally posted by av98m:
judging from his comments in the other NDU thread, he has no idea of the differences between recreational diving and military diving eitherYes, you are right. I do chamber dive in the past only, I dont wet dive.
And you have not read carefully on what I post again. Did I say you can immediately teach diving after you past out from NDU, no, you have to "apply for" .. read again. Besides, your cost does not include the medical checkout, boat rental, gear purchase/rental, plus alot of stuff, so it is not as simple as you think. That sunnto watch is already not cheap, and so is that diving camera.
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Originally posted by H&G:
Back pay is a 1 time lump sum of, I would say, appreciated money payable to CDOs for what they had gone thru after they had passed out as CDO fighter. During my time, it was ~$2K. Does current CDOs still get it? Need to ask the current CDOs then.
Cant understand wht u meant by "Only cdo from the leader section be selected from OCS?" I can only say...only those outstanding perfomers in CSLC can be selected for OCS.
Cant understand wht u meant by "What are the chances of cdo being at least a specialist( going to scs)?" Kindly rephase your question and what is SCS?
For your last question, In fact, I think I had wrote the phases down from CDO BMT till CDO fighter on my 7Aug, 3.10pm and 8Aug, 3.37pm mails. Pls go thru them slowly again. In short, other CDOs who do not go to CSLC will go to Vocation Training (VT) phase for their individual expertise trainings.
Oh I just meant what are the chances of Cdo recruits being at least a 3rd sgt? SCS is the new name for SISPEC (: so can cdo recruits not be selected for ant VT? does VT training equate to entering SISPEC and attaining the rank of 3rd sgt? Thanks!!
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wow its almost like he cant read :S.. i'm glad i read this thread before i asked any questions.. for the newbies here i suggest avoiding info from 'lokey' cos apparently he's one of those 5 year old cyber warriors.. you know the lot sitting behind the computers hours on end just misleding the naive people.. its disgraceful really , to see a fellow Singaporean expose this sort of behaviour :S..btw happy birthday Singapore!
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Originally posted by Bryann816a:
wow its almost like he cant read :S.. i'm glad i read this thread before i asked any questions.. for the newbies here i suggest avoiding info from 'lokey' cos apparently he's one of those 5 year old cyber warriors.. you know the lot sitting behind the computers hours on end just misleding the naive people.. its disgraceful really , to see a fellow Singaporean expose this sort of behaviour :S..btw happy birthday Singapore!
It is really a joke. For a kid, who have no idea, what is NS. Google it urself.
A small search yield this, A tip of an iceberg.There are plenty more.
http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/81840
Anyway, I am not interested to share any more informations. I dont want to get into trouble too, as I know too much.
Good Luck.
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Originally posted by Lokey:
Yes, you are right. I do chamber dive in the past only, I dont wet dive.
And you have not read carefully on what I post again. Did I say you can immediately teach diving after you past out from NDU, no, you have to "apply for" .. read again. Besides, your cost does not include the medical checkout, boat rental, gear purchase/rental, plus alot of stuff, so it is not as simple as you think. That sunnto watch is already not cheap, and so is that diving camera.
chamber dive and wet diving are of course totally different things.
I was pointing out why your post will give people the wrong impression with regards to certification as a civilian diving instructor. In case I did not make myself clear the first time, you cannot immediately apply to be a diving instructor after finishing NS in the NDU.
My estimated costing for the open water certification covers the theory classes, pool sessions, course materials, equipment rental, the 5 open water dives in malaysia (its cheaper if you choose to do your open water dives off pulau hantu), and the c-card. You don't pay anything additional up to that point.
and as far as I know, you don't get a free dive computer or underwater camera for completing ndu training either. And a dive computer is one of those nice to have but not essential items. ditto for the camera.
The divemaster or dive control specialist course will cost a lot more than that, and being a navy diver does not allow you to skip this stage. Typically people take anywhere from 3 to 6 months to complete this course. You can then go get yourself certified as an instructor.
Now, if the NDU guy decides that recreational diving is not for him, he can also get himself trained as a commercial diver and get paid doing underwater maintainence, salvage and emergency response. The training path for this is completely different as well.
