Mob briefing
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I gotten a bloody SAF 100 to attend a MOB brief at my unit somewhere in Sept.
However, by Sept I would already be studying in Uni. Since I haven't matriculated, I guess they assume I am not studying and can be recalled.
But, once I send them my matriculation notice, I would be exempt from that Mob Briefing and whatever call-up until I finish my studies. Am I right?
I have no intention of having to affect my studies to do this crap. -
thats right. Fuc* them.
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nope not exempt. they can still call you back during weekends and whenver dun clash with your uni de if i not wrong. but normally they will defer you except for holidaysOriginally posted by jianfish9:I gotten a bloody SAF 100 to attend a MOB brief at my unit somewhere in Sept.
However, by Sept I would already be studying in Uni. Since I haven't matriculated, I guess they assume I am not studying and can be recalled.
But, once I send them my matriculation notice, I would be exempt from that Mob Briefing and whatever call-up until I finish my studies. Am I right?
I have no intention of having to affect my studies to do this crap. -
i'm also entering uni tis year.. and from what i know..
for mob manning.. as long as it's conducted in the weekend you have to go.
but but... still try to defer and use exams/school/wadever as a reason.. because mob manning is not ICT... the more you siam, the better!
and no i'm not a chao keng kia.. just that mob is quite a waste of time....
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Its on a weekday morning. Friday IIRC.
My holidays are covered, I already planned all my overseas hols.
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As long as it's a one-day event, you have to go. That's what I know lah.
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Don't think you will be exempted. During my reservist unit's first few ICTs, a large number of people are still studying in NUS, NTU etc. But the incamps and manning are still go on as per normal. Only thing they are exempted was RT. They still have to go IPPT, but were exempted RT. Our CO then was a NTU lecturer and he plans all ICT in such a way that they don't crash with the NTU schedule. Those studying there can't even smoke him out using NTU schedule as excuse cus he can easily check.
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No exemptions. Heck, I kena Recall IC itself when I was in NUS. Of all people, my commander was my 2IC too! Between us, we were in charge of one quarter of the island, but neither of us were actually based in that sector since we were staying at the campus hostel on the other side of the island!
For a while, the SAF would've assigned me a "chaffeured" Land Rover, before I was told to take taxis & claim the money instead. Luckily, my detachment ICs were all contactable, so I never needed to go down to their houses (or do their jobs for them).
I can remember being activated twice during those 4 years, with the first one a problem cuz it was open mob &, other than using a transistor radio or someone calling my beeper, I couldn't do manning at all. (No TV or private phone in my room, & cheap handphones were way into the future. In those days, we were supposed to call back every 2 hours on weekends for updates.) Imagine scrambling home to change into uniform, & then "bisecting" to another part of the island for reporting.
Be prepared to attend ICT during your off-term time too, if they still maintain the IHL-unit system. -
wa your co ex-regular ?Originally posted by cairocks:Don't think you will be exempted. During my reservist unit's first few ICTs, a large number of people are still studying in NUS, NTU etc. But the incamps and manning are still go on as per normal. Only thing they are exempted was RT. They still have to go IPPT, but were exempted RT. Our CO then was a NTU lecturer and he plans all ICT in such a way that they don't crash with the NTU schedule. Those studying there can't even smoke him out using NTU schedule as excuse cus he can easily check. -
is Ops Manning and Mob briefing the same thing?
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I will gotta have to mail my matriculation over and do a check with them.
If they still insist that I come back to for my mob brief even if it does clash with my schedule then I guess I have to seek further help.
Perhaps have to write a letter or find my MP.
Seriously, I got till like 40yrs old to do all this crap, no need to rush and affect my studies.
And I don't even believe it is worth a second of my time. Especially when it is during my studies and not even compensated for. -
si mi si Ops Manning and Mob BriefingOriginally posted by Gordonator:is Ops Manning and Mob briefing the same thing? 
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Not very helpful.Originally posted by Quiet Guy:si mi si Ops Manning and Mob Briefing 
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mob briefing only half day event...3hrs briefing nia...then after that eat and mingle..went for mine in february during school week
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Seriously, I got till like 40yrs old to do all this crap, no need to rush and affect my studies. And I don't even believe it is worth a second of my time. Especially when it is during my studies and not even compensated for.
Hahaha, boy are you in for a major letdown. Forewarning: Even if you study Engineering & is supposed to do industral attachment during the long vacations, your company must still release you for ICT if your unit calls you up.
As for the mob briefing, I note you didn't mention if it involves your whole unit or only certain personnel. (Try calling your mates up to check informally.) In any case, things are apparently a lot easier & automated now -- so much so they can repeatedly bombard you with non-stop phone calls until you answer, or so I've heard. It's been a while since my unit stood down, so no idea if the SAF still use ICs as the (accountable) backup system for silent mob.
I dunno how coincidental this was, but my IHL outfit used to "arrow" its undergrad reservists to "bao" all the recall-IC jobs for the first few years too! At least these appointees get rotated later on since, after all, our unit strength was only has a couple of hundreds strong, no one wanted to do these duties forever & yet they must farmed out.is Ops Manning and Mob briefing the same thing?
