What if there is a war
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i swim to malaysia and hide
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LOLZ!
The garung de combat units will go and fight...
But u tink the supporting units... transport/ration/watever will still be there?
All AWOL lo!!!!!!! U see how relaxed those regulars are u can tell lo.
I know I will AWOL! And I will do anything save my own skin!!!!! And tats speaking FROM THE bottom of my heart.
Okay, let the flaming begin... -
seems there are 2 species of soldiers here...
those with guts and pride, and those proud to be gutless. -
sometimes i wonder about the mentality of people who say "just run and hide" "fly to some other country", and say "fuck ns screw ns"
so at the face of any adversity you will just keep doing that run and hide? lets not say war, how about problems you face in your life? just going to turn tail and run?
ns is a fact of life, i won't be hypocritcal and say i love it, but its just that so many people have done it before and so many people are going through the same shit as you do, and therefore you can do it too.
so why complain and complain? just suck it up and do it. -
let me put it this way. For those individual who wants to AWOL think again if u r rounded up by enemy. U r still a POW not a civilian because u r NSF. Unless u r already oversea, and if u r oversea better not on enemy land than u may be consider a traitor....that is another problems....so use your brain.Originally posted by constancebay:What do you think will happen to singapore if there is a war?
I think this is what will happen
Stay out NSF: These NSF will simply awol
The rich NSF will probably buy a ticket to fly out of singapore together with their money and never ever come back
The poor NSF will probably find a place in singapore to hide(small as singapore maybe when there is a war and everything is so messy it can be hard to find you)
Stay in NSF: These poor chaps wll probably get confined in camp as the SAF will be afraid that they will awol. They will have no choice but to fight in the war but will probably awol during the war when they have the chance to do so.
Reservaist: The same as the stay out NSF. The rich reservaist will simply fly out of singapore to other countries while the poor reservaist will probably not be stupid enough to go back to camp to report. They will probably awol and find a place in singapore to hide.
Even if the reservaists go and fight in the war, they will probably be the 1st to get kill as they have forgotton how to use their M16 and probably due to busy working and never train regularly they don't even have the strength to carry a full battle order
Commando and other elite combat units: They will probably be the only 1 left to fight the war. But these people who like to deceive themselves with the saying "1 of us can kill a hundred soliders" will probably all die in foreign land.
They will be send to the enemy country to attack the enemy bases. When they reach there, it will be their 1st time in their life to see dead corpse, hands and legs being blown up by generades. They will be so scared by all these sightings that their balls will tremble and they don't even have the strength to carry their guns
They will than start crying "I miss my mummy. I miss my gf" and surrender, hoping that their enemy will give them a chance to go back to singapore alive
The rest of the combat units: The majority of the remaining combat units will have to stay in singapore to defend the country as AH LEE will be afraid that if he send all the soliders out than nobody defend singapore than his empire will be conquired.
1 bomb laned in singapore and it destroyed everything in it, killing and destroying all the soliders and everything in it including AH LEE assets.
Ending: Sad but the truth is singapore lose. They will than realise that 40 years of ns is just a waste of time -
when the day really come theres a war i wil stay and fight... i fight for my families and my buddies tt are fighting beside me !!!
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Put it this way, Indonesia has a population of more than 200million, their defence budget is 3billion USD. Singapore has a population of 4.4million, our defence budget is 6billion USD. If Singaporeans are as you said, so unmotivated to defend our home despite having much higher pay and technological superiority, but are the chances are that our aggressors would stay in their units?Originally posted by constancebay:What do you think will happen to singapore if there is a war?
I think this is what will happen
Stay out NSF: These NSF will simply awol
The rich NSF will probably buy a ticket to fly out of singapore together with their money and never ever come back
The poor NSF will probably find a place in singapore to hide(small as singapore maybe when there is a war and everything is so messy it can be hard to find you)
Stay in NSF: These poor chaps wll probably get confined in camp as the SAF will be afraid that they will awol. They will have no choice but to fight in the war but will probably awol during the war when they have the chance to do so.
Reservaist: The same as the stay out NSF. The rich reservaist will simply fly out of singapore to other countries while the poor reservaist will probably not be stupid enough to go back to camp to report. They will probably awol and find a place in singapore to hide.
Even if the reservaists go and fight in the war, they will probably be the 1st to get kill as they have forgotton how to use their M16 and probably due to busy working and never train regularly they don't even have the strength to carry a full battle order
Commando and other elite combat units: They will probably be the only 1 left to fight the war. But these people who like to deceive themselves with the saying "1 of us can kill a hundred soliders" will probably all die in foreign land.
They will be send to the enemy country to attack the enemy bases. When they reach there, it will be their 1st time in their life to see dead corpse, hands and legs being blown up by generades. They will be so scared by all these sightings that their balls will tremble and they don't even have the strength to carry their guns
They will than start crying "I miss my mummy. I miss my gf" and surrender, hoping that their enemy will give them a chance to go back to singapore alive
The rest of the combat units: The majority of the remaining combat units will have to stay in singapore to defend the country as AH LEE will be afraid that if he send all the soliders out than nobody defend singapore than his empire will be conquired.
