Wanted: Soldier who inspired mobilization call logo
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Looks like theres a manhunt on. Not for someone who went AWOL from camp with a SAR-21, but someone more inspirational.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/STIStory_160853.htmlFrom his research, Mr Boey reckons that the soldier should be in his early 40s, and served in either the Charlie Company of the 1st Guards Battalion, or the Infantry Training Depot.
All the best to Mr Boey in his search for this iconic soldier.
And based on what is discernible from the photograph, his surname could be 'Liew' or 'Lien'. -
See those human figures in the top right corner, put them better, especially the guy sitting down. Then everyone see that stupid signal not so kan chiong.
Actually, putting the cs logo also not bad. -
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yes indeed the figure is iconic but actually that's not the way to aim a rifle.
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Standing hip position right?Originally posted by Gordonator:yes indeed the figure is iconic but actually that's not the way to aim a rifle.
Yeah, you can't hit sh*t that way. -
Aiya wait till we find him then question him about his pose la...
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yup that's why they took out that firing position from the new ATP.Originally posted by fudgester:Standing hip position right?
Yeah, you can't hit sh*t that way. -
Will forever remember that position...The only position I missed a shot, else I would have gotten 100% hit rate for my range.Originally posted by fudgester:Standing hip position right?
Yeah, you can't hit sh*t that way. 
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Firing from hip position was the final position the firer had to adopt in his ROD shoot.Originally posted by Gordonator:yes indeed the figure is iconic but actually that's not the way to aim a rifle.
The target was figure 11 at 15m, after the run-down from 300m. There is nothing wrong or inappropriate with the position.
When ROD shoot came around for us, needless to say, we were all very glad to participate in trainfire package.
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As an "old" soldier from the same period ( i.e. 1980s) , I think it is a very noble idea for the ST to search for the real inspiration behind the logo. Every organisation or society needs small historical facts about itself to make up its full identity. In turn, that inspires loyalty to itself.
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GDSman sounds right, if it's from 1984. Can't really tell if the logo image is depicting a firer wearing camo utilities (eg. tucked out) though the baggier trousers suggest so. He's clearly the old-style steel helmet, though.
Mass issue of the camo attires only began in 1985, the year I enlisted. In the preceding two years or so, only certain units got to wear them -- non-standardized too, as I understood, as the SAF experimented with different designs. Logically, it must've been the infantry first &, amongst them, the elite troops most of all. The rest of the SAF, still in their tucked-in, starched/ironed Temasek greens, must've then recognized these camo wearers as "special" forces.
Don't believe? Check the old news photos of the Cable Car Tragedy (1983). I recall, too, browsing through a photo album some retired MAJ donated for the OCS bunk display at the last AOH. It had some early '80s Temburong shots where all the instructors wore "jungle" fatigues & a perm staff in Temasek green. There were also SATO graduation pixs from the period, with different officers from different formations wearing different attire (even different camos).
Speaking of the latter: Lee Hsien Yang was in it. If I'm correct, he was identified as being from Armour (which I didn't know previously). -
Bingo!
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YeahOriginally posted by Gordonator:yes indeed the figure is iconic but actually that's not the way to aim a rifle.
If anyone look closer, it's actually the No 4... -
I think a plain WTF will do...
Everytime ppl see the mobilisation logo sure go "WTF!!!!" -
Found him!
At least this "manhunt" didn't take 22 hours. LOL
Many thanks to all who assisted. No lead was too small to chase. Really grateful. -
so this is the guy!?Originally posted by blitzonic:Bingo!
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I think I was the last batch to learn Standing Hip.Originally posted by temasek_green:Firing from hip position was the final position the firer had to adopt in his ROD shoot.
The target was figure 11 at 15m, after the run-down from 300m. There is nothing wrong or inappropriate with the position.
When ROD shoot came around for us, needless to say, we were all very glad to participate in trainfire package.
Basically, those vent "holes" on the handguard of the M-16 was used to estimate the pitch of the rifle at standing hip. Once u figured out which hole would bring ur weapon level, hitting the target wasn't too hard.
However, I fully agree that the standing hip is a ridiculous way to shoot someone at 15m. Which is why we finally adopted the standing shoulder. -
i wonder if they'll ask tt wanted man pose for a new logo.
maybe in 3G combat attire.
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[quote]Originally posted by blitzonic:
[b]GDSman sounds right, if it's from 1984. Can't really tell if the logo image is depicting a firer wearing camo utilities (eg. tucked out) though the baggier trousers suggest so. He's clearly the old-style steel helmet, though.
Don't believe? Check the old news photos of the Cable Car Tragedy (1983). I recall, too, browsing through a photo album some retired MAJ donated for the OCS bunk display at the last AOH. It had some early '80s Temburong shots where all the instructors wore "jungle" fatigues & a perm staff in Temasek green. There were also SATO graduation pixs from the period, with different officers from different formations wearing different attire (even different
camos).
And at that time the camo uniform was of low quality they faded after washing.Before all that some regulars wore Thai army uniforms because the fabric was good and even the USMC Camo.The first M16s produced by chartered Industries had weak handguards and some faulty butt springs -
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Standing hip is an instinctive firing position. It tests the firer to fire off his remaining rounds as in close combat situation. Hence, the requirement of fixed bayonet in this position during test shoot. The stance of hip is easily switchable to the "on guard" position in bayonet fighting. Quite realistic yes?Originally posted by Shotgun:I think I was the last batch to learn Standing Hip.
Basically, those vent "holes" on the handguard of the M-16 was used to estimate the pitch of the rifle at standing hip. Once u figured out which hole would bring ur weapon level, hitting the target wasn't too hard.
However, I fully agree that the standing hip is a ridiculous way to shoot someone at 15m. Which is why we finally adopted the standing shoulder.
Anyway, standing shoulder position was tested at 100m point during the AMT, if I remember correctly. Any Small arms guys from SIW Pasir Laba here? Correct me if I am wrong.
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You explained it all loud and clearOriginally posted by temasek_green:Standing hip is an instinctive firing position. It tests the firer to fire off his remaining rounds as in close combat situation. Hence, the requirement of fixed bayonet in this position during test shoot. The stance of hip is easily switchable to the "on guard" position in bayonet fighting. Quite realistic yes?
Anyway, standing shoulder position was tested at 100m point during the AMT, if I remember correctly. Any Small arms guys from SIW Pasir Laba here? Correct me if I am wrong.
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He was way beyond his time. With laser aimsight, this should be a convenient stance to shoot from.Originally posted by fudgester:Standing hip position right?
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And at that time the camo uniform was of low quality they faded after washing.
Those faded uniforms were prized among servicemen. ~lol~ More so the next-generation camo pattern, which had a brighter shade than the version which the SAF settled on later. Everybody tried their best to hang onto both sets, for their "veteran" look. Eventually the faded ones was kit-exchanged out at the Enciks' insistence -- the colour became more gray than green, as the picture shows -- & they even caused MPs to take any still-stubborn wearers' names down at the end (outside Amoy Quee), as I recall.
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Ar but who is he and what platoon did he belong to? This was Charlie Compnay 1st GuardsOriginally posted by ChineseJunk:Found him!
At least this "manhunt" didn't take 22 hours. LOL
Many thanks to all who assisted. No lead was too small to chase. Really grateful.