Sign On: Worth It? Wise? Outside No Good Job Prospect? How?
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Its not ironical ....... if people don't enter SAF, where to find people who wants to leave ?Originally posted by borntolive:PPL here are waiting for the day where they can leave SAF n ppl here are aiming to enter SAF
how ironical.
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I asked him to think properly and have a plan B in case this army thing is not working out for him. Also like some of you mentioned, recruit life is the very beginning and there are so much more for him to see and learn.
BTW, the 6 year contract starts from after he ORDs rite? Are there any non-scholarship contracts with different terms (the contract length)? I saw on SAF webby scholarship bonds are 3, 4 years that kind. I don't think he qualifies for their scholarship. So besides 6 years got any other options? -
No, your contract starts from when you sign it. (Some can be backdated to enlistment? Not too sure about this. But it definitely starts before the two year NSF liability is up.) There may be additional bond periods if you take up the scholarships or study awards.
This brings up another point. NSF liability for regulars is not two years. i.e. if you decide to quit after 2 years as a regular, you still have to serve some remaining time to fulfill your NS liability. I'm not so sure what this ratio is. -
the farmer officer scheme starts from the day he is commissioned as an officer even after signed the contract. if he signed liao, enter ocs but kena downgrade medically/ not commissioned (ocs course is 9 months), the contract is therefore void and made null. double check on this.Originally posted by TXian:I asked him to think properly and have a plan B in case this army thing is not working out for him. Also like some of you mentioned, recruit life is the very beginning and there are so much more for him to see and learn.
BTW, the 6 year contract starts from after he ORDs rite? Are there any non-scholarship contracts with different terms (the contract length)? I saw on SAF webby scholarship bonds are 3, 4 years that kind. I don't think he qualifies for their scholarship. So besides 6 years got any other options?
as mentioned there is a 3 year contract. contract is official only after commissioned. e.g. enlist date = 22/11/2007, commission date = 22/11/2008, thus contract ends on 22/11/11, cos 2008 +3 = 2011.
for the regular ns liability he halfway quit, it is known as MTE [minimum term of engagement] -
is there a website with all the info or anyone he can speak to? The SAF webby only highlight all the 'perks' and nvr mention about all the other T&Cs.
Will the recruitment centre be able to provide full details so that he can consider before joining? They should make all these information more widely available. No use getting scores of men who join and regret soon after. Waste of tax money because none will be long term. -
official : www.army.gov.sgOriginally posted by TXian:is there a website with all the info or anyone he can speak to? The SAF webby only highlight all the 'perks' and nvr mention about all the other T&Cs.
Will the recruitment centre be able to provide full details so that he can consider before joining? They should make all these information more widely available. No use getting scores of men who join and regret soon after. Waste of tax money because none will be long term.
www.mindef.gov.sg
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/careers/job_opportunities.html
of cos lah... for the cons of saf careers: the talks and threads here speak for itself.
try convincing him that just strive for being a nsf officer for 2 years can liao for the experience. the public sector still have other govt ministries, agencies and statutory boards. -
So does the farmer officer scheme signees start getting his regular pay as a cadet ?Originally posted by eac:the farmer officer scheme starts from the day he is commissioned as an officer even after signed the contract. if he signed liao, enter ocs but kena downgrade medically/ not commissioned (ocs course is 9 months), the contract is therefore void and made null. double check on this.
as mentioned there is a 3 year contract. contract is official only after commissioned. e.g. enlist date = 22/11/2007, commission date = 22/11/2008, thus contract ends on 22/11/11, cos 2008 +3 = 2011.
for the regular ns liability he halfway quit, it is known as MTE [minimum term of engagement]
if not, why sign on the line so early ? Might as well decide after OCS. -
Hi everyone, thanks to all on my bf's behalf. Thanks for sharing. He's still into signing on. But I read about the 3 year contract thing, so I told him he could try for that. Then there's also the LSA (scholarship) with a 4 year bond, I think.
But most importantly, best if he can go into OCS then see how are things first before signing on. Maybe go in liao can see true colours then he'll voice like those anti-sign ons.
Any more info feel free to add on..I think others who thought about signing on might find these useful too.
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its okay, the scheme is only available when he get into ocs based on his own merits.Originally posted by TXian:Hi everyone, thanks to all on my bf's behalf. Thanks for sharing. He's still into signing on. But I read about the 3 year contract thing, so I told him he could try for that. Then there's also the LSA (scholarship) with a 4 year bond, I think.
But most importantly, best if he can go into OCS then see how are things first before signing on. Maybe go in liao can see true colours then he'll voice like those anti-sign ons.