You mean Mob Manning?
The briefing precedes the manning, which is the real exercise (inc. any activation). Mob briefings are conducted prior to the end of ICTs too. These sessions serve to remind the codewords, the timings & the SOPs, etc. -
From what I know, you're not suppose to be going out of country during your manning period. Better check again in case later kenna charged with AWOL and dun even know why.Originally posted by jianfish9:Its on a weekday morning. Friday IIRC.
My holidays are covered, I already planned all my overseas hols. 
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when you informed through www.ns.sg oversea notificationOriginally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:From what I know, you're not suppose to be going out of country during your manning period. Better check again in case later kenna charged with AWOL and dun even know why.
for your those date during manning period
your name will not be in master name list for manning period.
thus even if you return back unit in the case of open MOB.
your attendance will not even be counted.
and that most less likely silence MOB, how the hell you will know.
but not very happy, while oversea, area IC keep calling my mobile phone.
incur heavy non business related IDD roaming charges.
called back unit, they then checked my name in the excuse list, so need not report back. -
i like to help, but than mine is more than 10 years agoOriginally posted by jianfish9:Not very helpful. 
the advantage to go is that you will get vocation pay mah
and also can give Name Cards to your fellow mates
CHeers.. -
They haven't even notified me of my manning period at all, if any. So since I have already notified that I am going overseas I will be excused from the manning or whatever. And I plan to go on overseas holiday every single holiday I get till I start work. At least when I am working, they will have to compensate my pay.Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:From what I know, you're not suppose to be going out of country during your manning period. Better check again in case later kenna charged with AWOL and dun even know why.
All my ICT high-key or not is stay out. But I still don't think its worth my time going back. I just hope that I do not have to go to the trouble of finding my MP. -
So since I have already notified that I am going overseas I will be excused from the manning or whatever.
I didn't get it -- you'll be overseas during the mob-briefing day or the entire mob-manning week? Yes, the unit can excuse you (just make sure your passport reflects your departure/arrival) but not one from the other. The SAF can charge you if you're still in S'pore but don't report during either of the two events.But I still don't think its worth my time going back.
~shrug~ Your puasa. Having gone through the 13-yr cycle, I found your earlier quip about "got till 40 yrs old to do this crap" to be mightily naive. My tip would be not to siam anything -- esp. in the early years. Yes, it's very inconvenient & the initial regimentation won't go down well. But once you settle into reservist life, you'll instinctively see my point.
Most lao-jiao peng "feared" two things most: (a) doing IPPT when they hit 30something, & (b) posted in mid-cycle to a newly ORDed unit. So they would report for every call-up (ICT, mob, FFI, parade, whatever) &, true enough, there's an ultimate payoff. As long as the CO noted their attendence & kept their names on his nominal roll, they would be transferred together post-cycle as a unit to the MINDEF reserves. Meaning no more callups, IPPT, mob mannings, etc. for the remaining 5 years or so of their liability.
But their peers who still "owed" any ICTs, or who were posted in during mid-cycle, or were on the holding list, etc. -- they must continue to do IPPT &/or, worst of all, to join another unit for their ICT (& mobs).
Unit performance itself usually peak during the 5th or 6th ICT -- I know, cuz me & my peers went through it -- after which diminishing returns set in as many enter middle management or run their own businesses or start families in their civilian lives. (The SAF recognized this, by cutting down the high-key ICTs to 7 & finishing out with the minor BIT sessions.) In other words, a unit tends to start winding down as its troops enter their late 20s. So imagine the envious faces during these times when (a) those "IOU" cases must do makeup elsewhere, or be posted out altogether, & (b) some unwilling holdovers kena mobilisation ICs, or get recycled on as KAHs.
You're only setting yourself for such a fate, unless you plan to be based overseas from now until past 40. To forewarn, it can be gruelling trying to juggle persistent reservist commitments when one hit the 30s. IMO Better off eating the "medicine" now, rather than later. -
Anyway, just checked with my unit. I will be excused. Case closed. My unit doesn't practise call-up of NSmen during their Uni term for ICT also.
Anyway, if I downgrade to Pes C, I know I will be excused from IPPT, but will I still be liable for reservist since I have changed my Pes status?
Thinking of having to go for RT is sian. Lucky, I about to enter Uni only, still got some time to siam. -
I agree with u...suffer 1st den enjoy laterOriginally posted by blitzonic:~shrug~ Your puasa. Having gone through the 13-yr cycle, I found your earlier quip about "got till 40 yrs old to do this crap" to be mightily naive. My tip would be not to siam anything -- esp. in the early years. Yes, it's very inconvenient & the initial regimentation won't go down well. But once you settle into reservist life, you'll instinctively see my point.
Most lao-jiao peng "feared" two things most: (a) doing IPPT when they hit 30something, & (b) posted in mid-cycle to a newly ORDed unit. So they would report for every call-up (ICT, mob, FFI, parade, whatever) &, true enough, there's an ultimate payoff. As long as the CO noted their attendence & kept their names on his nominal roll, they would be transferred together post-cycle as a unit to the MINDEF reserves. Meaning no more callups, IPPT, mob mannings, etc. for the remaining 5 years or so of their liability.