Surviving NDU training definitely gives you a huge advantage over others but it doesn't allow you to actually skip any steps.
oh, and don't try blowing any more smoke up my ass, I am commenting on the recreational diving portion of your bullshit only because I am a recreational diver and trained together with some ex-NDU guys for my dive control specialist certification
those 'mouthpieces' are called 2nd stages btw, the 1st stage is the portion that attacheds to your tank.
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Originally posted by Lokey:
Anyway, I am not interested to share any more informations. I dont want to get into trouble too, as I know too much.
Oh.. Thanks God...you finally awoke!
Ya..we understand...you know too much...if you tell us too much...u have to kill us right?
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Originally posted by av98m:
chamber dive and wet diving are of course totally different things.
I was pointing out why your post will give people the wrong impression with regards to certification as a civilian diving instructor. In case I did not make myself clear the first time, you cannot immediately apply to be a diving instructor after finishing NS in the NDU.
My estimated costing for the open water certification covers the theory classes, pool sessions, course materials, equipment rental, the 5 open water dives in malaysia (its cheaper if you choose to do your open water dives off pulau hantu), and the c-card. You don't pay anything additional up to that point.
and as far as I know, you don't get a free dive computer or underwater camera for completing ndu training either. And a dive computer is one of those nice to have but not essential items. ditto for the camera.
The divemaster or dive control specialist course will cost a lot more than that, and being a navy diver does not allow you to skip this stage. Typically people take anywhere from 3 to 6 months to complete this course. You can then go get yourself certified as an instructor.
Now, if the NDU guy decides that recreational diving is not for him, he can also get himself trained as a commercial diver and get paid doing underwater maintainence, salvage and emergency response. The training path for this is completely different as well.
Surviving NDU training definitely gives you a huge advantage over others but it doesn't allow you to actually skip any steps.
oh, and don't try blowing any more smoke up my ass, I am commenting on the recreational diving portion of your bullshit only because I am a recreational diver and trained together with some ex-NDU guys for my dive control specialist certification
those 'mouthpieces' are called 2nd stages btw, the 1st stage is the portion that attacheds to your tank.
Hi av98m,
Like to know more ppls here. Were u formerly a CDO or NDU or others? I was formerly from 1st Coy, 92' batch, 1st CDO Bn. Used to be a recreational diver too.
Nice to meet you.
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Originally posted by S.s.k:
Oh I just meant what are the chances of Cdo recruits being at least a 3rd sgt? SCS is the new name for SISPEC (: so can cdo recruits not be selected for ant VT? does VT training equate to entering SISPEC and attaining the rank of 3rd sgt? Thanks!!
Hi Ssk,
I presume you were talking abt what chances of CDO recruits being at least a CDO 3SG? That will be around 30-50 out of 250.
If you are a CDO recruit, you will breed and raise there till you become a CDO fighter. Not possible to go out of Hendon and take SCS be a 3SG. SCS trains infantry operation, not CDO operation. Morever, we have our own CSLC, remember?
All CDOs must go thru VT. That was why I mentioned earlier, CDO BMT-->BCT-->VT--BAC-->Fighter.
And I doubt VT training equate to entering SISPEC and attaining the rank of 3rd sgt. So far, never heard of that.
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Originally posted by Lokey:
It is really a joke. For a kid, who have no idea, what is NS. Google it urself.
Now this is the real joke. This asshole's got no idea, and then he makes things worse by making up fairytales.
Lokey's hypocrisy is thoroughly sickening.
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Originally posted by H&G:
Back pay is a 1 time lump sum of, I would say, appreciated money payable to CDOs for what they had gone thru after they had passed out as CDO fighter. During my time, it was ~$2K. Does current CDOs still get it? Need to ask the current CDOs then.
Just to expand on this, the back pay comprises of vocational pay for each month leading up to the day that you receive your red beret. In my time (and I believe H&G's as well), this was $150 per month Commando vocational pay, over and above what another NSF of equal rank would earn. You would only qualify for this vocational pay once you have actually been fully assigned to the vocation, i.e. you have earned you beret and can therefore be counted as a Commando.
In my company, there were two hard-luck cases. Both guys had fractured their vertebrae during BCT, and by the time they had been diagnosed as such by the MO, they had gutted out the remaining six months of their training and earned the beret. Unfortunately, both guys received their diagnoses and were downgraded on the same day (less than a week after we got our berets), so not only did they lose the red beret, they didn't receive their back pay either.
