ORD: Rank = Recruit / Private as Reservist NSman ?
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A new directive has been passed down since dec 2007. Those who did not finish/attend bmt will not get promoted. As a result, we will be seeing more and more recruit nsman. i saw a few ppl ord as recruit recently. can see tat dere will be more rec nsmen in tuture.. wat's ur view on this? If u are an employer, how would you react if u realise tat potential job seeker is a rec? will u trust his working capability or like wat many ppl say, rank doesnt matter and u wont give a damn about it?
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Those who are able to keng the max and be a rec even after ORD is the smartest
From my experiences, those who are recruit or private, are usually the big bosses outside. When I ask them, why?/what happen? Their replies are, WHAT SAF HAVE GIVEN you to make you work so hard for them? Why should you listen to some1 who is just one year older and have a bar on his shoulder? The diver/commando chong so hard at the end, only ended up with injuries that companied them for life.
Think about this, people who have not passed out from BMT, are not vocational-trained, in another words, they normally ended up as clerk or storemen = non-combat vocation. They book out everyday, no guards duties, the free time that they have after office hours can be used for enjoyment, doing part-time....Even after they ORD, they are "useless" in the SAF, therefore their reservists are also not so siong.
If you are able think or long term and have foresight you know that how you act will today will affect the future.
Besides, employer dont look at military rank when they employed people. So what if he is a officer in the army, it does not implies he have good EQ to lead people in the outside world. Besides, for people who have completed Bachelor, Master, Phd, NS is an jail term that they have done 5 to 10 years ago.
haha....
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Originally posted by Lokey:
Those who are able to keng the max and be a rec even after ORD is the smartest
From my experiences, those who are recruit or private, are usually the big bosses outside. When I ask them, why?/what happen? Their replies are, WHAT SAF HAVE GIVEN you to make you work so hard for them? Why should you listen to some1 who is just one year older and have a bar on his shoulder? The diver/commando chong so hard at the end, only ended up with injuries that companied them for life.
Think about this, people who have not passed out from BMT, are not vocational-trained, in another words, they normally ended up as clerk or storemen = non-combat vocation. They book out everyday, no guards duties, the free time that they have after office hours can be used for enjoyment, doing part-time....Even after they ORD, they are "useless" in the SAF, therefore their reservists are also not so siong.
If you are able think or long term and have foresight you know that how you act will today will affect the future.
Besides, employer dont look at military rank when they employed people. So what if he is a officer in the army, it does not implies he have good EQ to lead people in the outside world. Besides, for people who have completed Bachelor, Master, Phd, NS is an jail term that they have done 5 to 10 years ago.
haha....
Someone who was an officer in NS, "does not implies he have good EQ to lead people" blah blah..bad english duly quoted. So does it mean that someone who is proven to be of zero leadership calibre in NS, always has leadership qualities outside of NS? Clearly not.For every one example of an NS officer who do not have good leadership qualities after ORD, I can pull out 10,000 examples of the same among the non officers. In fact, among the pool of officers, there is a far higher % who are holding leadership positions in the civilian world compared to the % among non commanders.
In other words you can talk out of your ass until the world ends, but the fact remains that you cannot prove that being either poorly educated or a non-officer in NS makes you any more qualified as a civilian leader, even if it's not always 100% that all NS officers turn out to be good civilian leaders. As I write on, I doubt you have the necessary intelligence needed to understand, which is just sad, however at least I can benefit the others. There's also a big diff between absolute numbers and %, and the concept of statistical outliers, all of which I don't think you can understand.
Your attitude is so bad, the things you said so atrociously self-congratulatory (for nothing, no achievement whatsoever) and self-justified, that you don't even have the basic good attitude needed to be a productive workhorse/worker bee in society, let alone the higher calibre needed for leadership positions.
You're so so so far off the basic criteria needed for decency in my world,..and you're the kind of losers who rile and badmouth elites in jealousy? When i put you beside any of them that I know, you can't even compare to their shit honestly. For people who know both sides, its just simply amazing to the mind.
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Originally posted by hoto:
A new directive has been passed down since dec 2007. Those who did not finish/attend bmt will not get promoted. As a result, we will be seeing more and more recruit nsman. i saw a few ppl ord as recruit recently. can see tat dere will be more rec nsmen in tuture.. wat's ur view on this? If u are an employer, how would you react if u realise tat potential job seeker is a rec? will u trust his working capability or like wat many ppl say, rank doesnt matter and u wont give a damn about it?
