need advise, intend to go for (external) counselling
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evening all,
i'm an nsf considering going for counselling for social anxiety disorder at private clinic or...(gasp) IMH.
What I want to know is, since this is classified as a mental illness do I have to declare it to MINDEF and what are the implications of this?
I'm currently PES B serving in a combat unit. Will declaring cause myself to have some permanent record that will remain even after i ord? or will it cause my pes status to downgrade.
Believe me, I'm not doing this to chaokeng although i do have some problems in my unit because of my condition. -
for these type as far as i know. CMPB doctor will carry more weigh than outside IMH..Originally posted by corvuss:evening all,
i'm an nsf considering going for counselling for social anxiety disorder at private clinic or...(gasp) IMH.
What I want to know is, since this is classified as a mental illness do I have to declare it to MINDEF and what are the implications of this?
I'm currently PES B serving in a combat unit. Will declaring cause myself to have some permanent record that will remain even after i ord? or will it cause my pes status to downgrade.
Believe me, I'm not doing this to chaokeng although i do have some problems in my unit because of my condition.
Once CMPB doc declare u unfit, ur camp LL will follow the order with no question asked. -
wad social anxiety disorder u have? tell us briefly? i feel that it will leave a recordOriginally posted by corvuss:evening all,
i'm an nsf considering going for counselling for social anxiety disorder at private clinic or...(gasp) IMH.
What I want to know is, since this is classified as a mental illness do I have to declare it to MINDEF and what are the implications of this?
I'm currently PES B serving in a combat unit. Will declaring cause myself to have some permanent record that will remain even after i ord? or will it cause my pes status to downgrade.
Believe me, I'm not doing this to chaokeng although i do have some problems in my unit because of my condition. -
Go PM Gedanken about this. I think he can provide you with info (If he is willing to help.)
I can only proide general medicine knowledge, Ged is a specialist in this area. -
counseling and medical review/board are two different things in SAF.Originally posted by corvuss:evening all,
i'm an nsf considering going for counselling for social anxiety disorder at private clinic or...(gasp) IMH.
What I want to know is, since this is classified as a mental illness do I have to declare it to MINDEF and what are the implications of this?
I'm currently PES B serving in a combat unit. Will declaring cause myself to have some permanent record that will remain even after i ord? or will it cause my pes status to downgrade.
Believe me, I'm not doing this to chaokeng although i do have some problems in my unit because of my condition.
This means, going for counseling doesn't necessary means having mental illness and needs downgrade within SAF context. Vice versa, a soldier having mental illness may not even need to go four counseling.
To be downgraded, u have to go through SAF's own psychiatrist(ususally a LTC), in which you will be boarded and requires to go for periodic review. Ususally PES is given as temp status. Why? This is to prevent kengsters to keng siao to downgrade. (As I have no idea you are true case or just a kengster so be warned, if u try to keng this, be prepared to face the consequences)
Implications:
Ur condition will be kept secret unless ur condition will affect other around you, in such case, the MO will inform ur CO. Thereafter, it will be up to your CO's discretion to let which of your superior to know.
Of course,you cannot control these people's mouth because I know of big-mouth people who just cannot keep secrets, within few hours, the whole camp knows the fellow's condition.
Second, people being people, you cannot stop others who know your condition to be skeptical. This means, even though u are true case, u will still kena subject to "you are a chow kengster" treatment. You have to accept this fact. Doesn't mean you are true case liao, people will be nice to you, doesn't really work this way in SAF. -
social anxiety, its like extreme shyness that affects communication and social interaction, it may be caused by genetics, societal/environmental pressures when young or due to chemical imbalances in the mind. Typically, people with social anxiety are never able to fully relax in the presence of other people.
So far I get the impression that the most common type of treatment is behavioural-cognitive, it focuses on changing thoughts in order to solve psychological and personality problems.
personally, my condition isn't that bad to the point that i'm depressed and going to commit suicide although it does affect me everyday whether i'm commuting on public transport, in camp, outside in public or talking to unfamiliar people.
typical scenarios/characteristics:
-being accused of homosexuality for being overly quiet
-stammering, mumbling, trembling (panic attack) when asked to speak infront of an audience, even if the number of people present is small
-blushing,sweating unprovoked in the mere presence of people
-being self conscious
-unable to befriend others
-facial muscles twitching when trying to smile and appear friendly to others
-being timid and hence taken advantage of, i.e. bulled
generally, people with social anxiety will be stressed out when interacting with unfamiliar people.
social anxiety is fairly common, according to wiki... 10% of the population meets its criteria.
