Some questions...
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1) In my opinion, the defence of the country shld not be solely dependant on the males alone. Females shld also contribute to the defence of the country. For example, they can contribute under logistics, medic assistants,service sectors, unit administration etc etc. The defence of the country shld not juz be relied upon the males. If possible, the females can also learn certain skills as those mentioned above. We cannot have a war with the males fighting and females sitting at home watching tv or sleeping.
2) Mono-intake units got orientation officers? If dun haf, then nid to speak to them how? -
female dxos and regulars fake one?
every unit sure have OO. only u dunno how to find them. -
I won't say all units have OOs or maybe just the combat side have cause my unit doesn't. Anyway, all units have para counselors you can approach if you have problems and need someone to talk to.
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My active unit during BMT phrase got OO. After that they went back to Tekong le.
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Like Israel?
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if zhar bor all do storeman,drivers(logistics)...then the SAF will have no qualms to put all of the males to chiong sua....this is bad news for those who keng...
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in my 3 years in sgforums. this topic of getting women to serve some form of NS will pop up occasionally from time to time. it's so evergreen.
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You know why this topic pops up? Because some guy who is anxious (PRE-NSF) suddenly gets pissed off that he has to go thru everything while his female classmates (remember, he is still sitting in poly or J.C. with girls around him) get to carry on with normal life. He is worried. He wonders what the females will do when he is not around.. blah blah
And then, he starts getting angry... henceforth comes this post. -
Originally posted by chanjyj:You know why this topic pops up? Because some guy who is anxious (PRE-NSF) suddenly gets pissed off that he has to go thru everything while his female classmates (remember, he is still sitting in poly or J.C. with girls around him) get to carry on with normal life. He is worried. He wonders what the females will do when he is not around.. blah blah
And then, he starts getting angry... henceforth comes this post. -
gordy: cuz ppl all no brain one. always think of some lame old topic.
dkcx: sure have one. para-counsellors is another thing. in fact, those OOs are retired officers or WOs. they are being recycled all over singapore, only that handful. my fren in 6sir had the same OO as i had in tekong. mr jimmy. (will msd come find me cuz i said mentioned his name? lol)
kengkia: my fren has 2 fingers on each hand, u call him chiong? mindef not so jialat la. will see situation one. got female combatants also mah. there was a period of time, OC Viper of BMTC Sch 2 is female. is she still there anot im not sure la. got 1 armour unit RSM is female also. -
My battalion definitely don't have 1 unless we are supposed to go to the 9Div/Inf 1 since our HQ is in selarang or theres someone with dual appointment cause over after 2 years in the army the only time i heard of OO is in tekong.Originally posted by Unknown_X:gordy: cuz ppl all no brain one. always think of some lame old topic.
dkcx: sure have one. para-counsellors is another thing. in fact, those OOs are retired officers or WOs. they are being recycled all over singapore, only that handful. my fren in 6sir had the same OO as i had in tekong. mr jimmy. (will msd come find me cuz i said mentioned his name? lol) -
3 sir? 36 sce? 9 amb? u need OO, they will get for u one. u think defence budget alot ah? every camp put 1 OO? or come to hq 9 div g1 br la. i intro to u some para counsellors. confirm u dun want to come back 2nd time.Originally posted by dkcx:My battalion definitely don't have 1 unless we are supposed to go to the 9Div/Inf 1 since our HQ is in selarang or theres someone with dual appointment cause over after 2 years in the army the only time i heard of OO is in tekong. -
9AMB but we do have some people who are good para-counselors or at least i feel can be good...Originally posted by Unknown_X:3 sir? 36 sce? 9 amb? u need OO, they will get for u one. u think defence budget alot ah? every camp put 1 OO? or come to hq 9 div g1 br la. i intro to u some para counsellors. confirm u dun want to come back 2nd time.
I don't need to go to 9 div anytime soon. I'm already a Mr and not a 3SG :p -
i know u ord liao la. read your threads before. but jus saying. i also ord already and i still go back frequently. 9 amb got 1 fker ssg or msg, damn guai lan with his suzuki jimmy. i overtook him and he confronted me, say men not supposed to overtake commanders. lol wtf. tell him watch out, csc card lost, my side dun do replacement he lan lan and wait long long.Originally posted by dkcx:9AMB but we do have some people who are good para-counselors or at least i feel can be good...
I don't need to go to 9 div anytime soon. I'm already a Mr and not a 3SG :p -
Not sure who you referring to since my Batt HQ is at selarang but i am attached to sembawang to to serve 1TPT so i would say i know more about 1TPT than i know about my own unit. Go back camp i will also go back semb n not selarang to visit.Originally posted by Unknown_X:i know u ord liao la. read your threads before. but jus saying. i also ord already and i still go back frequently. 9 amb got 1 fker ssg or msg, damn guai lan with his suzuki jimmy. i overtook him and he confronted me, say men not supposed to overtake commanders. lol wtf. tell him watch out, csc card lost, my side dun do replacement he lan lan and wait long long.
Where you working? Got with to do with CSC card replacement? -
You know why this topic pops up? Because some guy who is anxious (PRE-NSF) suddenly gets pissed off that he has to go thru everything while his female classmates (remember, he is still sitting in poly or J.C. with girls around him) get to carry on with normal life. He is worried. He wonders what the females will do when he is not around.. blah blah
Bingo!