As for TS's query, just use your brains. No need to solicit for opinion in an open forum where the chance of getting a rubbish reply like the first one you got is high. Lots of losers justifying themselves on the internet, or using the net to soothe their broken egos. If there is no currency in officership in NS, no one would be putting it in their CVs. Do people put it? Yes. Period.
When I see a CV from someone who ORD as a REC, my 1st instinct is that he's a lazy fucker with bad attitude. Period. When I field such applications in future, I will definitely throw the CVs into the dustbin. If he ORD as a REC and went to local uni, I will put it in the shredder.
My brother looks through applications almost every month for the family business, and he says those with highly suspicious bits in their CVs which jump out, like if the guy ORD as a REC, or his "diploma" was finished in 6 months or his "degree" is one-yr only but calls himself an "overseas grad" but actually studied in a private school in Beach Rd, these will be chucked into the trash immediately, given that these days there are so many applications for a single position, its necessary to eradicate the first 90% for any manner of reason so that you can shortlist the ones you call up for interview.
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While it may be true that being an officer in NS may prove that that person has a certain level of mental fortitude and leadership that may help one succeed in the working world, it does not show that ORDing as a recruit necessarily shows that you are a "a lazy fucker with bad attitude".
If all employers look at applicants the way insidestory and gang does, it is no surprise that foreign talent are getting employed over locals.
After all, people who "ORD as a REC and went to local uni" only deserve to have their application "put it in the shredder."
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well if you orded as a recruit less medical reasons but rather out of ur own unwillingness to serve or keng then i think you dont deserve to justfiy your place as a singaporean man, where every men is supposed to play his part and do his bit for the country that we live in..
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Originally posted by hoto:
A new directive has been passed down since dec 2007. Those who did not finish/attend bmt will not get promoted. As a result, we will be seeing more and more recruit nsman. i saw a few ppl ord as recruit recently. can see tat dere will be more rec nsmen in tuture.. wat's ur view on this? If u are an employer, how would you react if u realise tat potential job seeker is a rec? will u trust his working capability or like wat many ppl say, rank doesnt matter and u wont give a damn about it?
Getting promotion or never get any promotion during full-time NS is not something important but if a serviceman never get promoted during NS n remain as a Private, it certainly said something of the character. If someone finished service as a Liutenant, it is an accomplishment n for entry into local MBA programme, one of the criteria is getting rank of LTA during NS. There is a downside to it as Spec n Officer got to serve longer reservist period. -
Sorry to highjack TS' thread but what if we ORD as REC without completing BMT, keep OOC, will we need to go for BMT during reservice and cut botak, everything associated with BMT? Is there such a ruling?
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Originally posted by shitakemush:
Sorry to highjack TS' thread but what if we ORD as REC without completing BMT, keep OOC, will we need to go for BMT during reservice and cut botak, everything associated with BMT? Is there such a ruling?
It is rare. SAF encourage every one to go through BMT. So they send people down for the course. If you are injured, you will undergo modified BMT.
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Originally posted by Lokey:
Those who are able to keng the max and be a rec even after ORD is the smartest
From my experiences, those who are recruit or private, are usually the big bosses outside. When I ask them, why?/what happen? Their replies are, WHAT SAF HAVE GIVEN you to make you work so hard for them? Why should you listen to some1 who is just one year older and have a bar on his shoulder? The diver/commando chong so hard at the end, only ended up with injuries that companied them for life.
Think about this, people who have not passed out from BMT, are not vocational-trained, in another words, they normally ended up as clerk or storemen = non-combat vocation. They book out everyday, no guards duties, the free time that they have after office hours can be used for enjoyment, doing part-time....Even after they ORD, they are "useless" in the SAF, therefore their reservists are also not so siong.
If you are able think or long term and have foresight you know that how you act will today will affect the future.
Besides, employer dont look at military rank when they employed people. So what if he is a officer in the army, it does not implies he have good EQ to lead people in the outside world. Besides, for people who have completed Bachelor, Master, Phd, NS is an jail term that they have done 5 to 10 years ago.
haha....
so what rank were you, and what have you done with your life ?
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Originally posted by Fatum:
so what rank were you, and what have you done with your li
out of topic.
