Ex-teen actor starts jail term for insubordination in NS
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Well with this type of attitude, I'll not be surprised he'll land himself in DB again. He'll be a regular to DB unless he changed.....might as well sign on.....so long in army bey sianz???? Or maybe he like DB.
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if U are the parent...would U have not got legal help if U have the means?Originally posted by Fatum:the lawyers were call in .... something which only the parents could have paid for ..... that goes to show how much the parents over protect him -
as a chap who has served NS before, I'd know better than to call in outside lawyers in a court martial ... it's only an exercise in futility ... you can try to fight against the system, but the system will always win ... why do you think tis case was leaked to the press ? ... in trying to stir up a hornet's nest and generating a shit load of trouble for a lot more senior people involved, it's a forgone conclusion that he won't be able to get away with it and will get slapped down hard .......Originally posted by Xcert:if U are the parent...would U have not got legal help if U have the means?
and as we have seen from the replies thus far, this chap was no angel ... he needs to know the limits of his power, and that fighting or being fierce or loud or aggressive doesn't always get you what you want ....
if this was my son, I'd tell him to plead guilty, promise to mend his ways, and be humble and meek and truly contrite ...... but when he's done his week I'd take the cane to him ... to reinforce the lesson, even if it'd hurt me to do so ...... the fact that he hasn't moderated his behavior at all shows a deficiency in his upbringing I think .... if my son behaves like a hooligan outside ... I'd be ashamed .... -
Sorry but it is "Allen & Gledhill", not "alan and glenhill". In any case Wendell Wong is from Drew & Napier.Originally posted by Fatum:not to worry .... if mommy can marshal alan and glenhill to defend sonny against the big bullies in the SAF, mommy can park sonny off to a college in the states or australia nevermind ...
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nope, i think its if you go db for extended period of time. i forgot the duration leOriginally posted by zaxis:NUS, NTU & SMU
all above entry will be shut.
if serve DB cannot enter these U, even space reserve also release to waiting list people. -
it really depends on whether you think the legal help would help.Originally posted by Xcert:if U are the parent...would U have not got legal help if U have the means?
from wht i know of the saf and the legal/govt system in general, i doubt it will. therefore won't do it and advise to find sme other ways to reduce if possible -
It seems like this guy's ego is too big for himself to handle.
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sorry, my bad ...Originally posted by JLennon:Sorry but it is "Allen & Gledhill", not "alan and glenhill". In any case Wendell Wong is from Drew & Napier.
so he's some famous lawyer chap ? .... how much does he charge per day I wonder .... -
if i were his parents, i would
take tat cane, shine it up real nice, turn tat sumb!tch sideway and stick it straight up is candy poo a$s.
when it is all done, when the dust has settled, i would layeth the smacketh down on him and tell him, "know your role and shut your mouth" -
WW used to be a DPP before moving to Drew. Since the Andrea De Cruz case (in which he was her counsel), every other Mediacorp artistes seem to engage him. That's fame for you.Originally posted by Fatum:sorry, my bad ...
so he's some famous lawyer chap ? .... how much does he charge per day I wonder .... Not sure about his fees though. I am sure this turd can release a book on his seven day ordeal in DB to pay those legal fees. -
i am hoping this kind of brat gets beaten to half cripple in db.
really cannot stand his xl look + attitude. -
I think yes, this private is in the wrong. but i feel, there should be some latitude.
Nowadays, youngsters are very different than from the past.
They are more outspoken, educated, and more assertive.
It is no surprise that these cases are in the media spotlight.
we are in the information age, right?
In the past, when I was serving army, it was also told to us, going DB will hurt us cause it may means a delay in going to Uni , etc etc. -
it's not the first time he's been charged .... and he didn't wake up from his idea ....Originally posted by iceFatboy:I think yes, this private is in the wrong. but i feel, there should be some latitude.
Nowadays, youngsters are very different than from the past.
They are more outspoken, educated, and more assertive.
It is no surprise that these cases are in the media spotlight.
we are in the information age, right?
In the past, when I was serving army, it was also told to us, going DB will hurt us cause it may means a delay in going to Uni , etc etc.
if you have a rap sheet hanging over your head already, you should be smart enough to know that everyone will be watching you very closely, all the more so when your mother called in outside lawyers and raised a big stink all the way up to mindef ......
but he wasn't wise enough to do that .... time to pay the price .... better the army do it now, than for him to pay a much heavier price when he comes out to society as an adult ... -
You can be outspoken, educated and more assertive but that does not grant you the right of insubordination.Originally posted by iceFatboy:I think yes, this private is in the wrong. but i feel, there should be some latitude.
Nowadays, youngsters are very different than from the past.
They are more outspoken, educated, and more assertive.
It is no surprise that these cases are in the media spotlight.
we are in the information age, right?
In the past, when I was serving army, it was also told to us, going DB will hurt us cause it may means a delay in going to Uni , etc etc. -
which is why this punk must be taught wellOriginally posted by JLennon:You can be outspoken, educated and more assertive but that does not grant you the right of insubordination. -
Quite sad lah.... saw him start off as a Jimmy Lin wannabe and then 'Aloy' in PCK and now end up like that. Do such teen artistes think that the world revolve around their insignificant lives? They are exposed to the society earlier than us and yet fail to grasp how the society actually works.Originally posted by de_middle:which is why this punk must be taught well -
Yeah......his parents are at fault too.....just look at the amount of money his brain -dead mother spent on lawyers fees.....according to TODAY's report..... according to his mother's proud announcement...$80,000 big ones!!Originally posted by Fatum:I'm blaming the parents too ..... IMO it's the parents who molly-coddle their offspring that they turn into such brats .....
instead of sucking it up and taking it like a man ..... the lawyers were call in .... something which only the parents could have paid for ..... that goes to show how much the parents over protect him .... ho seh liao ... lawyers get called in, the press gets wind of this, and now he's all over the news ...... all his face's gone ....
welcome to the real world boi ....