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Originally posted by av98m:
chamber dive and wet diving are of course totally different things.
I was pointing out why your post will give people the wrong impression with regards to certification as a civilian diving instructor. In case I did not make myself clear the first time, you cannot immediately apply to be a diving instructor after finishing NS in the NDU.
My estimated costing for the open water certification covers the theory classes, pool sessions, course materials, equipment rental, the 5 open water dives in malaysia (its cheaper if you choose to do your open water dives off pulau hantu), and the c-card. You don't pay anything additional up to that point.
and as far as I know, you don't get a free dive computer or underwater camera for completing ndu training either. And a dive computer is one of those nice to have but not essential items. ditto for the camera.
The divemaster or dive control specialist course will cost a lot more than that, and being a navy diver does not allow you to skip this stage. Typically people take anywhere from 3 to 6 months to complete this course. You can then go get yourself certified as an instructor.
Now, if the NDU guy decides that recreational diving is not for him, he can also get himself trained as a commercial diver and get paid doing underwater maintainence, salvage and emergency response. The training path for this is completely different as well.
Surviving NDU training definitely gives you a huge advantage over others but it doesn't allow you to actually skip any steps.
oh, and don't try blowing any more smoke up my ass, I am commenting on the recreational diving portion of your bullshit only because I am a recreational diver and trained together with some ex-NDU guys for my dive control specialist certification
those 'mouthpieces' are called 2nd stages btw, the 1st stage is the portion that attacheds to your tank.
And there you go. All one needs to do is look at what av has written and compare it to the bullshit that Lokey spews, and it's glaringly obvious that Lokey's spinning yet another fairytale based upon snippets that he's picked up from what other people have either told him, or crap that he's "overheard" in his "gym".
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Originally posted by H&G:
Hi Ssk,
I presume you were talking abt what chances of CDO recruits being at least a CDO 3SG? That will be around 30-50 out of 250.
If you are a CDO recruit, you will breed and raise there till you become a CDO fighter. Not possible to go out of Hendon and take SCS be a 3SG. SCS trains infantry operation, not CDO operation. Morever, we have our own CSLC, remember?
All CDOs must go thru VT. That was why I mentioned earlier, CDO BMT-->BCT-->VT--BAC-->Fighter.
And I doubt VT training equate to entering SISPEC and attaining the rank of 3rd sgt. So far, never heard of that.
Whoa that's really low chances. So there will be many cdo with ranks of private and CPL etc? Nonetheless, being a cdo fighter is already a cool feat (:
Initially I thought that cdo who went through VT are considered specialist, hence are specialist cadet already. Isn't is the case? I had a senior who came back school to take his A lvl result in maybe late feb to march, but he already got 3 white stripes. That's specialist rank right?
Lastly, HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINGAPORE! I'm gonna stay home to watch at least the military segment of the parade!
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Originally posted by S.s.k:
Oh I just meant what are the chances of Cdo recruits being at least a 3rd sgt? SCS is the new name for SISPEC (: so can cdo recruits not be selected for ant VT? does VT training equate to entering SISPEC and attaining the rank of 3rd sgt? Thanks!!
As a Commando, you will have one of the following vocations:
- leader (officer or 3SG)
- weapons man (in my company the weapons men on the GPMGs or SAWs were section leaders)
- demolitions man
- signaller
- medic
- sniperBack in my day you could also be sent for training to be part of the 84mm mortar platoon, although my understanding is that these days it's been replaced by the Milan platoon.
In terms of rank, the leaders will all be 3SGs while some of these leaders will go to OCS. The remaining men will be corporals.
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Originally posted by H&G:
Hi av98m,
Like to know more ppls here. Were u formerly a CDO or NDU or others? I was formerly from 1st Coy, 92' batch, 1st CDO Bn. Used to be a recreational diver too.
Nice to meet you.
hi there. nope, I was a clerk in mindef hq for my entire ns. I pop in occasionally to be entertained by lokey. -
Originally posted by H&G:
Oh.. Thanks God...you finally awoke!
Ya..we understand...you know too much...if you tell us too much...u have to kill us right?
Don't pop the champagne yet, man. If history repeats itself, this shithead's going to come back a couple of times to tell us how he doesn't have time to talk to us.