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Originally posted by Lokey:
out of topic.
rubbish ... it's totally relevant .... let's see what you've written again.
Originally posted by Lokey:Those who are able to keng the max and be a rec even after ORD is the smartest
From my experiences, those who are recruit or private, are usually the big bosses outside. When I ask them, why?/what happen? Their replies are, WHAT SAF HAVE GIVEN you to make you work so hard for them? Why should you listen to some1 who is just one year older and have a bar on his shoulder? The diver/commando chong so hard at the end, only ended up with injuries that companied them for life.
Think about this, people who have not passed out from BMT, are not vocational-trained, in another words, they normally ended up as clerk or storemen = non-combat vocation. They book out everyday, no guards duties, the free time that they have after office hours can be used for enjoyment, doing part-time....Even after they ORD, they are "useless" in the SAF, therefore their reservists are also not so siong.
If you are able think or long term and have foresight you know that how you act will today will affect the future.
Besides, employer dont look at military rank when they employed people. So what if he is a officer in the army, it does not implies he have good EQ to lead people in the outside world. Besides, for people who have completed Bachelor, Master, Phd, NS is an jail term that they have done 5 to 10 years ago.
haha....
You claim that it's the recruits and privates who chao keng to the max that'll make it big outside ......
ok, then let's see if you can justify that claim with your own life ?
let's see if you are, in your own words "smartest" and "able to think long term and have foresight".
again, so what rank were you when you ORD ? Did you chao keng ? And what have you done with your own life since then ?
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Even if a person ORD as a rec, he still did his part for NS.
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Originally posted by Lokey:
out of topic.
u should be out of here.
better
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Originally posted by hiphop2009:
Even if a person ORD as a rec, he still did his part for NS.
YES i agree-ed!
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Originally posted by Lokey:
out of topic.
really?
so did u ORD as rec?
if you didn't, you must be fucking dumb from what you wrote.
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Originally posted by Fatum:
rubbish ... it's totally relevant .... let's see what you've written again.
You claim that it's the recruits and privates who chao keng to the max that'll make it big outside ......
ok, then let's see if you can justify that claim with your own life ?
let's see if you are, in your own words "smartest" and "able to think long term and have foresight".
again, so what rank were you when you ORD ? Did you chao keng ? And what have you done with your own life since then ?
I say it is irrelevant because I am a CPL, Pes C9L2 fellow, so I dont need to chao keng? I am already happy with 8 to 5 vocation, at the HQ. I dont think, I need to ask for more?I can make such a claim because I know several personnels under my charge who are like this. Rec/Private and yet they are having big business outside.
1. A private bus company owner
2. Some leather company owner
3. A computer engineer
4. A restaurant owner
5. Violinist!!??
and more...
Rec/Private are the extremist they are rare breed now. But usually they are injured and yet not downgraded permanently.
When a personnel is trained, he will be given a vocational rank which is at less a LCP.
But the Rec/Private case, can only happen when he is injured during BMT, get a temp status, but upgrades later on, but still OOC. In that case, at the end still he does not have a vocation, working as a TSS.
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Originally posted by will4:
Getting promotion or never get any promotion during full-time NS is not something important but if a serviceman never get promoted during NS n remain as a Private, it certainly said something of the character. If someone finished service as a Liutenant, it is an accomplishment n for entry into local MBA programme, one of the criteria is getting rank of LTA during NS. There is a downside to it as Spec n Officer got to serve longer reservist period.Local MBA program requires one to be an officer during NS?
Which local universirty has this requirement?
Women cannot apply because they don't serve NS?
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Oh boy, here we go again.
Lokey's got a known streak for aggrandising things. In the past, he's pretended to be a psychiatrist, counsellor, researcher (the subject of the research is still a mystery), and a special ops expert (based upon his vast experience as a water boy at NDU).
Let's put things into perspective and translate what his unranked buddies really are:
1. A private bus company owner - some guy who bought one fifth-hand school bus
2. Some leather company owner - owns a stall at Beach Road Market
3. A computer engineer - Storefront guy at Funan
4. A restaurant owner - Hawker
5. Violinist!!?? - Guy who has a violin
By the way, since when was playing a violin big business? There's clutching at straws, and then there's laughably pathetic.
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Originally posted by Lokey:Besides, for people who have completed Bachelor, Master, Phd, NS is an jail term that they have done 5 to 10 years ago.
haha....
