It is the break in momentum that the reservist is hated. We are all comfortable in our civilian roles then once a year, we go back military roles.
Originally posted by eagle:go read the past threads in health and fitness corner in hardwarezone forums. There are people who do workouts very very late at night or early early in the morning (and they just fathered a new kid somemore) for the sake of fitness.
If you have the will and motivation, you will have the time. Fitness is a self-responsibility. Be glad that you are actually being paid to take care of your own responsibility here.
I work out after work at night and on weekends. like that lo.. sometimes go out then feel quite guilty..
On the national scale, having reservists is a good balance between the necessity of having a large standing force and draining the economy by depriving it of workers.
On the personal scale, reservist is for you to make sure that you keep relatively fit, and remember how to shoot a rifle, throw a grenade, etc, so in case war breaks out you at least have some chance of surviving and defending your family.
Like others said, it also provides a break from work, which is welcomed by some people :)
Before you complain about reservist, why not spend some time to think about what would happen if we did not have reservist-- and not think just about yourself or the short term.
I think it is a win-win situation overall.
"On the personal scale, reservist is for you to make sure that you keep relatively fit, and remember how to shoot a rifle, throw a grenade, etc, so in case war breaks out you at least have some chance of surviving and defending your family."
Increase from 1% to 2%. When war breaks out, if survival is the goal, there will be mass surrenders. People can shoot rifles thats not the problem its like riding a bike. Its how accurate they are. When you have practice once in a year etc. Led by 20 year old officers who in turn led by officers who never been to war, not even in a peacekeeping role.
I have no problems with a VOLUNTEER reservist force. If people volunteer and they should be compensated with greater incentives.
"Before you complain about reservist, why not spend some time to think about what would happen if we did not have reservist-- and not think just about yourself or the short term."
Really. If there was a larger REGULAR army + a VOLUNTEER reservist force, what would have changed?
You really think the point of Singapore's Conscript army is to DEFEND the island. Hardly. It is to enforce a political hierarchy more than anything else. Can you name me any countries who have any economic or political reasons to annexe Singapore?
Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:"On the personal scale, reservist is for you to make sure that you keep relatively fit, and remember how to shoot a rifle, throw a grenade, etc, so in case war breaks out you at least have some chance of surviving and defending your family."
Increase from 1% to 2%. When war breaks out, if survival is the goal, there will be mass surrenders. People can shoot rifles thats not the problem its like riding a bike. Its how accurate they are. When you have practice once in a year etc.
I have no problems with a VOLUNTEER reservist force. If people volunteer and they should be compensated with greater incentives.
"Before you complain about reservist, why not spend some time to think about what would happen if we did not have reservist-- and not think just about yourself or the short term."
Really. If there was a larger REGULAR army + a VOLUNTEER reservist force, what would have changed?
You really think the point of Singapore's Conscript army is to DEFEND the island. Hardly. It is to enforce a political hierarchy more than anything else. Can you name me any countries who have any economic or political reasons to annexe Singapore?
the only way to survive is to fight. not to give up or surrender. what makes you think surrendering will ensure your life being spared?
if conscript army isn't large enough, where you dig out the larger regular army unless we all sign on instead of being NS?
Finally, your last point is sensitive and I don't suppose we should highlight any country or people or whoever or whatever.
"the only way to survive is to fight. not to give up or surrender. what makes you think surrendering will ensure your life being spared?"
Dunno leh. Maybe learn from the great leader LKY.
"if conscript army isn't large enough"
Then whats the point of having the conscript army?
I am not opposed to NS as much I am to reservist. Dont give me that camadarie bullshit - I am not a 12 year old. If people have to fight and reassign to different companies etc., they will. It is the 21st century and not utilizing hand to hand combat.
Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:"the only way to survive is to fight. not to give up or surrender. what makes you think surrendering will ensure your life being spared?"
Dunno leh. Maybe learn from the great leader LKY.
"if conscript army isn't large enough"
Then whats the point of having the conscript army?
I am not opposed to NS as much I am to reservist. Dont give me that camadarie bullshit - I am not a 12 year old. If people have to fight and reassign to different companies etc., they will. It is the 21st century and not utilizing hand to hand combat.
What has LKY got to do with surrendering?