My main concern is, if i openly seek treatment will it leave a permanent record? i'm not interested in kenging, infact i dont want to keng because if it happens i'll just become an office orderly who'll be treated like a dog. i feel that i can take the training both physically and mentally and then go on to fulfillmy role in the unit, i just want to undergo treatment and get on with my life. hope i made myself clear.
and if anybody wants to know how long i've had this condition, i guess its since i was a child but it got worse over the years. -
Originally posted by corvuss:
Don't worry about your problem. If you can overcome it yourself it would be great, if it were so bad you need medical help you might not be posting on this forum now.
social anxiety, its like extreme shyness that affects communication and social interaction, it may be caused by genetics, societal/environmental pressures when young or due to chemical imbalances in the mind. Typically, people with social anxiety are never able to fully relax in the presence of other people.
So far I get the impression that the most common type of treatment is behavioural-cognitive, it focuses on changing thoughts in order to solve psychological and personality problems.
personally, my condition isn't that bad to the point that i'm depressed and going to commit suicide although it does affect me everyday whether i'm commuting on public transport, in camp, outside in public or talking to unfamiliar people.
typical scenarios/characteristics:
-being accused of homosexuality for being overly quiet
-stammering, mumbling, trembling (panic attack) when asked to speak infront of an audience, even if the number of people present is small
-blushing,sweating unprovoked in the mere presence of people
-being self conscious
-unable to befriend others
-facial muscles twitching when trying to smile and appear friendly to others
-being timid and hence taken advantage of, i.e. bulled
generally, people with social anxiety will be stressed out when interacting with unfamiliar people.
social anxiety is fairly common, according to wiki... 10% of the population meets its criteria.
My main concern is, if i openly seek treatment [b]will it leave a permanent record? i'm not interested in kenging, infact i dont want to keng because if it happens i'll just become an office orderly who'll be treated like a dog. i feel that i can take the training both physically and mentally and then go on to fulfillmy role in the unit, i just want to undergo treatment and get on with my life. hope i made myself clear.
and if anybody wants to know how long i've had this condition, i guess its since i was a child but it got worse over the years.[/b]
May I know if you've taken the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTi) and what is your profile? (You can try some free ones on the internet) -
Did one just now. INFP.Originally posted by chanjyj:Don't worry about your problem. If you can overcome it yourself it would be great, if it were so bad you need medical help you might not be posting on this forum now.
May I know if you've taken the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTi) and what is your profile? (You can try some free ones on the internet) -
My dear friend, I'm an INFJ. I think I know how you're feeling now. You're not much diff from me in this case.Originally posted by corvuss:Did one just now. INFP.
I don't consider myself a problem, I can talk to others if needed. Maybe your case is a bit on the deep end, but try hard enough and you will get back to normal life. Don't think too much about it. I had this "problem" once. I learned to live with it, and slowly open up to the world.
I'm not an extravert, but I'm feeling much more comfortable now. Try and open up, bit by bit. Find one good friend (if it's a girl all the better
), and slowly get to know more people. The more people you know, you will realise this problem will "disappear". It's not really a problem at all. It's more of an extreme side of your personality showing.
If after ONE YEAR you still have this "problem" then you might want to see a medical professional.
N.B. This is not professional medical advice. This is my own experience and opinion. (Despite my medical training).. I wonder what Ged will say if he's around
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Originally posted by chanjyj:
thanks for the kind words and for sharing your experience, i'll keep what you've said in mind.
My dear friend, I'm an INFJ. I think I know how you're feeling now. You're not much diff from me in this case.
I don't consider myself a problem, I can talk to others if needed. Maybe your case is a bit on the deep end, but try hard enough and you will get back to normal life. Don't think too much about it. I had this "problem" once. I learned to live with it, and slowly open up to the world.
I'm not an extravert, but I'm feeling much more comfortable now. Try and open up, bit by bit. Find one good friend (if it's a girl all the better), and [b]slowly get to know more people. The more people you know, you will realise this problem will "disappear". It's not really a problem at all. It's more of an extreme side of your personality showing.
If after ONE YEAR you still have this "problem" then you might want to see a medical professional.
N.B. This is not professional medical advice. This is my own experience and opinion. (Despite my medical training)[/b]
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social phobia nt equal social shyness .
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Originally posted by chanjyj:
good advice... IMO do try to overcome it. NS is also a good time to learn to overcome it wad then after u ORD who knows yr prob might be gone?
My dear friend, I'm an INFJ. I think I know how you're feeling now. You're not much diff from me in this case.
I don't consider myself a problem, I can talk to others if needed. Maybe your case is a bit on the deep end, but try hard enough and you will get back to normal life. Don't think too much about it. I had this "problem" once. I learned to live with it, and slowly open up to the world.
I'm not an extravert, but I'm feeling much more comfortable now. Try and open up, bit by bit. Find one good friend (if it's a girl all the better), and [b]slowly get to know more people. The more people you know, you will realise this problem will "disappear". It's not really a problem at all. It's more of an extreme side of your personality showing.
If after ONE YEAR you still have this "problem" then you might want to see a medical professional.
N.B. This is not professional medical advice. This is my own experience and opinion. (Despite my medical training).. I wonder what Ged will say if he's around [/b] -
Ah.. btw, this is not a problem.. just a side of your personality showing up. A bit on the extreme end that's all though.