NSman: Post Out/ Transfer Unit/ Attach Out?
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Hi,
I am new to this forum and I need some advice on my request to post out of my combat unit.
I am a PES C9L2 NSMan and I have been permanently excused from carrying heavy loads.
I have been suffering from back problems for the past 10 years due to the carrying of STB during my NSF days in the pioneer platoon. 5 years ago my back problem got so bad that I knew that was no way I could carry pioneer stores on my back and walk for 10-20km in outfield missions during ICT. I consulted a specialist and taken a few MRIs. I was temporarily downgraded in 2005 and then permanently downgraded in 2007 to C9L2 in 2007 due to my lower back problems.
Since being downgraded, my active unit called me back for 3 ICT and 1 mobilization. For the 2 week ICTs, I had to carry all my personal equipment and other necessities required for a 2 week stay in camp back to camp and then out of camp after the ICT. All these heavy load caused me to suffer from acute lower back pain. The same is true for mobilization as we are required to carry all our personal equipment and report to camp.
To make matter worse, during the 3 ICT I attended after being downgraded, I have been made to to carry stores, ammos, go for parades as a necessary part of my duties. All of these aggravated my back problem causing me more severe pain and suffering.My back problem is now worse than before. I am extremely worried about going for ICT again because I am unable to carry all the heavy stuff that is necessary for ICT.I consulted my specialist again and went for another medical review with the MO. The MO said he understood my problem but he does not have the authority to post me out of a combat unit. The MO told me I that the proper channel for me is to contact my unit and that he will send me to the medical board and the medical board then permanently excused me from heavy loads.I then sent a email to [email protected] explaining the reasons for my request to be posted out of the combat unit and was informed that my request has been sent to my unit and I will be contacted by the unit very soon.After 3 weeks when nobody contacted me at all, I sent another email to [email protected] to follow up and the next day a warrant officer called me to inform me that I have been reassigned as a ASA 1 month ago and is no longer under the pioneer platoon but I still belong to the combat unit. I had to explain my problems and reasons for requesting to be posted out of the combat unit all over again. It was obvious that the warrant officer did not even bother to read my email and did not bother to handle my case even after 3 weeks of receiving my request.After I have finished stating my case, the warrant officer stated to me that its a SAF regulation that a NSMan has to stay with the unit even he is downgraded to PES E. Only after I reiterated that I am in no condition to serve in a combat unit and after I insisited that I want to speak to somebody with the authority to handle my request did the warrent officer said she would send my request to the unit. She still added that most of the unit personnel are overseas in a exercise and there is no way she know when she can let me know the results.All these seem like a pushing responsibility exercise to me. MO say he cant anything, warrant officer says request will be sent to unit after 3 weeks of receiving the request and then still stated nobody in unit is around to handle the request.I have a ICT on Nov 2rd 2009 and I dont have the time to wait until somebody is interested to handle my request. I am also very certain that the warrant officer will not be calling me back at all. I am considering to approach my MP but I want to do this only as a last resort.Can anybody offer me any advice on who or which SAF department I can call and highlight my problems. I just need to speak to somebody who has authority to handle my request and not ignore it.Thanks. -
ASA is clerk liao, means u are in the combat unit but going to do clerk stuff stuff only (means sit in office blow air-con).
If during ICT they still want to ask u carry things, show them your medical certificate, if they insist, request to go to medical centre and ask the MO to phone the f**ker and ask the f**ker to go fly kite.
I am suprised that u are NSMen liao u still don't know vocation, PES and unit difference. I.e. you can be a clerk PES E but you are in a combat unit for ICT doing clerk stuff.
Do you also know, even u request to post out, there is still the chance, u are still post to a NEW combat unit doing clerk stuff in a even worst situation than before? Why? Because
1) As a clerk AKA ASA is NOT tied to specific formation, meaning, u suay, u can kena posted to Sungei Gedong/Tuas naval base or some ulu place for reservist.
2) you have to start all over again, friends, officers, enciks, etc.
3) Some ICT units regimentation can be even worst off. Siao-on officers, crazy enciks, etc.
4) worst case, is come back as RSM slave where the RSM can think of alot of sai gang that doesn't affect your back but still give you a shitty time.
so you weigh the pros and cons, bottomline is unless downgrade to PES F and execuse ICT permeantly, chances are u still need to do ICT as clerk regardless in a combat or non-combat unit. (even now PES E also need to come back for ICT)
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Thanks for you advice.
In anycase, ASA or pioneer platoon whatever, it does not solve my problem. I cant carry heavy load. All I am asking is that SAF do not put in a situation that I have to carry heavy load.
Obviously I cannot go in for a 2 week ICT without carrying anything into camp. Obviously I cannot turn up for a mobilization with my gear or I am going to get charged. I am not able to function normally within a combat unit.
If I am going to Tuas Naval base for reservist but I just need to bring myself there everyday without the need to carry anything so be it. What I am asking for, is not to be put in a situation that I have to carry heavy load because the pain is unbearable for me.
I have served the nation for so many years and now developed acute back problems due to serving the nation. I think its not outrageous to ask my unit to help me prevent my back problems from getting worst.
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If me, I will flash the excuse slip and tell them i cannot do those things.
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Originally posted by LSK32:
Thanks for you advice.
In anycase, ASA or pioneer platoon whatever, it does not solve my problem. I cant carry heavy load. All I am asking is that SAF do not put in a situation that I have to carry heavy load.
Obviously I cannot go in for a 2 week ICT without carrying anything into camp. Obviously I cannot turn up for a mobilization with my gear or I am going to get charged. I am not able to function normally within a combat unit.
If I am going to Tuas Naval base for reservist but I just need to bring myself there everyday without the need to carry anything so be it. What I am asking for, is not to be put in a situation that I have to carry heavy load because the pain is unbearable for me.
