Guards / Commandos / Rangers / NDU FAQ
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Originally posted by Lokey:
S.s.k. I have replied to you in reference to your previous posting. You are talking about if you are pre-selected for NDU prior to CDO. My answer is NO, it is random, at THIS stage (after the medical screening and other clearances) And that is why we can end up with turban wearer and mild myopia case in NDU (at my time).
If you are talking about Regulars, then "Yes". If you can shoot they will "recommend" you to CDO, else dive. BUT depends of vacancies, they will might "recommend" you to either elite departments as a spec.
You mean ndu divers need to have perfect eyesight? pardon me, but for what purpose? I'd like to know more about the commando training during BMT. Like how does it differ from Tekong etc (: thanks!
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Originally posted by S.s.k:
You mean ndu divers need to have perfect eyesight? pardon me, but for what purpose? I'd like to know more about the commando training during BMT. Like how does it differ from Tekong etc (: thanks!
Think it's smth to do with getting the mask and equipment on? not too sure. tougher PT. longer field camp(dependant on OC), tougher field camp. U book out on SAT. but more pride. Makes it worthwhile if, like me, u love the formation. You do Basic airborne selection during BMT too. -
Whoa I didn't know cdo booked out on sat! Book out sat book in next day? sucks man.
Any other trainings that differentiate cdo from others? haha thanks (:
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Originally posted by S.s.k:
You mean ndu divers need to have perfect eyesight? pardon me, but for what purpose? I'd like to know more about the commando training during BMT. Like how does it differ from Tekong etc (: thanks!
For divers, they need to dive with diving googles. So if you dont have perfect eyesight, you are blind with googles on. Although, there are a period of time, when they do trial with lasik for regulars, and also embedded lens, but it does not seems to work out either.
Actually, if you wear spec for CDO it is also quite troublesome, although they do take in people with mild myopia.
BMT CDO training.... humm they do SOC with sand can,faster run timing, lots of leopard crawl in the bunk, and many funny stuffs (I will leave the CDO and Ex-CDO) to feed you with details. In tekong, SOC is optional (I failed SOC but I still POP), IPPT just need to pass (combat 2.4 km run timing is lower than CDO, guards timing). Basically CDO BMT is more siao and xiong than Tekong.
The OOC rate of CDO is high.You already have one downgraded personnel here. Another of mine friend also is ex Pes A, ex-runner, but cannt run now due to injury at the knee during one of the para-jump. So take care of yourself.
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Originally posted by S.s.k:
I'd like to know more about the commando training during BMT. Like how does it differ from Tekong etc (: thanks!
That's a bit difficult to answer. To state the obvious, if you wanted a purely objective view, you'd have to ask someone who's attended or conducted BMT at both Tekong and Hendon (or Pasir Ris as the case may be these days). As far as I know, nobody on the forum fits this bill.
Speaking broadly, I'd agree with jus-tea (Against All Odds, bro!
). In Commando BMT, you still learn the basic skills, but you'll be pushed just that little bit further than your peers at Tekong. All you need to do is keep a level head, make sure you follow instructions, look out for your team more than for yourself and most of all, don't look for the finish line - you're done when your instructor says you're done. -
Originally posted by S.s.k:
I'd like to know more about the commando training during BMT.
Hi Ssk,From start of CDO BMT, you will be constantly reminded that you are a CDO recruit, that is why you are trained to walk faster, run faster and perform better.
For CDO BMT, wow.. to me..it was like lots of physical trainings + IFC + field camp + rifle PT and of course..the notorious 'Tekan'. Wonder do they still have the famous culture which we called 'Turn out' after BMT?
Not to scare you, you will be surprised to see thousands of ways that trainers tekan the recruits. So long as you are not singled out or blacklisted, just endure thru together with the rest. You will be fine. Just get mentally and physically prepare before you join CDO.
And of course when BCT, it has more runs, more marchs, more trainings but less tekan, I felt.
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i dun think all tekan in past did any help to all the commandos
reason being:
1)commandoes were severley injured by a single farmer in thailand and no retaliation was made
2)commandoes were even robbed by a street thug in some shitty countryside in australia and funniest thing is they actually gave the robber $$thousands.
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so the whole logic is:why on earth are you tekaning yer commandoes for??the purpose of tekaning is meant to indoctrine the act of attacking the enemy be it in joe or no joe territory when enemy approaches or suffer greatly.
????it kinda defeats tekan principle really when all they end up is being victms of robbery or attacks made not by warriors from another country but by mere farmers n street hoodlums.