And then, he starts getting angry... henceforth comes this post.
To rehash: The reality is the SAF only needs X number of troops for a fighting force; this is different from serving NS in itself. Already, our military budgets are among the higher ones in the region (BTW Brunei's is too). There's the composition of our neighboring armed forces to consider too: we only need to match up well against them -- any bigger force will create unnecessary tension -- & yet we quietly hold an edge cuz Malaysia is currently transforming into a conventional force (eg. only one combat-arms DIV) while Indonesia's remains a largely regional-based, counterinsurgency one.
Our ORBAT restructuring (to offset a reduced conscript intake) is also already more than 15 years in the making, & fortunately it meshes with our later ambitions to upgrade to a high-tech 3G army. This new system works too, or else we couldn't have deployed to aid the tsunami victims almost the same time as the US 7th Fleet did too. Contrast, too, the scale of that taskforce vs. the one for the Cable Car disaster over 20 years ago.
Also, the SAF has even outsourced non-ops endeavors (food catering, administration, maintainence, even area-cleaning) to further free up enlistees for other vocations. So, if anything, it's moving in the OTHER direction: progressively farming these workloads out to the civilian side, instead of conscripting the other sex to do them. Who knows, perhaps someday even NSF clerks may be rendered redundant ~shrug~
If it ever expands its NSF pool again, methinks it'll be the naturalised citizens who'll get called up first, rather than females as a whole. IMO There's some inevitability to this cuz, as things stand, the enlistee intake shall shrink again soon (today's batches are from the "have 3 or more" population policies of the late '80s, whose effect wore off by the mid/later '90s) & yet there's this recent population explosion (from aggressive awarding of citizenship to new immigrants). Whatever happens, it'll likely shake up local society, more so than when they introduced the 13-year cycle in the early '80s or when they elevated reservists to join the combat-arms DIVs (as "ops-ready NSmen") in the early '90s.
To T/S: This is the element you haven't considered with your suggestion: NS liability doesn't end after 2 years, but only when you turn 40 (or 50) years old. The females shall need to serve reservist for as long as the males do -- so how you think S'pore can accomodate/finance that, even if the gesture is noble (enlistee equality, nation-building, etc.)? -
9 amb is under 1tpt or 1amb iirc. only when operational time then will be under hq 9 div.Originally posted by dkcx:Not sure who you referring to since my Batt HQ is at selarang but i am attached to sembawang to to serve 1TPT so i would say i know more about 1TPT than i know about my own unit. Go back camp i will also go back semb n not selarang to visit.
Where you working? Got with to do with CSC card replacement?
i was from hq 9 div. can't say more, later msd come and catch me how? for all u know, they are monitoring this thread now. lol. *waves at MSD* -
We are under ourselves not under 1AMB or worse under 1TPT. I am attached to transport to serve them but i don't belong to them. I might be kinder in some of my dealings with them if i was ever under them but i'm not and i serve to protect my own unit when transport give us problems and thats almost all the time.Originally posted by Unknown_X:9 amb is under 1tpt or 1amb iirc. only when operational time then will be under hq 9 div.
i was from hq 9 div. can't say more, later msd come and catch me how? for all u know, they are monitoring this thread now. lol. *waves at MSD*
1/3/6AMB are a sister battalions and we work together but are also seperated from each other so should never be considered as linked in any other way except under HQMES. -
All the AMBs are stepchildren.Originally posted by dkcx:We are under ourselves not under 1AMB or worse under 1TPT. I am attached to transport to serve them but i don't belong to them. I might be kinder in some of my dealings with them if i was ever under them but i'm not and i serve to protect my own unit when transport give us problems and thats almost all the time.
1/3/6AMB are a sister battalions and we work together but are also seperated from each other so should never be considered as linked in any other way except under HQMES.
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Haha,yeah this topic can alway be seen.
Yeah if we guys ask females to serve NS too,they will definely shoot back and tell us guys to give birth too LOL -
dkcx: ic, paiseh ah. cuz amb quite complicated. so im not very sure myself. thnx for clarifying.
lazerlord: lol, bas-tard children. but w/o amb, half the army can't move.
kenplus: i had this debate in class last mth, lecturer choose a power topic. shld girls serve the army. den divide class into guys and girls. woot. -
Hehe, two sets of parents, both of whom don't appreciate the AMBs enough.Originally posted by Unknown_X:dkcx: ic, paiseh ah. cuz amb quite complicated. so im not very sure myself. thnx for clarifying.
lazerlord: lol, bas-tard children. but w/o amb, half the army can't move.
kenplus: i had this debate in class last mth, lecturer choose a power topic. shld girls serve the army. den divide class into guys and girls. woot. -
however, how many females ultimately get married and give birthOriginally posted by KenPlus:Haha,yeah this topic can alway be seen.
Yeah if we guys ask females to serve NS too,they will definely shoot back and tell us guys to give birth too LOL
We definitely serve NS. Do they definitely give birth?! -
Malaysian girls have to serve military but its more of a 'you get selected, you go' type. Most of them do admin duties. But the occasional running / jogging is unavoidable.
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I had a BMT mate who was unlucky enough get selected for the Malaysian NS when he ORDed here.