The point of the conscript army is simple. it's basically all men in singapore is accounted for. everyone counts, be it service, or combat. it's not very huge, but you can't get anywhere nearer with all regular army unless EVERYONE sign on.
NS is a basic training. in terms of ops, you're assigned according to vocations. just like if you come from design background, are you telling me that all the skills you acquired in the course of study can only be used in the design field? Surely, you can work around other lines as long as your skill set can match with the job requirement?
I am not giving you any camadarie bullshit. I never treat you like a 12 yr old. but your robotic responses and posts against the ruling party is kind of hilarious. almost every freaking thing you can link to LKY and his party. Since you're not that young, what's the point of freaking whining here? Get a life dude. and that includes all your other party members.
"What has LKY got to do with surrendering?"
Because during WWII he worked for the Japanese. If that is not the epitome of surrendering and turning traitor, ensuring one's own survival, I don't know what is.
"almost every freaking thing you can link to LKY and his party"
Why leh. Could it be because he and his party is the ruler of the island. Therefore we are the foot soldiers, they the kings.
"Since you're not that young, what's the point of freaking whining here? Get a life dude. and that includes all your other party members."
Same can be said for you. Unless you are paid to post in these forums.
"NS is a basic training. in terms of ops, you're assigned according to vocations."
Funny leh, you mentioned as long a person has a rifle can already what.
Face it Singapore is not at 24/7 war like Israel, yet the reservist training is more than of Israel.
I want to ask a question; if the opposition captures the island, would you be loyal to the island then?
Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:"What has LKY got to do with surrendering?"
Because during WWII he worked for the Japanese. If that is not the epitome of surrendering and turning traitor, ensuring one's own survival, I don't know what is.
"almost every freaking thing you can link to LKY and his party"
Why leh. Could it be because he and his party is the ruler of the island. Therefore we are the foot soldiers, they the kings.
"Since you're not that young, what's the point of freaking whining here? Get a life dude. and that includes all your other party members."
Same can be said for you. Unless you are paid to post in these forums.
"NS is a basic training. in terms of ops, you're assigned according to vocations."
Funny leh, you mentioned as long a person has a rifle can already what.
Face it Singapore is not at 24/7 war like Israel, yet the reservist training is more than of Israel.
I don't know what the hell LKY did in WWII. But I don't believe in surrendering.
They are the ruling party and there's nothing you can do about it.
I'm not paid to post here. and I don't whine like you did.
Assignment to vocations is a different issue to having a rifle or not. You simply don't understand.
if you don't mind, why don't you tell us what unit you're in? I'm very curious in how you're trained, if you're so-called ORDed.
Singapore is not at war 24/7 but you want to wait for things to happen then you regret is it?
what do you mean the island? I will fight for my love ones and family no matter who rules this country or whatever island.
Loyalty is not an issue here. it's the family and friends who're worth fighting for.
"I'm not paid to post here. and I don't whine like you did."
Please tell how I whined. I simply stated my opinions. You dont like my opinions, too bad.
"if you don't mind, why don't you tell us what unit you're in? I'm very curious in how you're trained,"
Who are you? "Cuddles". I would also like to know your identity leh. I know with fools like you in the army...
"I don't know what the hell LKY did in WWII. But I don't believe in surrendering."
A solider fighting for a country he doesnt know the history of. Fucking ridiculous.
"They are the ruling party and there's nothing you can do about it."
Yes I can.
"it's the family and friends who're worth fighting for."
We all do that on a daily basis for our OWN individual families and friends. We are not communists.
Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:"I'm not paid to post here. and I don't whine like you did."
Please tell how I whined. I simply stated my opinions. You dont like my opinions, too bad.
"if you don't mind, why don't you tell us what unit you're in? I'm very curious in how you're trained,"
Who are you? "Cuddles". I would also like to know your identity leh. I know with fools like you in the army...
"I don't know what the hell LKY did in WWII. But I don't believe in surrendering."
A solider fighting for a country he doesnt know the history of. Fucking ridiculous.
"They are the ruling party and there's nothing you can do about it."
Yes I can.
I didn't ask for your name. I merely asked what unit were you in before. to see what kind of training have you got. if you don't want to say nevermind. I don't believe you got any unit training anyway.
mind your language friend, we also don't need to go through war to know that it's suffering. so what if you know about his history? the end result is the same. I still fight for my family and friends.