Really? I've got a doctorate and my NS years were a blast.
Once again, you speak out of the wrong end of your digestive tract. When will you ever learn to stop humiliating yourself by blurting out this nonsense in public?
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Originally posted by hoto:
If u are an employer, how would you react if u realise tat potential job seeker is a rec? will u trust his working capability or like wat many ppl say, rank doesnt matter and u wont give a damn about it?
I've never had such a pitiful applicant cross my path before, but if I had I wouldn't even waste my time pointing him towards the door. Let's face it - how difficult is it to pass BMT? If a guy doesn't have the capability to do something so basic, he's useless to me. If he does have the capability and has simply not done it because he's too childish to deal with something he doesn't like for a mere three months, he's worse than useless.
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Personally, I feel that it is damn difficult to fail BMT. If someone cannot pass BMT unless due permanent downgrade after 2 years, something is very wrong...
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Originally posted by Lokey:
I say it is irrelevant because I am a CPL, Pes C9L2 fellow, so I dont need to chao keng? I am already happy with 8 to 5 vocation, at the HQ. I dont think, I need to ask for more?I can make such a claim because I know several personnels under my charge who are like this. Rec/Private and yet they are having big business outside.
1. A private bus company owner
2. Some leather company owner
3. A computer engineer
4. A restaurant owner
5. Violinist!!??
and more...
Rec/Private are the extremist they are rare breed now. But usually they are injured and yet not downgraded permanently.
When a personnel is trained, he will be given a vocational rank which is at less a LCP.
But the Rec/Private case, can only happen when he is injured during BMT, get a temp status, but upgrades later on, but still OOC. In that case, at the end still he does not have a vocation, working as a TSS.
how does a computer engineer or a violinist translate to big bosses ?
But nevermind, that aside, you claimed that these people keng'ed and therefore, they are successful, that they are "smartest" (sic)
fine .... my question is still ... especially now that you've reveiled yourself to be a C9L2 corporal, did you follow their example and made something out of your life ? After all, you claimed that they keng'ed and got slack vocations and 8-5 jobs during NS with a lot of time for themselves and therefore, they were successful.
Hey ! you had exactly all that too ! Slack 8-5 vocation at HQ and all ...... all that without having to keng !
Were you then, smart enough to follow their example and make something out of you own life ? Or is kenging a neccessary ingredient, and you were too stupid to do that ?
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Originally posted by Lokey:
Those who are able to keng the max and be a rec even after ORD is the smartest
From my experiences, those who are recruit or private, are usually the big bosses outside. When I ask them, why?/what happen? Their replies are, WHAT SAF HAVE GIVEN you to make you work so hard for them? Why should you listen to some1 who is just one year older and have a bar on his shoulder? The diver/commando chong so hard at the end, only ended up with injuries that companied them for life.
Think about this, people who have not passed out from BMT, are not vocational-trained, in another words, they normally ended up as clerk or storemen = non-combat vocation. They book out everyday, no guards duties, the free time that they have after office hours can be used for enjoyment, doing part-time....Even after they ORD, they are "useless" in the SAF, therefore their reservists are also not so siong.
If you are able think or long term and have foresight you know that how you act will today will affect the future.
Besides, employer dont look at military rank when they employed people. So what if he is a officer in the army, it does not implies he have good EQ to lead people in the outside world. Besides, for people who have completed Bachelor, Master, Phd, NS is an jail term that they have done 5 to 10 years ago.
haha....
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Originally posted by Fatum:
how does a computer engineer or a violinist translate to big bosses ?
But nevermind, that aside, you claimed that these people keng'ed and therefore, they are successful, that they are "smartest" (sic)
fine .... my question is still ... especially now that you've reveiled yourself to be a C9L2 corporal, did you follow their example and made something out of your life ? After all, you claimed that they keng'ed and got slack vocations and 8-5 jobs during NS with a lot of time for themselves and therefore, they were successful.
Hey ! you had exactly all that too ! Slack 8-5 vocation at HQ and all ...... all that without having to keng !
Were you then, smart enough to follow their example and make something out of you own life ? Or is kenging a neccessary ingredient, and you were too stupid to do that ?
I wouldn't waste the effort, Fatum. This dipshit lives in a whacked-out fantasy land where good shit happens simply by his wishing it. He's his own fairy godmother.