Sign On: Perception of Regulars as a 'Friend' ?
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Originally posted by ☃®:
They are protected by the military when they are there, and whe they go out to the actual world, they think its military and use the same principles, which is wrong coz in the civilian world, nobody gives a f*ck about yr army rank and its the fittest and smartest survive, not ranks
Haha for someone who didn't get anywhere in NS and in life, it's ironic you used the two words used here, intelligence and fitness. If you were so smart and fit, you would have been assigned to a different lot in NS, whether you wanted it or not.
Those of us who know the system very well know how it works.
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Originally posted by insidestory:
What a fucking loser to retire as a CPT. i think even if you accidentally served bad food to CDF and gave him diarrhoea its pretty hard to retire as a CPT.
I think he might be a poly sign on.
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Originally posted by Lokey:
I think he might be a poly sign on.
even poly sign on will retire as MAJ.
Anyway a more likely explanation is that the 'former regular' did not leave the service at retirement, and instead left in his late 20s or early 30s. poster didn't say the CPT left the service at retirement.
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Originally posted by insidestory:
Its because TS and the scanty few idiots who concur with him were LCP in their NS days and suffered from anti-commander syndrome. If he had been or could be even a 3SG or 2LT it would have been different for him. But not every LCP suffer from this syndrome, as you can see from this thread many don't have any confidence issues (inferiority complex) and do not care.
NO.
I have friends who are NSF officer or SGT ...
But regular are different because the way they talk is different (a kind of rude). And they are so in military that they have no connection to the outside world, for example, recession got nothing to do with them. there is no "link" to our world at all. how to carry on a conversion in this manner. And everything they do is "confidential" so nothing to talk about.
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Originally posted by insidestory:
Haha for someone who didn't get anywhere in NS and in life, it's ironic you used the two words used here, intelligence and fitness. If you were so smart and fit, you would have been assigned to a different lot in NS, whether you wanted it or not. Those of us who know the system very well know how it works.
!!?? <- I dont understand what you talking.
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Originally posted by Lokey:
NO.
I have friends who are NSF officer or SGT ...
But regular are different because the way they talk is different (a kind of rude). And they are so in military that they have no connection to the outside world, for example, recession got nothing to do with them. there is no "link" to our world at all. how to carry on a conversion in this manner. And everything they do is "confidential" so nothing to talk about.
Hahah are you sure?! You're the only one who said this whereas the consensus of this thread is that it takes all kinds to make up regulars, just as it takes all kinds to make up civilians, hawkers, janitors, toilet cleaners, doctors, lawyers, pastors and salesmen.
I've met all kinds of regulars, in both the specialist and officer groups, and I don't have the experience of ALL regulars being rude to me, an NSF.
And I highly doubt you have met all regulars. What I am very sure of is that some of the regular officers I know are more cultured, refined, socially attuned, educated and smarter than you.Are you sure the entire SAF deals with confidential stuff? haha.
And are you sure that all regulars' work issues are completely foreign to the run of the mill Singapore male, when Singapore is a nation of conscripts?!Logic and past academic papers done on the citizen-soldier dichotomy of Singapore actually put forth the opposite. That Singapore, as a conscript nation, actually has a close and blurred citizen-soldier relationship, because all male citizens are also soldiers, compared to nations whose armed force is fully regular and voluntary (eg United States). There was a paper on this issue written by one of my good friends when he came back to SAF from MIT, in which he examined the various aspects of the citizen-soldier dichotomy in Singapore and the ways in which the two are inextricable, and he submitted it in the annual CDF Essay competition and won the top prize. I think the essay could still be found in google haha.
And are you sure that ONLY regulars are unaffected by the recession hahaha...in effect are you referring to ALL public servants, including the aunty librarian working in Toa Payoh library near your house and the doctors in public hospitals? What bout your housewife mother and your retiree father? And I have a ton of friends in the private sector as well as self employed business people who are unaffected by the recession. You may as well say the prime minister is unaffected by the recession too and hence you can't socialise or chat with him. Hey wait a min, he's a regular too! LMAO.You need to come out of your well and experience the world.
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Originally posted by Lokey:
!!?? <- I dont understand what you talking.
That's the reason why you weren't one of those the system forces to go to command school regardless of desire.
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Originally posted by insidestory:
Hahah are you sure?! You're the only one who said this whereas the consensus of this thread is that it takes all kinds to make up regulars, just as it takes all kinds to make up civilians, hawkers, janitors, toilet cleaners, doctors, lawyers, pastors and salesmen.
I've met all kinds of regulars, in both the specialist and officer groups, and I don't have the experience of ALL regulars being rude to me, an NSF.
And I highly doubt you have met all regulars. What I am very sure of is that some of the regular officers I know are more cultured, refined, socially attuned, educated and smarter than you.Are you sure the entire SAF deals with confidential stuff? haha.