1 bomb laned in singapore and it destroyed everything in it, killing and destroying all the soliders and everything in it including AH LEE assets.
Ending: Sad but the truth is singapore lose. They will than realise that 40 years of ns is just a waste of time -
Put it this way, Indonesia has a population of more than 200million, their defence budget is 3billion USD. Singapore has a population of 4.4million, our defence budget is 6billion USD. If Singaporeans are as you said, so unmotivated to defend our home despite having much higher pay and technological superiority, but are the chances are that our aggressors would stay in their units?
But they're a professional army. Not citizen soldiers liks us.
Instead, I'll rebut it this way: Indonesia is a big country, but their armed forces is relatively small, supposedly only 300,000. Their command structure is also regional-based (KODAM II is nearest to us though, if I recall correctly, there are 3 other KODAM entities stationed elsewhere in Sumatra) & their whole ORBAT still centered around counterinsurgency ops. Their naval fleet cannot do a Normandy-style invasion yet, maybe for the next 20 years unless there's an arms race in SE Asia. -
You think the enemies enjoy keeping turncoats when they catch them? Some more they are just normal footsoldiers.. don't know anything.. no use.. must as well kill them or use them to their advantage..
Some people keep thinking that a lot of people will AWOL cos birds of the same feathers flock together, thats why.... -
If they hit...it will be insurgent style. No doubts about that...which means more work for our 6SIR Spartans.Originally posted by blitzonic:But they're a professional army. Not citizen soldiers liks us.
Instead, I'll rebut it this way: Indonesia is a big country, but their armed forces is relatively small, supposedly only 300,000. Their command structure is also regional-based (KODAM II is nearest to us though, if I recall correctly, there are 3 other KODAM entities stationed elsewhere in Sumatra) & their whole ORBAT still centered around counterinsurgency ops. Their naval fleet cannot do a Normandy-style invasion yet, maybe for the next 20 years unless there's an arms race in SE Asia. -
He is booking out of camp this evening to book into Sgforum for another 48hours but isnt he Pes C or some kind of garang vegetable?Originally posted by de_middle:the chuck norris & mr t fan boy aka freedom fighter -
Indon fighting force oni 300k meh??? Why i read off wiki is 48 million? and they have 2 million people fit for service annually.. or i read wrong =.=Originally posted by blitzonic:But they're a professional army. Not citizen soldiers liks us.
Instead, I'll rebut it this way: Indonesia is a big country, but their armed forces is relatively small, supposedly only 300,000. Their command structure is also regional-based (KODAM II is nearest to us though, if I recall correctly, there are 3 other KODAM entities stationed elsewhere in Sumatra) & their whole ORBAT still centered around counterinsurgency ops. Their naval fleet cannot do a Normandy-style invasion yet, maybe for the next 20 years unless there's an arms race in SE Asia. -
constancebay: Shot dead and body thrown into rubbish bin
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wah Mr. ChinookOriginally posted by martin_lim85:constancebay: Shot dead and body thrown into rubbish bin -
If war comes to SG...........run, hide and surrender to the enemy is out of the question.
Remember WW2 where the allied forces [mostly ang mohs], retreated to Sg and surrendered to the japs.......reason being that SEA is not their homeland......they must have thought why wanna die in Asian country....might as well surrender....get locked up and when liberated by their countrymen.....can go home!
But .....in reality, it did not happen like dat. Instead, they became slave labour for the Japs.....until many died. Japs won't wanna use their labourers to build death railways etc, but use the allied soldiers, many were ill-fed, ill-treated and later died or severely incapacitated.
So, same goes for us. If war comes and we just run and surrender, and wait for war to end so can go back to our families, is not gonna happen. Our enemies.....or conquerors, will ensure they use us as slave labourers to rebuild their land. They won't wanna care if we have enough to eat, or see our families. All they wanna do is plunder our land, make slaves of our able bodied men and have a merry time with our women, wife, daughters sisters!!
Do you cowards who think that running away or surrender will do you any good?? Think again!!
For me....I'll fight and take as many with me to hell! Than my job as a citizen of SG is done!!
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While you're all fighting and otherwise risking your necks defending the country, your dear leaders will be the first to fly to and sit around in some neutral country watching the war with an impassive eye, or even setting up shop there and never looking back.
If and ever you win and prevail, some of your dear leaders will fly back, and announce to everybody that it was only due to their leadership and ability that the war could have been won. Medals will be given out but no real compensation made (hey, reconstruction costs are hefty, you know). After a few years, the contributions made by those fallen are only ceremonially commemorated once a year, with scant regard made to honor them in any other way (You fought the war; it was your duty and nothing else. We have already honored you via an annual 'vetarans' day'; what else do you want, 3 meals in a restaurant?).
