ORD: Rank = Recruit / Private as Reservist NSman ?
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well, after reading all these posts, i got a point to make. I am not sure whether the people here are against lokey personally (you all seems to have something against him from the posts you all made),or you all are simply looking down on those guys with no rank. I had always thought that rank only matters in the force. It is very important to regulars but not as much to the NSFs since everybody serves for 2yrs and will F off. Don't tell me because you were an officer/ spec during NS and your boss (in civilian world of course!) were not, you can use your rank on him and said things like, I am LTA(NS) or 3SG(NS), you (the boss) are a LCP(NS) and so I shouldnt be listening to you etc.. Doesn't make sense right?
anyway,don't ever think that people with no rank won't make it far in life. Just to share with you all, due to my job requirements, i have to interact with NSmen. There have been instances whereby the OC or PC of a company or platoon turns out to be the subordinates of people of lower ranks like drivers or medics. Lol. You will be surprised at the civilian pay some of these service support personnels draw as compared to combat officers/specs. From my interactions with these guys, they take a special view towards NS which (I think) may be indirectly contributing to their success (measured in terms of earning power) in future life. These people are the ultimate kengster and they actually got what they wanted by 'thinking out of the box' and coming up with ways to fight the system so as to achieve what they wanted. When it comes to working in civilian world, these people adopted a pretty similar strategy and some of them actually became very successful because of this. Wheras for officers/specs, from my interactions with some of them, the reason they gave me for wanting to become spec/officer is because of honour,glory,wanting to do themselves and family proud, wanting to build up their leadership quality etc. This is pretty similar to what I have always heard when I was a recruit in tekong. Seems like these people have been totally brainwashed. By chance, sometimes I would discuss politics with them and they would be the same ppl who will praise our almighty govt and say how lucky and fortunate we were for being able to reside here etc. They got all these ideas from their many years of formal education, mainstream media and of course, the notorious social studies subject. Lol.
For ppl who can be so easily swayed and manipulated, I wonder how can they become a leader in the first place. Maybe because SAF is a military organisation and due to operational requirements, everybody must be a yes-man and follow instructions passed down from higher levels, that's why traits like 'thinking out of the box' and 'being different' is always frowned upon. Wheras those who can take and execute instructions swiftly and accurately are deemed to have leadership quality (in military sense) and that's why they are selected for command school. But is this the type of 'leadership quality' that will allows one to be successful in life? I personally feel that one can thrives with this quality if he was working in a large company as a lower/middle management personnel, but not so for the top job, that's why these tops jobs are taken up by the people whom they have despised during NS time - those who dares to be different and has the ability to think out of box.
I guess it's because of this reason that's y anomaly is sometimes observed in the pays of NSmen. ie, lower ranking personnel earning higher pay when they are supposedly lacking in leadership material..
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Originally posted by Francis Yap:
well, after reading all these posts, i got a point to make. I am not sure whether the people here are against lokey personally (you all seems to have something against him from the posts you all made),or you all are simply looking down on those guys with no rank. I had always thought that rank only matters in the force. It is very important to regulars but not as much to the NSFs since everybody serves for 2yrs and will F off. Don't tell me because you were an officer/ spec during NS and your boss (in civilian world of course!) were not, you can use your rank on him and said things like, I am LTA(NS) or 3SG(NS), you (the boss) are a LCP(NS) and so I shouldnt be listening to you etc.. Doesn't make sense right?
anyway,don't ever think that people with no rank won't make it far in life. Just to share with you all, due to my job requirements, i have to interact with NSmen. There have been instances whereby the OC or PC of a company or platoon turns out to be the subordinates of people of lower ranks like drivers or medics. Lol. You will be surprised at the civilian pay some of these service support personnels draw as compared to combat officers/specs. From my interactions with these guys, they take a special view towards NS which (I think) may be indirectly contributing to their success (measured in terms of earning power) in future life. These people are the ultimate kengster and they actually got what they wanted by 'thinking out of the box' and coming up with ways to fight the system so as to achieve what they wanted. When it comes to working in civilian world, these people adopted a pretty similar strategy and some of them actually became very successful because of this. Wheras for officers/specs, from my interactions with some of them, the reason they gave me for wanting to become spec/officer is because of honour,glory,wanting to do themselves and family proud, wanting to build up their leadership quality etc. This is pretty similar to what I have always heard when I was a recruit in tekong. Seems like these people have been totally brainwashed. By chance, sometimes I would discuss politics with them and they would be the same ppl who will praise our almighty govt and say how lucky and fortunate we were for being able to reside here etc. They got all these ideas from their many years of formal education, mainstream media and of course, the notorious social studies subject. Lol.