And are you sure that all regulars' work issues are completely foreign to the run of the mill Singapore male, when Singapore is a nation of conscripts?!Logic and past academic papers done on the citizen-soldier dichotomy of Singapore actually put forth the opposite. That Singapore, as a conscript nation, actually has a close and blurred citizen-soldier relationship, because all male citizens are also soldiers, compared to nations whose armed force is fully regular and voluntary (eg United States). There was a paper on this issue written by one of my good friends when he came back to SAF from MIT, in which he examined the various aspects of the citizen-soldier dichotomy in Singapore and the ways in which the two are inextricable, and he submitted it in the annual CDF Essay competition and won the top prize. I think the essay could still be found in google haha.
And are you sure that ONLY regulars are unaffected by the recession hahaha...in effect are you referring to ALL public servants, including the aunty librarian working in Toa Payoh library near your house and the doctors in public hospitals? What bout your housewife mother and your retiree father? And I have a ton of friends in the private sector as well as self employed business people who are unaffected by the recession. You may as well say the prime minister is unaffected by the recession too and hence you can't socialise or chat with him. Hey wait a min, he's a regular too! LMAO.You need to come out of your well and experience the world.
Yoh! "They" is referring to the people I have met. Does not apply all! And I am just saying that I cannot strike a topic of interest or common to begin with conversation TO THE PEOPLE WHO I HAVE MET.
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Originally posted by insidestory:
That's the reason why you weren't one of those the system forces to go to command school regardless of desire.
Cant be bothered, I never wan to complete my BMT at all. And I wan to stay as private.
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Originally posted by Lokey:
Yoh! "They" is referring to the people I have met. Does not apply all! And I am just saying that I cannot strike a topic of interest or common to begin with conversation TO THE PEOPLE WHO I HAVE MET.
ok now you changed your statement to say its just with the regulars you met.*whistle* I mean everyone of us here knows exactly what you were driving at. there's no need to suddenly change statement and beat a retreat. the fact is you said that
i) you cannot befriend any regular, both specialist and officer
ii) you put forth a number of illogical 'reasons' that are poorly conceived and totally unsubstantiated eg claiming that they are all anti social, throw rank even after ORD, disconnected outside SAF, unaffected by recession and hence you can't talk to them and other dumb nonsense that I debunked with less than 0.05% of my IQ
iii) when hellraiza pointed out that you have an EQ problem and this thread belongs in aunt agony for you to tell your sob story, you rebutted and claimed that it's all regulars who are anti-social, not you hence they're the problem and not you.
basically, there is nothing great about civilians like you. i've spoken to the like of you many times in unfortunate (for me) social settings. you think you're all that, and think you're better than groups of people that you're not superior to. it could be a remnant of bitter past in NS that you're still struggling with or just plain unhappiness with your life.
The fact is, majority (majority just means 50% and above) of the regular officer corp nowadays have a degree, a farmer degree yes, but a degree still. And they showed sufficient leadership qualities in their NS days to be selected for OCS (which you could not). Moving on, majority of the WOSE have O, A level or diploma, with many going for a degree later in life.I highly doubt you are much better or more educated than the farmer regular officers/WOSE, or came from a superior background or attended Yale or Princeton or Cambridge, which many Singaporeans do attend you know? I mean gimme a break. You probably don't even have a proper degree done in a proper full time university and you started a thread that shouts "I-am-better-than-an-entire-group-of-people" which includes the COA and CDF (LOL), and of this group, I bet by logical odds you haven't known 99.9999% personally?
When i look at the ordinary regulars, though I'm not impressed with most of them, (being impressed is not the same as just liking people as friends and as regular joes, which I do most of them),I think they are no less, and many times better than folks like you. I mean what do you have to offer to start a condescending thread like this to deride an entire group of people? Who do you think you are? A president's scholar? You're a perm sec? Nobel laureate? Maybe I should start a thread about ordinary joes who think they're better than others when they're not?
At the end of the day, they're just like you - coming from the same educational and family backgrounds, (I doubt you're born into old money), and the only difference is that they did well enough in their NS days for them to consider a military career. Unlike you, who could only be a LCP. And chances are most of them are physically fitter than you, on top of having the same qualifications if not better.
I mean, i hate to be so frank about it but I just got to put people like you in your place.
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Originally posted by Lokey:
Cant be bothered, I never wan to complete my BMT at all. And I wan to stay as private.
you mean you're one of those who had to recourse your BMT?! When our army friend told us about such people, we couldn't believe it. The lot of us laughed so hard and said how can that be when BMT is so freaking easy.