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Originally posted by Terminator Hitman:
i dun think all tekan in past did any help to all the commandos
reason being:
1)commandoes were severley injured by a single farmer in thailand and no retaliation was made
2)commandoes were even robbed by a street thug in some shitty countryside in australia and funniest thing is they actually gave the robber $$thousands.
h&G if u're referring to Thunderstorm, yes it is still in play
Firstly, it's Commandos.
1) My friend, if you have EVER done Atec before, you would know that we carry blanks. What retaliation would suffice? scaring the enemy into oblivion with the sound of gunfire? Commandos are human too, and yes we DO get injured by bullets
2) If your story is even true (what's your source), what would you have expected the soldier(s) to have done? "Commando" the armed assailant, kill them with their own weapons and wipe the blood off the blade with his red beret? You watch one too many of the "rambo" series my friend.
The act of "tekan-ing" is apparent in the armed forces to instill discipline in the soliders and is especially apparent in Basic training as the enlistees were civilians and unaccustomed to the military life. Discipline and respect for orders are vital in the armed forces, if you can't follow orders in times of peace, how can you follow orders in times of war? when confusion/fear/anguish engulfs you as bullets fly, sharpnel rains and you comrades die? -
Originally posted by jus-tea:Firstly, it's Commandos.
1) My friend, if you have EVER done Atec before, you would know that we carry blanks. What retaliation would suffice? scaring the enemy into oblivion with the sound of gunfire? Commandos are human too, and yes we DO get injured by bullets
2) If your story is even true (what's your source), what would you have expected the soldier(s) to have done? "Commando" the armed assailant, kill them with their own weapons and wipe the blood off the blade with his red beret? You watch one too many of the "rambo" series my friend.
The act of "tekan-ing" is apparent in the armed forces to instill discipline in the soliders and is especially apparent in Basic training as the enlistees were civilians and unaccustomed to the military life. Discipline and respect for orders are vital in the armed forces, if you can't follow orders in times of peace, how can you follow orders in times of war? when confusion/fear/anguish engulfs you as bullets fly, sharpnel rains and you comrades die?jus-tea, you're replying to a weedy little poof who ran away from Singapore like a little girl because he couldn't pass IPPT, so now he has to make up for it by hiding behind his keyboard and talking like a big fuck with ridiculous references to fantasy macho characters. I wouldn't waste the time and effort if I were you.
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just tea,
eh???i am a warrior...i dun understand what just came outa yer head.as a warrior be it commando or not ,u are not supposed to depend too much on yer spears , firearms etc .That would be like a drug addict...without yer sustinence on drugs, u are no longer able to breed and be a warrior.Bullets.....if u run out of it..use yer weapon as a club....if u have no weapon..use yer bayonet....if u have none...go strangle the farmer or thug with yer bare hands.thats war.
excuse me but arent commandoes suposed to be a rambo or almost that stage??ya not supposed to be regular infantry. u are supposed to be hunters born n retrained again as one..perhaps i should email the commando unit trainer to construct an approximate 90kg steel weight to be dropped on every commandoes head with a helmet to innoculate even better commandoes.seems like the commandoes need a review of training methods..tekan doesnt build up a man.the sources could be true,,,but most wished it as falsified info.it was true most countries like indonesia and malaysia would have positioned their troops n taunted spores defence might.we aint living with good neighbours. it could be false.
but if they tekan their men so badly that they will not be able to think n function properly as fighting machines then why bother even having a commando unit??might as well rename them as another guards or SIR unit.
they try to train you into a rambo but u ended up....................
whenever a foreign army sees one of the tougher military units of another country.....the foreign general would be shocked just by the mere sight of the special helmet of that special military unit.pretty much like a blowtorch amongst the files n hammer in a workshop.that military unit would be the blowtorch that is able to melt down and wipe out all traces of the other military tools.....remember....u are the military commando..not another standard infantry unit.if yer orders are to wipe out an entire kampong with every man woman child dog n cat....those are yer orders!
but due to the effects of tekan .......ya cant exactly protect yerselves from a thai rice farmer even.so situation now is what are u goin to do with that thai rice farmer ???let bygones be bygones??baygon is the answer???i expect ex-commandoes to go back to thailand and at least do something.
thats where u folks cant compete with the us army or other better armies with better warriors.u dont need to hiss n curse like a mad dog all the time n ekan n call names....thats a sign of....bitchiness and not macho in reality.:)
in the us army even the us regular forces in oz actually beat the crap out of aussie airmen who barged into the u.s. peoples taxi and share it.that aussie airman ended up in a coma.so if an aussie potato farmer barged into the us people taxi n tried sharing it .....think its worse for theaussie potato farmer.thats what commandos should be like....not let some farmer run away and even talk n poke jibes at some unfortunate commando unit.
really the commandoes need to change in their indoctrination process in getting rambos....if they didnt want rambos they would have been quietly contented with another SIR unit.