What can you do about it? are we going to see you leading any opposition? if your arguments are so strong and can win over the people's votes, why not go try?
"I don't believe you got any unit training anyway."
Believe all you want. If only I was a clerk / storeman / cook. What are YOU trained as? I think must be infantry / riflemen.
"so what if you know about history?"
Then you would know what kind of country you are fighting for and what kind of leader that founded the country. People fight for their family and friends on a daily basis, its called working and participating in politics. The people who kill for their family and friends are called gangsters / mafia. Ever heard before? If you really want to protect society etc, theres the police force and the firefighters.
The army fights for a COUNTRY.
"are we going to see you leading any opposition? if your arguments are so strong and can win over the people's votes, why not go try?
So if reservist training gets trimmed down etc due to the opposition, would you oppose it?
Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:"I don't believe you got any unit training anyway."
Believe all you want. If only I was a clerk / storeman / cook. What are YOU trained as? I think must be infantry / riflemen.
"so what if you know about history?"
Then you would know what kind of country you are fighting for. People fight for their family and friends on a daily basis, its called working and participating in politics.
"are we going to see you leading any opposition? if your arguments are so strong and can win over the people's votes, why not go try?
So if reservist training gets trimmed down etc due to the opposition, would you oppose it?
I already posted before where I was from. but the point is, I'm not trying to bash you for any training. it's just that I don't understand since you were not the service side, you should know roles are interchangable according to vocation.
seriously, singapore is below average if you were to ask me. But that's because of my own humble background. I can't blame anybody. It's not that we are obliged to fight for singapore. good or bad, it did house us for the lifetime we spent as well as our families and friends. Poor or Rich, it is still a place where we fought in for a living. So in a way, we just repay the nation with our NS of 2 yrs and the reservist, that's it.
If you can justify all the arguments in a very logical way, I believe no matter where you go, sure got people support.
if you see right now, only a few in spkers corner including you are merely bashers and most people don't take you seriously. instead of just posting articles from other sites, why don't you post with a more objective manner? like if you want to solve, lets say ERP issues, come out with a precise plan? discuss objectively rather than just pen down a judgmental statement.
"Poor or Rich, it is still a place where we fought in for a living. "
Within a large country, people live in their respective states or cities making a living. Do their states etc have armies?
"like if you want to solve, lets say ERP issues, come out with a precise plan? discuss objectively rather than just pen down a judgmental statement."
A. I am not paid to do so. B. These suggestions will not be made public for the PAP to steal. C. This is not the kind of forum.
"most people don't take you seriously."
Who takes any anonymous poster in Sgforums seriously.
"only a few in spkers corner including you are merely bashers"
You accuse me of robotic answers? I only read defending family and friends repeated over and over again. Did people like you ever discuss the merits and disadvantages of reducing/getting rid of Conscript Reservist Training objectively? I forget you say a larger regular army would cost MORE than the costs needed to feed a conscript amateur army, without citing any numbers.
"If you can justify all the arguments in a very logical way, I believe no matter where you go, sure got people support."
Untrue. Some people will not accept logical arguments because of their own vested interests. Eg. like you explain to your superior officer that he made a wrong or bad decision, he just say follow orders or I court martial you.
Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:"Poor or Rich, it is still a place where we fought in for a living. "
Within a large country, people live in their respective states or cities making a living. Do their states etc have armies?
"like if you want to solve, lets say ERP issues, come out with a precise plan? discuss objectively rather than just pen down a judgmental statement."
A. I am not paid to do so. B. These suggestions will not be made public for the PAP to steal. C. This is not the kind of forum.
"most people don't take you seriously."
Who takes any anonymous poster in Sgforums seriously.
"only a few in spkers corner including you are merely bashers"
You accuse me of robotic answers? I only read defending family and friends repeated over and over again. Did people like you ever discuss the merits and disadvantages of reducing/getting rid of Conscript Reservist Training objectively? I forget you say a larger regular army would cost MORE than the costs needed to feed a conscript amateur army, without citing any numbers.
seriously, I can't talk to you properly. I keep repeating the family and friends part also not what I want. it's just that I think regarding to the question what I fight for, I will say that again.
those people in states will volunteer to join the army for the nation itself. the states don't have their own army but they do have the nation's army.