Look just cos you didn't make something happen, doesn't mean you could turn around and say you could have gotten in. Its like someone who's not a pilot saying that because he didn't bother to go for the selection test, he could have gotten in. The only thing you can say is that you didn't go. When one never strives/tries, sure he can say he's never failed but thats only because he's also never tried to succeed. maybe he can't care less about it, maybe he's afraid of failure, maybe he's just generally averse to effort, who cares?! it doesn't mean he can say he could have succeeded! You earn that license only when you have been given a place (whether or not you reject or take up the offer is another thing).
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Originally posted by insidestory:
you mean you're one of those who had to recourse your BMT?! When our army friend told us about such people, we couldn't believe it. The lot of us laughed so hard and said how can that be when BMT is so freaking easy.
Look just cos you didn't make something happen, doesn't mean you could turn around and say you could have gotten in. Its like someone who's not a pilot saying that because he didn't bother to go for the selection test, he could have gotten in. The only thing you can say is that you didn't go. When one never strives/tries, sure he can say he's never failed but thats only because he's also never tried to succeed. maybe he can't care less about it, maybe he's afraid of failure, maybe he's just generally averse to effort, who cares?! it doesn't mean he can say he could have succeeded! You earn that license only when you have been given a place (whether or not you reject or take up the offer is another thing).
we are out of sync. but nvm.
It has been almost 7 years since I ORD. BMT is just a childhood memory, why do I bother much?
My guess is SAF regular are military soldiers. Since they are soldiers (especially the specs) they behave like one. Hence, varies siginficantly from professionals and executives.
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Originally posted by insidestory:
ok now you changed your statement to say its just with the regulars you met.*whistle* I mean everyone of us here knows exactly what you were driving at. there's no need to suddenly change statement and beat a retreat. the fact is you said that
i) you cannot befriend any regular, both specialist and officer
ii) you put forth a number of illogical 'reasons' that are poorly conceived and totally unsubstantiated eg claiming that they are all anti social, throw rank even after ORD, disconnected outside SAF, unaffected by recession and hence you can't talk to them and other dumb nonsense that I debunked with less than 0.05% of my IQ
iii) when hellraiza pointed out that you have an EQ problem and this thread belongs in aunt agony for you to tell your sob story, you rebutted and claimed that it's all regulars who are anti-social, not you hence they're the problem and not you.
basically, there is nothing great about civilians like you. i've spoken to the like of you many times in unfortunate (for me) social settings. you think you're all that, and think you're better than groups of people that you're not superior to. it could be a remnant of bitter past in NS that you're still struggling with or just plain unhappiness with your life.
The fact is, majority (majority just means 50% and above) of the regular officer corp nowadays have a degree, a farmer degree yes, but a degree still. And they showed sufficient leadership qualities in their NS days to be selected for OCS (which you could not). Moving on, majority of the WOSE have O, A level or diploma, with many going for a degree later in life.I highly doubt you are much better or more educated than the farmer regular officers/WOSE, or came from a superior background or attended Yale or Princeton or Cambridge, which many Singaporeans do attend you know? I mean gimme a break. You probably don't even have a proper degree done in a proper full time university and you started a thread that shouts "I-am-better-than-an-entire-group-of-people" which includes the COA and CDF (LOL), and of this group, I bet by logical odds you haven't known 99.9999% personally?
When i look at the ordinary regulars, though I'm not impressed with most of them, (being impressed is not the same as just liking people as friends and as regular joes, which I do most of them),I think they are no less, and many times better than folks like you. I mean what do you have to offer to start a condescending thread like this to deride an entire group of people? Who do you think you are? A president's scholar? You're a perm sec? Nobel laureate? Maybe I should start a thread about ordinary joes who think they're better than others when they're not?
At the end of the day, they're just like you - coming from the same educational and family backgrounds, (I doubt you're born into old money), and the only difference is that they did well enough in their NS days for them to consider a military career. Unlike you, who could only be a LCP. And chances are most of them are physically fitter than you, on top of having the same qualifications if not better.
I mean, i hate to be so frank about it but I just got to put people like you in your place.
I think it is more like they feel inferior and does not want to talk to me.
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30% of my friends are regulars...were friends with them before they signed on...i guess it doesnt matter..in fact, i hope to meet them during reservist should we meet...
but thats not worrying la..wats worrying is that, you make new guy friends in a gym?
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bravo bravo Insidestory! Now if you could only repeat that excellent performance over at HWZ's NS forum. There's a huge circle jerk going on there, full of people with inferiority complexes so huge, they need to bash career soldiers on a weekly basis to feel good about themselves.
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Originally posted by Hellraiza:
bravo bravo Insidestory! Now if you could only repeat that excellent performance over at HWZ’s NS forum. There’s a huge circle jerk going on there, full of people with inferiority complexes so huge, they need to bash career soldiers on a weekly basis to feel good about themselves.
lol. soldiers career is not a bad career ok. I dont have bias against being a regular. -
Originally posted by Lokey:
Yoh! "They" is referring to the people I have met. Does not apply all! And I am just saying that I cannot strike a topic of interest or common to begin with conversation TO THE PEOPLE WHO I HAVE MET.