But their peers who still "owed" any ICTs, or who were posted in during mid-cycle, or were on the holding list, etc. -- they must continue to do IPPT &/or, worst of all, to join another unit for their ICT (& mobs).
Unit performance itself usually peak during the 5th or 6th ICT -- I know, cuz me & my peers went through it -- after which diminishing returns set in as many enter middle management or run their own businesses or start families in their civilian lives. (The SAF recognized this, by cutting down the high-key ICTs to 7 & finishing out with the minor BIT sessions.) In other words, a unit tends to start winding down as its troops enter their late 20s. So imagine the envious faces during these times when (a) those "IOU" cases must do makeup elsewhere, or be posted out altogether, & (b) some unwilling holdovers kena mobilisation ICs, or get recycled on as KAHs.
You're only setting yourself for such a fate, unless you plan to be based overseas from now until past 40. To forewarn, it can be gruelling trying to juggle persistent reservist commitments when one hit the 30s. IMO Better off eating the "medicine" now, rather than later. -
on the other hand, its easier for him to downgrade later on too. so he may not actually need to go for the appt or ICT. or go there and slackOriginally posted by blitzonic:~shrug~ Your puasa. Having gone through the 13-yr cycle, I found your earlier quip about "got till 40 yrs old to do this crap" to be mightily naive. My tip would be not to siam anything -- esp. in the early years. Yes, it's very inconvenient & the initial regimentation won't go down well. But once you settle into reservist life, you'll instinctively see my point.
Most lao-jiao peng "feared" two things most: (a) doing IPPT when they hit 30something, & (b) posted in mid-cycle to a newly ORDed unit. So they would report for every call-up (ICT, mob, FFI, parade, whatever) &, true enough, there's an ultimate payoff. As long as the CO noted their attendence & kept their names on his nominal roll, they would be transferred together post-cycle as a unit to the MINDEF reserves. Meaning no more callups, IPPT, mob mannings, etc. for the remaining 5 years or so of their liability.
But their peers who still "owed" any ICTs, or who were posted in during mid-cycle, or were on the holding list, etc. -- they must continue to do IPPT &/or, worst of all, to join another unit for their ICT (& mobs).
Unit performance itself usually peak during the 5th or 6th ICT -- I know, cuz me & my peers went through it -- after which diminishing returns set in as many enter middle management or run their own businesses or start families in their civilian lives. (The SAF recognized this, by cutting down the high-key ICTs to 7 & finishing out with the minor BIT sessions.) In other words, a unit tends to start winding down as its troops enter their late 20s. So imagine the envious faces during these times when (a) those "IOU" cases must do makeup elsewhere, or be posted out altogether, & (b) some unwilling holdovers kena mobilisation ICs, or get recycled on as KAHs.
You're only setting yourself for such a fate, unless you plan to be based overseas from now until past 40. To forewarn, it can be gruelling trying to juggle persistent reservist commitments when one hit the 30s. IMO Better off eating the "medicine" now, rather than later. -
My unit doesn't practise call-up of NSmen during their Uni term for ICT also.
I'm personally skeptical but, never mind, "if you say so".Anyway, if I downgrade to Pes C, I know I will be excused from IPPT, but will I still be liable for reservist since I have changed my Pes status?
Not sure about infantry but for other support arms like Arty & SCE, yes, you'll still have to report for ICT unless you're C9L3 or worse. Those downgraded but still called up are only spared from IPPT & parades. They'd still go out into the field, & it's up to their buddies & immediate commanders to work around what they can or cannot do. In my old unit, a recce driver of mine was reassigned to follow the RSM vehicle as a RP; not sure it exactly brought him relief (he's got hypertension, which is very common among older reservists) but no one complained.
Unless your unit is also "special" one, of course ~lol~ -
My Unit doesn't do outfield so I got no worries about going outfield during my ICT. My ICT is stay out anyway. Its just the IPPT that I am worried about. Its a drag going for RT.Originally posted by blitzonic:Not sure about infantry but for other support arms like Arty & SCE, yes, you'll still have to report for ICT unless you're C9L3 or worse. Those downgraded but still called up are only spared from IPPT & parades. They'd still go out into the field, & it's up to their buddies & immediate commanders to work around what they can or cannot do. In my old unit, a recce driver of mine was reassigned to follow the RSM vehicle as a RP; not sure it exactly brought him relief (he's got hypertension, which is very common among older reservists) but no one complained.
Unless your unit is also "special" one, of course ~lol~
Its so not worth it to go back during Uni Holidays. You're not even compensated for that. At least when I am working and earning a few K, then you pay me a couple of grand to go back lim kopi and take afternoon nap I don't mind.
During my time there, never seen a single Uni grad coming for reservist.
Anyway to be on the safe side, gonna start planning overseas holidays on all my term breaks in advance.