And for what??.......to save a jack-a s s, lame-duck, retard son from paying his dues in detention for insubordination towards his superiors in the SAF?? That's a retard decision on the part of his brain-dead mother!!
Well....if this jack-a s s doesn't respect authority in the SAF......he'll be worse off when he is in civilian job......any boss orders him to do a task, he'll refuse as and when he does'nt feel like it.......such retard, m o r o n jack-a s s he is!!
Deserve to spent time in detention.........hehehe.........he'll just have to get use to detention's hair cut........suits his retard looks just fine....hehehe
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wtf ? .... $80k ? ... the average singkie worker doesn't even earn that much in a year ! .....
the parents ought to be ashamed ...... tsk tsk tsk ....
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[quote]Originally posted by hisoka:
the only thing is, i wonder if he was adviced on his chances of winning properly.......[/quote
When you engage a lawyer to fight a case for you.....99% of lawyers will tell you, you will have a very good chance of winning.......what they did not tell you is......they have 100% of winning your fees.........win or lose....lawyers rack in the $$$$$.. -
Yeah.... greater level of education and assertiveness does not mean that you forget all about authority and good manners.Originally posted by JLennon:You can be outspoken, educated and more assertive but that does not grant you the right of insubordination.
Like it or not, there is no excuse for whatever he did. Like I said before, we've all been through the kinda crap he's been through..... in many cases, more than what he's been through.
If his actions can be excused due to his experiences, assertiveness and education, then I say that we can all act as hooligans. -
From TODAY Online:
Actor's detention upheld
Leong Wee Keat
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TELEVISION viewers know him as Phua Chu Kang's nephew, Aloy. But actor Marcus Ng Yi Loong was at the heart of a real-life courtroom drama yesterday.
A full-time National Serviceman, Ng was appealing against a subordinate military court ruling, after he had been convicted on two charges of insubordinate behaviour and conduct to the prejudice of good discipline.
On Feb 28 last year, Ng's superior at Nee Soon Camp's SAF Medical Training Institute called Ng and another serviceman into a room to address them about an earlier incident.
After reprimanding the other serviceman, Second Warrant Officer Saraswathi told Ng, who had asked, "Why me?", not to question her orders.
Ng became angry and accused 2WO Saraswathi of picking on him.
Both raised their voices.
Afterwards, Ng confronted her outside the room and their two-minute exchange drew the attention of Master Warrant Officer Ger Ah Kee.
Seeking to defuse the situation, MWO Ger put his hand on Ng's shoulder.
Ng rudely shrugged MWO Ger's hand off by moving his shoulder aggressively.
Later, Ng was sentenced to seven days' detention on each of the two charges, with the sentences to run concurrently.
The 22-year-old appealed to the Military Court of Appeal, making the case that the Court Martial judge, in convicting him, had erred in law and in fact.
Ng's lawyer Wendell Wong said there were conflicting accounts from eyewitnesses, and called the sentence "manifestly excessive" and "crushing for a young serviceman", while citing other cases where servicemen were given fines, a reprimand or letter of warning for seemingly more serious offences.
In response, Singapore Armed Forces prosecutor Luke Tan argued that the Court Martial's finding of guilt was based "on sound and established legal principles".
The five-member panel of the Military Court of Appeal, chaired by High Court Judge Justice Choo Han Teck, agreed.
They dismissed Ng's appeal against his conviction and sentence on the charge of insubordination, even as they reduced Ng's sentence on the second charge to a reprimand.
This means Ng still has to serve seven days' detention.
This was not Ng's first brush with military law. Last October, he was convicted and fined $1,000 for two other offences of disobedience and non-compliance. Lawyers were also hired for him at the time.
Ng's mother, Mdm Florence Tan, told reporters she has spent $80,000 on legal fees.
She gave her son a hug before he was led away to begin his detention. -
Yes ...I totally agree that he cannot be counted as a white horse for his two bit child acting at TCS.....but sadly.....he sure THINKS he is.....hahahahaha!!!!Originally posted by Fatum:I would hardly think that a two bit child actor from TCS would be counted as a white horse ... 
a retard with an over expanded ego!! -
Originally posted by FireAndHell:
no lah. the lawyer forgot to tell them that the chance of winning a case against the govt is almost 0%.
[quote]Originally posted by hisoka:
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the only thing is, i wonder if he was adviced on his chances of winning properly.......[/quote
When you engage a lawyer to fight a case for you.....99% of lawyers will tell you, you will have a very good chance of winning.......what they did not tell you is......they have 100% of winning your fees.........win or lose....lawyers rack in the $$$$$.. [/b] -
that's right ... some chap (probably haven't served NS before) asked before if misery loved company ... that's not the point ... the point is that people like him, if he's allowed to get away thing such things, make a mockery of the rest of us who did our jobs and served our time conscientiously, and followed and obeyed orders, with nary a complaint ....Originally posted by fudgester:Yeah.... greater level of education and assertiveness does not mean that you forget all about authority and good manners.
Like it or not, there is no excuse for whatever he did. Like I said before, we've all been through the kinda crap he's been through..... in many cases, more than what he's been through.
If his actions can be excused due to his experiences, assertiveness and education, then I say that we can all act as hooligans.
in war time such people are shot ..... -
What about Short n Sharp parades round the square during Starlight parade....@10pm with full packs on? Do they practice this anymore?.....During my NS days.....i've seen many DB detainees go through this drill....... very siong for their legs ....wahahaah!!Originally posted by tarutaru:Yes....they still shave detainees botak. Heard they also still march around except not in brick but in sand bag.