Your answers A, B and C is very typical. then don't share here, work it out with your mates and run for election ba.. then we'll hear it first hand from you nobody can steal.
I don't have numbers on the cost of everything. I don't believe you have either. at least on the spot right now. Nobody can provide any definite numbers on the spot. but if you were to really discuss on a thread specifically targeting let's say the army issue. I'm sure those people in the military nuts forum can provide you with an satisfied answer on figures.
you can present your logical ideals. but there will be people who accept and don't accept. thats why you need to gain supporters. come up with valid, reasonable solutions for their everyday problems. I'm sure more people will vote for you.
you might be replying to the post, but I'm going to sleep liao.. still got work tomorrow.
reply you when I see the post ah.. :)
wa cuddles and Uncle Ver SG, you two got interesting arguement ah.. mind if i step in and give my 1cent? I haven't really given any deeeeeep thoughts about the purpose and usefulness of reservist and conscript army and all, but.. I do know a simple analogy that can relate the purpose of reservist for all NS Men..
It's just like a family living in a house. You can't expect to be a sleeping member and just sit down watch tv, eat dinner, play PS3, surf internet, do all these and don't do the house chores, do you? You got to contribute and help clean the window, mop the floor and what not..
Same goes for all man in SG.. We can't live off in a environment, enjoy everything, and then at the end of the day decide that we don't wanna do reservist, do we?
I don't give a shit what LKY did during WWII, I do not have to learn from him. Doesn't mean Bill has a fucking scandal and the rest of America needs to fuck like he did.
We're already a small country, we did all we could to make sure we have the maximum potential of the country, meaning conscripts, regulars and reservists. Reservist training is vital to make sure that everyone understands and remember what he's part in the fighting force is.
You don't fight for the million dollar pay ministers, you fight so that you can survive and make sure your country is free from asshats invading in, after that, you do what you want with the ministers.
Originally posted by VagueHart:I don't give a shit what LKY did during WWII, I do not have to learn from him. Doesn't mean Bill has a fucking scandal and the rest of America needs to fuck like he did.
We're already a small country, we did all we could to make sure we have the maximum potential of the country, meaning conscripts, regulars and reservists. Reservist training is vital to make sure that everyone understands and remember what he's part in the fighting force is.
You don't fight for the million dollar pay ministers, you fight so that you can survive and make sure your country is free from asshats invading in, after that, you do what you want with the ministers.
Too goddamn late. You singkie males enjoy NS and reservist while PRCs, indian nationals, and other foreigners take your jobs and piss all over the country.
Originally posted by rooki:
Too goddamn late. You singkie males enjoy NS and reservist while PRCs, indian nationals, and other foreigners take your jobs and piss all over the country.
PR also need NS
Originally posted by rooki:
Too goddamn late. You singkie males enjoy NS and reservist while PRCs, indian nationals, and other foreigners take your jobs and piss all over the country.
please, every man lags 2 years behind, but it doesn't stop anyone earning a decent living unless your hopes are sky high when your abilities are sea deep.
Originally posted by superlibra:wa cuddles and Uncle Ver SG, you two got interesting arguement ah.. mind if i step in and give my 1cent? I haven't really given any deeeeeep thoughts about the purpose and usefulness of reservist and conscript army and all, but.. I do know a simple analogy that can relate the purpose of reservist for all NS Men..
It's just like a family living in a house. You can't expect to be a sleeping member and just sit down watch tv, eat dinner, play PS3, surf internet, do all these and don't do the house chores, do you? You got to contribute and help clean the window, mop the floor and what not..
Same goes for all man in SG.. We can't live off in a environment, enjoy everything, and then at the end of the day decide that we don't wanna do reservist, do we?
lol.. superlibra.. this is not the first time.. :P
Too bad, it's my nation, not theirs. The same goes for us when we go over to other countries and take THEIR job, we need not serve their nation.
This people WILL have to turn into Singaporeans or at least hold a PR status if they want a long lasting job, which mean they in turn will still have to serve.
But it's true to some extend.. I really hope we can learn from France, the FFL.
"This people WILL have to turn into Singaporeans or at least hold a PR status if they want a long lasting job, which mean they in turn will still have to serve."
At the age of 30+.
"The same goes for us when we go over to other countries and take THEIR job, we need not serve their nation."
Most Western countries dont have the draft.