WTF?! You start off this thread asking if anyone has any similar experiences to yours, but now you want them to talk about YOUR conversations with people YOU HAVE MET?
Are you nucking futs?!
And by the way, why are you still trying to pick up guys at the gym? Freak!
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
WTF?! You start off this thread asking if anyone has any similar experiences to yours, but now you want them to talk about YOUR conversations with people YOU HAVE MET?
Are you nucking futs?!
And by the way, why are you still trying to pick up guys at the gym? Freak!
pls elaborate on your first line.
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I am always trying to expand my social network as always.
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insidestory is 100% right - you've changed your story. When you ask:
Originally posted by Lokey:Any1 have this similarities?
are you asking people for their experiences, or are you asking them to talk ONLY about PEOPLE you have met? If, as the statement by all intents and purposes, means that you are asking people to talk about their experiences, then it simply makes no sense to do an about face and talk only about your experience. You're simply not making any sense - but then again, if you're in your little topsy-turvy world as susal, that wouldn't even have occurred to you.
Next, you want to expand your social network, but you're wieghed down with enough prejudices to sink a carrier. I ask again, are you nucking futs?!
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this thread topic has change over time. Of course when you are referring to the very first post is does not make sense. And the topic has also expired. anyway it does not matter. thanks for replying.
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QAnd again insidestory is correct - you're tucking your tail between your legs and slinking off. It's for the best - there really is no saving yourself here.
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I don't understand how you can unabashedly now claim you did not have an issue against regulars hahahahaa oh my god my dick is laughing so hard.
You started the thread saying that you were at a gym, and you actually decided to end your contact and cease your interest in the acquaintance of someone after he said he was an RSAF spec. I mean, what, does he have the plague? And then you later added in different post that there was this friend of yours who became a regular officer and when he nicely asked you to join him for runs, you would be turned off and won't run with him! The nerve of you. Let me quote you "one of a known friend who is a regular officer, ask me if I am interested to run with him. Although, I replied I am occupied with other things, in actual fact I dont like to run with him. I can run with all my other friends but NOT a regular officer."
I mean seriously, the nerve you have. I feel sorry for your friend. he's just an everyday joe, who didn't do any harm to you and probably invited you to run with him in all earnesty and sincerity (or maybe cos he felt sorry for you cos you're such a retard) and you secretly harboured such vile contempt (totally unjustified) for that nice dude.
Do you think you're some big shot? Based on odds and also from my analysis of your posts and what you have presented of yourself and in what manner, i'm very sure that you're a nobody who has achieved less than half of the typical regular. Not to mention how you're a total nobody compared to actual 'somebodies' I know who are regulars like SAFOS. So I found your nerve shocking as much it was amusing (in a shameless way). And now you're changing your statements like a coward.. ridiculous.
Like I mentioned earlier, you are no different, if not worse than the typical farmer regular, based on how I've profiled the typical regular, except that you performed much worse in NS (was an LCP), have less to none leadership qualities, generally have been a deadbeat all your life and chances are, are less fit than them!!!!
Hellraiza, please go ahead and tell those idiots in HWZ what I've said. You can even paste what I said and say that it's from me. What a bunch of fuckwits with zero sense of self awareness and self measurement.
To weird freak who befriends men in gym: if you were in the right circle u'd know that there are A LOT of guys who said no to OCS and were assigned to go. Let me tell you, when SAF sees leadership, she recognises it immediately.
One of my ex classmates declared no to command school of any kind in BMT, because he thought he wanted to be a scientist, so he never considered a military career so just wanted to be an LCP like this deluded twit here. But even in BMT, they could tell he was cut out for leadership. When he disagreed with an order, he'd tell the SGT why and of course, they ignored him. They made him go to OCS where he later discovered his passion in leadership and soldiering. Guess what he eventually became the SAFOS and president's scholar of our year.
So please lah. When someone has it, he has it, even without trying. When dun have, die trying also cannot! So no need to say what you dun want thats why you can even recourse BMT. When a normal person hears of BMT recourse, all they can react is to gasp in horror cos BMT is so easy can? Having this kind of attitude towards your NS liability speaks more of your sense of responsibility and self-worth than anyone else's anyway. Dun be too quick to wear it like a badge of honour. The one being laughed at behind others' backs is you. -
Originally posted by Lokey:
It is kind of strange... After so many years I ORD, I realise I dont really like to mix with SAF regular in civilian life. For example,
yesterday I met a new guy in the gym, who is an airforce specialist. When he announced that he was a SAF regular, I was immediately turn off (I just dont like regular). I felt that they were another form of species or a different type of people. They were just different and I refused to click with them.
Any1 have this similarities?
wtf. just a job.
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I believe this is enough. If you all want to continue the arguement, do it in pm.