For ppl who can be so easily swayed and manipulated, I wonder how can they become a leader in the first place. Maybe because SAF is a military organisation and due to operational requirements, everybody must be a yes-man and follow instructions passed down from higher levels, that's why traits like 'thinking out of the box' and 'being different' is always frowned upon. Wheras those who can take and execute instructions swiftly and accurately are deemed to have leadership quality (in military sense) and that's why they are selected for command school. But is this the type of 'leadership quality' that will allows one to be successful in life? I personally feel that one can thrives with this quality if he was working in a large company as a lower/middle management personnel, but not so for the top job, that's why these tops jobs are taken up by the people whom they have despised during NS time - those who dares to be different and has the ability to think out of box.
I guess it's because of this reason that's y anomaly is sometimes observed in the pays of NSmen. ie, lower ranking personnel earning higher pay when they are supposedly lacking in leadership material..
well, you got it right and wrong.
You're right, it's really about lokey the chap ...and you're wrong, it's really not about rank at all. There are plenty of good men who didn't get a lot of pangkat due to injuries or some other factors beyond their own doing.
It's really about kenging.
Whatever one thinks about NS, this is something that every male has to go through, that means that even if you hate it, that doesn't mean the other fellows in your unit like it any more than you do.
In the civvy world if you're a lazy slacker the boss can simply fire you and hire someone more hardworking. In NS he can only send you to DB but he'll still be one man short. He's got to work with what he's got and cannot hire extra help at whim. Thus it means that if you keng and skiv out of your duties, he'd have to push your stuff onto someone else's plate. All of your colleagues and maybe even your superiors would have to cover your responsibilities and duties for you. That makes you a farktard and a target of hate in the eyes of your colleagues, regardless of what they themselves feel about NS.
Why should they have to do your shit for you, especially when they are unwilling and involuntary participants in this whole scheme too ? That's why blanket parties happen, and that's why kengsters don't have a lot of fans in the army.
And since from your post it appears you advocate kenging in NS, just like lokey here ..... perhaps you'd like to answer the same questions that's been posed to lokey too .... Did you yourself chao keng ? What rank were you ? And what have you made out of your own life since ? ..........
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well. rest assured that i din keng at all. i orded very recently and my superiors were very happy with my work performance. I got outstanding for both my conduct and performance and was given a good testimonial. I agreed completely with u that ppl who kenged are a pain in the ass. I have personally kanna shit from them as a result of their irresponsible and selfish behaviour. they are surely disliked by everybody,
if u read carefully in my post, i had never stated that i supported ppl who kenged. in addition, one must realise tat kenging may or may not affect ur colleagues and superiors at all. for eg, if in a lull period where one really does nothing and just talk cock and sing song everyday, i don't see how others will be affected should one guy decided to take mc and settles some personal stuffs. however, if the welfare of rest of his colleagues will be affected through his action, then doing so will be highly irresponsible and definitely l'll not do that. Tat's y i always make use of this 'peer pressure' on my guys in the hope that they will behave. But there will always be shamless one who does not give a damn to the rest of his peers. I will use a different approach on this type of guy then.
Going back to Fatum's original point,you were basically talking abt how kenging would affect other ppl like ur superiors and peers, on this part i agree with you. However, in the case which i mentioned previously (abt drivers/ clerks and non combat medics 'kenging' and being very successful in civilian life), their kenging is not the type which we typically encounters like doing shit left behind by other lazy bastards. They keng so as to get into slacker vocation. How does this affect other people? Or is Fatum trying to tell me by doing that, the driver/clerks/medics is depriving SAF of a precious combat soldier and thus, CPC will have a headache when it it comes to the allocation of manpower? Anyway,just to let u know in case u are unaware,there has been quite a number of cases where PES AB guys being posted to as medics/drivers/storemen etc. Dun think there's rly a lack of combat soldiers such tat 1 guy kenging into service support vocation is gonna create troule for CPC..and just to add on, you must not simply assume that ppl who keng into slacker vocation= they will keng in their job! As if those who din manage to keng out of their vocations they disliked will be on in their job. Lol. Hope u can see the link. The guys (lower rank NSmen driver,medics,clerks) whom made it good in life also possess considerable EQ. They may dislike their job but they wont sabo their frens for extra work.In conclusion,superiors usually think highly of them cos they dun create trouble as they usually understand the importance of mutual respect and mutually beneficial relationship. In essence,they does the bare minimum (wayang) and yet superiors think highly of them. They do keng but they only do it to benefit themselves and not to bring abt inconvenience to others (superiors and peers). These are the ppl who are well liked by ppl, live good life and more rest days. These are the really 'smart' ppl whom I said that will eventually gets the top position. Hope u can see my point!