Meanwhile life goes on as before, with war vets and citizens continuing to get shafted while the leaders and foreign elites live it up in a city defended by countless nameless, thankless Singaporeans. -
This MIGHT be the sad truth but this is will not be the cause or reason that we should surrender to the enemies. Even if my leader abandon my country and fly to another, I will still fight, for the reason is simple... my family and loved ones are here. If I don't fight, who will? Of course you can say there's other fighting, what will one man like me do??Originally posted by rooki:While you're all fighting and otherwise risking your necks defending the country, your dear leaders will be the first to fly to and sit around in some neutral country watching the war with an impassive eye, or even setting up shop there and never looking back.
If and ever you win and prevail, some of your dear leaders will fly back, and announce to everybody that it was only due to their leadership and ability that the war could have been won. Medals will be given out but no real compensation made (hey, reconstruction costs are hefty, you know). After a few years, the contributions made by those fallen are only ceremonially commemorated once a year, with scant regard made to honor them in any other way (You fought the war; it was your duty and nothing else. We have already honored you via an annual 'vetarans' day'; what else do you want, 3 meals in a restaurant?).
Meanwhile life goes on as before, with war vets and citizens continuing to get shafted while the leaders and foreign elites live it up in a city defended by countless nameless, thankless Singaporeans.
But if everyone gives this mindset, who will be the one fighting? -
Sigh...leaders trying to take advantage of ordinary peoples' concern for their family.Originally posted by VagueHart:This MIGHT be the sad truth but this is will not be the cause or reason that we should surrender to the enemies. Even if my leader abandon my country and fly to another, I will still fight, for the reason is simple... my family and loved ones are here. If I don't fight, who will? Of course you can say there's other fighting, what will one man like me do??
But if everyone gives this mindset, who will be the one fighting?
Heck, there's a fair chance that Singaporean women and children may be figuratively held at gunpoint to force Singaporean men to fight OR ELSE.
Such exploitation...
On a not-so-unrelated tangent, the current 'battle plan' for the SAF is to prevent fighting on home ground as far as possible, from what I know.
What if you are one of the personnel assigned to carry out a pre-emptive strike? Does 'defending the country' still count? What if you knew that otherwise innocent civilians would be killed? Will you kill in cold blood, without any 'defense' clause to speak of? -
if there is war...
I wun worry about it.
With the construction of SDF-1, I doubt any country would dare... -
if a war was coming you wouldnt be able to fly out
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Originally posted by rooki:
In a pre-emptive strike, you'd strike their military bases and equipment to prevent their attack. You wouldn't go bomb civilians. The military personnel to be killed are technically not innocent because they are directly contributing to the war effort. Of course civillians will get hit, but it is not the objective of a pre-emptive strike to bomb out civillians a-la-Hiroshima.
Sigh...leaders trying to take advantage of ordinary peoples' concern for their family.
Heck, there's a fair chance that Singaporean women and children may be figuratively held at gunpoint to force Singaporean men to fight OR ELSE.
Such exploitation...
On a not-so-unrelated tangent, the current 'battle plan' for the SAF is to prevent fighting on home ground as far as possible, from what I know.
What if you are one of the personnel assigned to carry out a [b]pre-emptive strike? Does 'defending the country' still count? What if you knew that otherwise innocent civilians would be killed? Will you kill in cold blood, without any 'defense' clause to speak of?[/b] -
Indonesian armed forces only three hundred thousand including the three services.Originally posted by VagueHart:Indon fighting force oni 300k meh??? Why i read off wiki is 48 million? and they have 2 million people fit for service annually.. or i read wrong =.= -
hj...bj...fj...Originally posted by will4:Indonesian armed forces only three hundred thousand including the three services. -
Indonesian army- 280000 personnelOriginally posted by VagueHart:Indon fighting force oni 300k meh??? Why i read off wiki is 48 million? and they have 2 million people fit for service annually.. or i read wrong =.=
Indonesian navy- 40000 personnel including marines. -
Originally posted by rooki:
I doubt my leader's order for a pre-emptive strike will directly kill the civilians, pre-emptive strike normally targets important building and structures like anti-aircraft equipments and military bases/runways etc.
Sigh...leaders trying to take advantage of ordinary peoples' concern for their family.
Heck, there's a fair chance that Singaporean women and children may be figuratively held at gunpoint to force Singaporean men to fight OR ELSE.
Such exploitation...
On a not-so-unrelated tangent, the current 'battle plan' for the SAF is to prevent fighting on home ground as far as possible, from what I know.
What if you are one of the personnel assigned to carry out a [b]pre-emptive strike? Does 'defending the country' still count? What if you knew that otherwise innocent civilians would be killed? Will you kill in cold blood, without any 'defense' clause to speak of?[/b]
Yes, there's a possibility that our women and daughters will be held at gunpoint by our own people to force us to fight, but think about it. If they do it this way, they loses our trust, and when the opportunnity comes for us to make a break for it with our family, we will not let it slip by us.
If the order given goes something like "Destroy targetted building, building contains civilians.", I will more or less do it. Every mission contributes to the victory of our nation, I'm not making it sound cliche or whatsoever, if my country lose, my family and loved ones including me loses out. I simply have no choice.
Imo, defending a country still counts even if I'm to attack the other country, Singapore is not a very good place to hold a fight strategically, so it's always better to bring the fight to them.