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Originally posted by S.s.k:
Whoa that's really low chances. So there will be many cdo with ranks of private and CPL etc? Nonetheless, being a cdo fighter is already a cool feat (:
Initially I thought that cdo who went through VT are considered specialist, hence are specialist cadet already. Isn't is the case? I had a senior who came back school to take his A lvl result in maybe late feb to march, but he already got 3 white stripes. That's specialist rank right?
Lastly, HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINGAPORE! I'm gonna stay home to watch at least the military segment of the parade!
Hi,As what Gedanken had said, all had gone thru BCT will become CPL. CDOs are at least CPL rank.
If I am not wrong as I did not go to OCS, those 3 white stripes mean Tri-state? That OCS cadet is coming close to become officer. Can anyone confirm this?
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Don't pop the champagne yet, man. If history repeats itself, this shithead's going to come back a couple of times to tell us how he doesn't have time to talk to us.
I shared your view too.But he was the one who told the world he is not interested to share any more informations and doesnt want to get into trouble too..........
Shame on him if he returns.
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Well how much are cdo paid monthly when they first enter? when I went for the VA, my IC said it was 790. isit true? and are cdo mono-intake or non mono-intake? why does many websites says that officers and specalist are chosen from only non-mono-intake BMT?
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Originally posted by av98m:
chamber dive and wet diving are of course totally different things.
I was pointing out why your post will give people the wrong impression with regards to certification as a civilian diving instructor. In case I did not make myself clear the first time, you cannot immediately apply to be a diving instructor after finishing NS in the NDU.
My estimated costing for the open water certification covers the theory classes, pool sessions, course materials, equipment rental, the 5 open water dives in malaysia (its cheaper if you choose to do your open water dives off pulau hantu), and the c-card. You don't pay anything additional up to that point.
and as far as I know, you don't get a free dive computer or underwater camera for completing ndu training either. And a dive computer is one of those nice to have but not essential items. ditto for the camera.
The divemaster or dive control specialist course will cost a lot more than that, and being a navy diver does not allow you to skip this stage. Typically people take anywhere from 3 to 6 months to complete this course. You can then go get yourself certified as an instructor.
Now, if the NDU guy decides that recreational diving is not for him, he can also get himself trained as a commercial diver and get paid doing underwater maintainence, salvage and emergency response. The training path for this is completely different as well.
Surviving NDU training definitely gives you a huge advantage over others but it doesn't allow you to actually skip any steps.
oh, and don't try blowing any more smoke up my ass, I am commenting on the recreational diving portion of your bullshit only because I am a recreational diver and trained together with some ex-NDU guys for my dive control specialist certification
those 'mouthpieces' are called 2nd stages btw, the 1st stage is the portion that attacheds to your tank.
Yes. You are right and good to make it clear to be more detailed in every perspectives.
But to me, it is quite common sense to note that the cert and training given by the SAF is not recognized in civilian context.
Things such as paramedic, abseiling, driving, motor riding .. and more, it is necessary for re-certification and on-job training. Although, it post some advantages but one still to go for some recourses.
And FYI, I am not a NDU medic. And NDU medic dont dive with NDU men at all. In fact, the NDU boys are on their own most of the time.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Don't pop the champagne yet, man. If history repeats itself, this shithead's going to come back a couple of times to tell us how he doesn't have time to talk to us.
Why not? I am not going to share the information, it does not equal to any other things, boys.
There is something wrong about the posting that I made earlier.
What is the OOC rate of the commando course? I do say something that I am not sure, but no one point out.
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lokey....why on earth do u wanna know??most normal sporeans would ask whats for lunch n dinner.
lokey....ya not sporean right?tis ok......if u like being a commando u can sign on wiv them.
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Originally posted by Terminator Hitman:
lokey....why on earth do u wanna know??most normal sporeans would ask whats for lunch n dinner.
lokey....ya not sporean right?tis ok......if u like being a commando u can sign on wiv them.
Get ur point. But there were plenty of OOC ex-commando trainees in my combat medic courses (at least in my batch). I wasn't given much thoughts at that time until now.
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why dun ya go fer yer dreams......
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Originally posted by Lokey:
Why not? I am not going to share the information, it does not equal to any other things, boys.
H&G, I'm not the kind of guy who says I told you so, but ...