I have served the nation for so many years and now developed acute back problems due to serving the nation. I think its not outrageous to ask my unit to help me prevent my back problems from getting worst.
Can u tell me what is the actual problem for your back ? What is the medical term ?
I hv the same case as u. but i keep fighting for 2 years until i was downgraded to E9L9 with excuse heavy load perm in feb. My unit has no choice but to kick me out and put me on medical holding list..now no one ask me back for ICT.
Iwent back as C9L3 clerk in Nov Last year. with excuse outfield, RMJ, physical training, prolong sitting, heavy load,etc. But as a clerk in my unit, i have to go outfield 3 days 2 nite. but i manage to "siam "with excuse uniform when i go ICT. my units are all MOs so they don care wat excuses u have.
so u have to find a way out if u think u have a problem. u have to learn to protect urself.
the only way for u now is to downgrade further. Can PM me if u need help on back problem. I have some knowledge of their PES grading for back problem.
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Originally posted by LSK32:
Thanks for you advice.
In anycase, ASA or pioneer platoon whatever, it does not solve my problem. I cant carry heavy load. All I am asking is that SAF do not put in a situation that I have to carry heavy load.
Obviously I cannot go in for a 2 week ICT without carrying anything into camp. Obviously I cannot turn up for a mobilization with my gear or I am going to get charged. I am not able to function normally within a combat unit.
If I am going to Tuas Naval base for reservist but I just need to bring myself there everyday without the need to carry anything so be it. What I am asking for, is not to be put in a situation that I have to carry heavy load because the pain is unbearable for me.
I have served the nation for so many years and now developed acute back problems due to serving the nation. I think its not outrageous to ask my unit to help me prevent my back problems from getting worst.
ASA = Clerk
Clerk in office all day.
I understand your problem, I myself also recommend ppl to f**k SAF and protect your own health first.
But must also understand ppl inside mah, they are overseas, u are currently in reservist unit which is most likely handle by an active unit. In turn is either a clerk that is incharge supervise by the admin officer. If both of them are overseas, even u get a MP or a external more powerful officer to come in also not much use. You still have to wait for them to come back then something can happen.
Furthermore, ur case must be super solid to have a higher chance for transfer. There are ppl who are als in the clerk with medical condition worst off than you still kena stuck in the combat unit also, they will sort of form the baseline that you will be compared to, so like I said, ur case must be super solid.
I am repeating again, the excuse heavy load will follow u to whatever unit you go to, even ur request is approved. Even in a non-combat unit, there will be still ppl who think you are chow keng and ask you to carry things so in the end, you still have to fall back to your medical certificate to shove it in their face.
So what is the difference in shoving it in your current unit's face and shoving in the new unit's face? To me shoving it in your current unit's face seems better as you know the ppl there.
That said, my recommendation, if you want action, you have to keep bugging the living crap of this ppl until action is taken. Like I said, NSF being NSF, can forget, will forget, can tuang, will go tuang, etc, u also NSF before, u also know the attitude. So have to push them abit but again dun over do it until they bite back and charge u @_@.
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dude..ur an NSMan leh...Reservist...
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L2 is still deployable; perhaps you can get your specialist to recommend you for a downgrade, hopefully L9. Then by directive, you can only do sedentary work. And since you're already NSMan, seriously.. don't let those enciks jiak you.. Even if they threaten with court martial, it's just a fine..
P.S. There's always the MP
when you were NSF, this can't play that can't play, really is let people jiak. Now you've gotten back your pink IC, be smart a bit Pes C reservist 5 cycles (or is it years?) only... Play smart and tahan awhile, ROD already what also can 
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Originally posted by Detached:
L2 is still deployable; perhaps you can get your specialist to recommend you for a downgrade, hopefully L9. Then by directive, you can only do sedentary work. And since you're already NSMan, seriously.. don't let those enciks jiak you.. Even if they threaten with court martial, it's just a fine..
P.S. There's always the MP
when you were NSF, this can't play that can't play, really is let people jiak. Now you've gotten back your pink IC, be smart a bit Pes C reservist 5 cycles (or is it years?) only... Play smart and tahan awhile, ROD already what also can My specialist letter already stated that I should be excused from SBO, arms and field training. I presented the letter to the MO. The MO obviously ignored what was written in the letter and just send me to medical board requesting me to be excused from heavy load.
That is why I am so frustrated. I get the feeling that all the MO wants to do is to pacify me and not really help me solve my problem
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me also pes E le/ Runner in army
me also in combat unit
leh
also wear green uniform and move around
So Even u Pes E, dun mean they transfer u out le
U might still remain in where u are lor
Anyway me already MR le
TS, all the best to u..
Pes A or B or C or E
We are still told that
We are all fighters!!!
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Originally posted by Patiepie:
Can u tell me what is the actual problem for your back ? What is the medical term ?
I hv the same case as u. but i keep fighting for 2 years until i was downgraded to E9L9 with excuse heavy load perm in feb. My unit has no choice but to kick me out and put me on medical holding list..now no one ask me back for ICT.
Iwent back as C9L3 clerk in Nov Last year. with excuse outfield, RMJ, physical training, prolong sitting, heavy load,etc. But as a clerk in my unit, i have to go outfield 3 days 2 nite. but i manage to "siam "with excuse uniform when i go ICT. my units are all MOs so they don care wat excuses u have.
so u have to find a way out if u think u have a problem. u have to learn to protect urself.
the only way for u now is to downgrade further. Can PM me if u need help on back problem. I have some knowledge of their PES grading for back problem.
Hi Patiepie,
Thanks for your reply, I have already PM you. Hope I can hear from you soon.
Thanks.