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ged,
ya one of the girls from that changi commando camp arent u????
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
jus-tea, you're replying to a weedy little poof who ran away from Singapore like a little girl because he couldn't pass IPPT, so now he has to make up for it by hiding behind his keyboard and talking like a big fuck with ridiculous references to fantasy macho characters. I wouldn't waste the time and effort if I were you.
What is he? 12? like lokey, he's entertainment.=)Terminator Hitman: you are a warrior? what makes u think so? Oh sure, so a company sized SF soldiers are to manually kill a farmer? Did your "warrior" instincts tell u of the political unrest that might arise from your "warrior" act? Thai papers would read, "singaporean Commandos kill innocent local farmer" The people would rebel, political ties with SG will be strained. Asean would be strained.
HAHAHA yes cdo are trained to be rambos. 1 man vs 100 men with 2 GPMGs in hand and we'll never get shot, cookoff or run out of ammo. Yup u're right. hahahahahahhahaha.
So if the recruits don't listen, move sluggishly or do not perform, do we ask them... nicely? hahaha.
So are you telling me that GUARDS aren't able to "think n function properly as fighting machines "?
In a broad sense Hardship, "tekan" and operational training are essential to an elite unit. I don't know where your studies, info etc comes from. A simple example of how the above produces elites, Rangers. And if you don't already know, Rangers lead the way.
Please do email them, do CC mindef and ISD while you're at it? remember to leave your name and NIRC=)
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justtea,
treat them like pulau tekong.and yes.....commandos are supposed to fight in the middle of nowhere surrounded by an army against all odds.thats why they trained u so hard.
guards,SIR all combat units are standard soldiers and do their role equally well as designated.
it is u the commandos who should outshine.rangers are nort supposed to take down thai rice farmers.
stop fooling yerself.u know what kinda soldier u got when they cant get hold of a thai farmer who shot,injured yer folks n ran away.so which soldier in spore army will hold up 2 gpmg and fire away???the combat engineers??the guardsman??the airforce pilot???the medic???the recruits at bmt???no,its u the commandos!
would rather have thai newspapers that says spore commando kills thai farmer than the newspaper that says farmer kills spore commando.
mindef n isd ??i dunno if they are up to it.they have other more important jobs like feeding and arming commandos who cant fight n protect themselves.
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yes....i will leave my rank name and ic number.
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if that news were to get out saying commando killed farmer then he is a drunk commando.
if news dont get out and farmer goes missing up to today then commando will be nominated for special forces and will come out wiv flying colours.
its very simple really.
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ok...im going to eat some thom yam soup.....nice chattin wiv ya all.good bye...u may now all continue yer talk wiv lokey.:)
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Originally posted by jus-tea:
What is he? 12? like lokey, he's entertainment.=)That's just his mental age, and even then I think it would be a compliment.
It's just a case of weedy little losers whose existence is so miserable they're compelled to run away to their fantasy lands, and then share their fantasies with the world so they don't feel like such dropkicks.
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????go on...fool yerself.....tell the world ya great warriors with all those medals n stuff.but in reality......ya probably worse off than some thai farmer....mebbe thai assistant farmer . if thats fantasy.....then ya havent woken up yet.
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real losers should be the ommandos...kommandos.... wadever. i guess ya wont wake up until yer entire battalion gets wiped out by a group of thai rice farmers on a ox drawn carriage....and a donkey with a kid on it.
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Oh, by the way, he's been crying about girls walking past and ignoring him like the weak little lowlife that he is.
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Do post their reply=)
And if they didn't get hold of the farmer. how would they have known that it was a farmer who fired the shot in the first place? Food for thought ;)
"if that news were to get out saying commando killed farmer then he is a drunk commando.
if news dont get out and farmer goes missing up to today then commando will be nominated for special forces and will come out wiv flying colours.
its very simple really."
What in the world are you talking abt?
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Originally posted by jus-tea:What in the world are you talking abt?
I'd wager you'd have to wait for the medication to kick in before you get an answer, and even then there's no guarantee that it'll make any more sense than the present bucket of garbage that he's spilt here.
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just tea,
never mind.next time when u goto thailand as a commando....they will treat u lower in respect than the thai farmer not only by the villagers but by the local police too.hoi!!u are not armoured infantry or some striipers dressed up for a haloween party!!!u are kommandos!!
.......it dun make sense cuz ya cant begin to think in the first place.oh well next time if yer entire platoon of kommandos gets wiped out by a few rice n vegetable farmers and a few butchers dun come crying out on tv and newspapers for not being able to get hold of them and turn them into satay.
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hell....if they wento to japan to train there u would end up severely injured by a sushi maker n his sushi knife.
oh gawd....what a waste of resources!!