Any more info feel free to add on..I think others who thought about signing on might find these useful too.
but u must also tell him that most LSA holders and the 3 years contact scheme at promoted to LTA at most and stuck there for a long time. even promotion to CPT rank also divided to CPT grade 1 and CPT grade 2... tell him that in a typical battalion company, there are at least 4 PCs (2LT/LTA rank), only 1 OC (CPT rank). and most promotion to CPT rank PRIORITY is always first given to high flyers.
as others said bmt is like chalet, the real ns only starts after u pop from bmt tekong,... just wait till u get posted to an unit. -
But most importantly, best if he can go into OCS then see how are things first before signing on
Someone else vaguely touched on this earlier, but to remind: there may be institutional obstacles if you sign on & then try to change vocations midstream. OCS comprises 3 terms (Tri-Service, Service & Pro) while SISPEC has 2 (BSLC, then either ASLC or the support-arms Schools). The system may not let newbie regulars revocate that easily if they're already in the OCS Pro Term or in trade course during SISPEC. Not saying it's impossible, but it'll be dealt with more on a case-by-case basis with various possible impediments n the way (suitability, availability, career potential, sabo kings).
Lagi best to sign on either during BMT, or earlier in leadership training, or after settling into unit life (if you like your posting), or with a degree after NS (can definitely revocate, albeit as a "farmer" regular). -
Choosing vocation is very tricky...if u're in something u dun like, even if it has the best benefits, u'lll be sian of it.
I heard of stories from my BMT OC, that he wanted to sign on as artillery officer, the recruitment officer say ok...after sign already, his letter say infantry. He also suck thumb....what can he say? haha. -
yeah, i heard also that SAF is not that simple one. Besides the point that they can promise you oceans and mountains, and then might not deliver, there are also alot of internal politics and all that. Not much difference between a public sector company except it might be more "regulated" on the surface.
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He failed his IPPT, still got hope to go OCS? Can attain silver but only because of Standing broad jump cannot pass *shakes head*
haiya, why wan to go OCS ar?? -
SAF is worse, coz you cant quit just like that if you suai suai kena condamn.Originally posted by TXian:yeah, i heard also that SAF is not that simple one. Besides the point that they can promise you oceans and mountains, and then might not deliver, there are also alot of internal politics and all that. Not much difference between a public sector company except it might be more "regulated" on the surface. -
So where are the ones who signed on because they love the military?
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If you officer, people arrow you, you still can shoot arrow down. If you SGT, people shoot arrow at you. You got to think carefully whether to shoot arrow to NSFs because they can screw you up badly.Originally posted by TXian:He failed his IPPT, still got hope to go OCS? Can attain silver but only because of Standing broad jump cannot pass *shakes head*
haiya, why wan to go OCS ar?? -
passion for your job is not the only consideration. although i agree signing on for money/overseas education could be a possibly wrong motive for signing on.. but like any job, one must consider the economic benefits of that jobOriginally posted by LazerLordz:So where are the ones who signed on because they love the military? -
After officer delegates his job to the SGT, he's FREEOriginally posted by KoolKool:If you officer, people arrow you, you still can shoot arrow down. If you SGT, people shoot arrow at you. You got to think carefully whether to shoot arrow to NSFs because they can screw you up badly. and he went to officers mess for happy hour everyday... happy life 
If want to sign on must sign on OFFICER -
yes i agree. sgts r like hamburger or dogs.Originally posted by maggot:After officer delegates his job to the SGT, he's FREE and he went to officers mess for happy hour everyday... happy life
If want to sign on must sign on OFFICER -
better description:Originally posted by bryanw:yes i agree. sgts r like hamburger or dogs.
sgts: hamburger - the meat in the middle... kena squeeze by officer on top and his men below.
men: the underdogs. -
lock on yur precious youthful 3 or 5 years by contract. break contract and pay back the benefits u received....Originally posted by BenBenDeZhu:SAF is worse, coz you cant quit just like that if you suai suai kena condamn.
even private companies contract is renewable by a year or two. even 5 years contract signed, u r free to leave after say 2 years... but for saf, it is no an option. no compromise pact can be made. -
Okay... this totally cracked me upOriginally posted by LazerLordz:If he can make COL, I'm sure he can push for Advanced Management courses at Harvard.
I'm sure he could transition into ST or some defence-related GLC without a hitch. -
Ya, that's what he was thinking too. Either sign up on officer, if not don't sign up.Originally posted by maggot:After officer delegates his job to the SGT, he's FREE and he went to officers mess for happy hour everyday... happy life
If want to sign on must sign on OFFICER
But with his shitty IPPT results, what are the chances left of him? Though his on top tell him if he sign up, they will push him to OCS, but I told him, better don't believe.
He keeps looking at the time after graduating from cadet school. What about the 9 months in OCS? what if he can't take it then OOC? what will happen to his contract? or what if he suay suay injure himself?? Like that peng la.. -
Also note that officer's reservist duties are longer than specialist and men
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I always very objective on the propects of signing on with the SAF.
I sign on as a specialist with the Army and already served the force for 6 years, doing quite okay. I obtain IPPT Gold every year.
Army provides you alot of exposure too, i makes alot of coperate world friends too. Personally, there is alot of naive people still inside the forces that thinks that Army will feed them for life which is not true. You need to earn it, you need to sacrifice time, friends, and even your loved ones.
I will be leaving the forces next year when i get my degree next year, if your bf is considering getting a degree but only had a specialist post, then better dont sign on.