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All nice and good, Francis, but you've been talking about the wrong kind of person.
Taking it all the way back to the original post in this thread, the topic of discussion is someone who had ORDd with a rank of recruit, owing to the fact that he has not completed BMT.
The original question in this post is: from an employer's perspective, do you think that such a record reflects the person's "working capability" (sic). I'm working upon the understanding here that capability encompasses both attitude and skills.
On this point I reiterate:
1) If someone genuinely can't complete something as easy as BMT there's little chance of him performing well at more complex jobs
2) If someone decided to go through two years as a recruit becaue he couldn't be bothered completing something as easy as BMT, he's worse than useless - he's a liabilityAnything beyond the above is simply tangential.
Now, as for Lokey. Yeah, it's a "the idiot's opened his big mouth once again so we'll pillory him once again session". You're obviously new to these parts, but you'll soon find out that Lokey's a self-aggrandising loser with delusions of adequacy, and he makes up plenty of absurd stories to justify his shortcomings.
Vis-a-vis a shortage of combat soldiers, the Commandos now take in recruits with glasses, while back in the old days that was an absolute no-go. What does that tell you about the manpower situation?
"Out of the box" thinking is generally and falsely taken to be a good thing. It can have some advantages, but if you as an employer don't keep it from running rampant, it could cause you some serious headaches from your subordinates.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
All nice and good, Francis, but you've been talking about the wrong kind of person.
Taking it all the way back to the original post in this thread, the topic of discussion is someone who had ORDd with a rank of recruit, owing to the fact that he has not completed BMT.
The original question in this post is: from an employer's perspective, do you think that such a record reflects the person's "working capability" (sic). I'm working upon the understanding here that capability encompasses both attitude and skills.
On this point I reiterate:
1) If someone genuinely can't complete something as easy as BMT there's little chance of him performing well at more complex jobs
2) If someone decided to go through two years as a recruit becaue he couldn't be bothered completing something as easy as BMT, he's worse than useless - he's a liabilityAnything beyond the above is simply tangential.
Now, as for Lokey. Yeah, it's a "the idiot's opened his big mouth once again so we'll pillory him once again session". You're obviously new to these parts, but you'll soon find out that Lokey's a self-aggrandising loser with delusions of adequacy, and he makes up plenty of absurd stories to justify his shortcomings.
Vis-a-vis a shortage of combat soldiers, the Commandos now take in recruits with glasses, while back in the old days that was an absolute no-go. What does that tell you about the manpower situation?
"Out of the box" thinking is generally and falsely taken to be a good thing. It can have some advantages, but if you as an employer don't keep it from running rampant, it could cause you some serious headaches from your subordinates.
Yah. yah. Doing a personal insults against me, without knowing anything at all. Assuming that you are all the best, Gandanken. Good job!
All I know, is that, my lab tech under me is an officer, S2? in the SAF, a poly grad, struggling his way to complete his part-time degree now. I am letting him to do some study during office hours, since I dont have much work for him also.
I and my supervisor are CPL from the same NS unit.
So from my experiences relating to TS post,
I don't look at the SAF ranking and vocation when I pick my men, because it will be bias against the ladies. It is difficult to conclude anything as what they do in their NS life is perhaps 5 years ago, which is not too relevant to current times. My main concern will be how often and long will he on reservist training, and who is going to cover his responsibilities when he is away.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
All nice and good, Francis, but you've been talking about the wrong kind of person.
Taking it all the way back to the original post in this thread, the topic of discussion is someone who had ORDd with a rank of recruit, owing to the fact that he has not completed BMT.
The original question in this post is: from an employer's perspective, do you think that such a record reflects the person's "working capability" (sic). I'm working upon the understanding here that capability encompasses both attitude and skills.
On this point I reiterate:
1) If someone genuinely can't complete something as easy as BMT there's little chance of him performing well at more complex jobs
2) If someone decided to go through two years as a recruit becaue he couldn't be bothered completing something as easy as BMT, he's worse than useless - he's a liabilityAnything beyond the above is simply tangential.
Now, as for Lokey. Yeah, it's a "the idiot's opened his big mouth once again so we'll pillory him once again session". You're obviously new to these parts, but you'll soon find out that Lokey's a self-aggrandising loser with delusions of adequacy, and he makes up plenty of absurd stories to justify his shortcomings.
Vis-a-vis a shortage of combat soldiers, the Commandos now take in recruits with glasses, while back in the old days that was an absolute no-go. What does that tell you about the manpower situation?
"Out of the box" thinking is generally and falsely taken to be a good thing. It can have some advantages, but if you as an employer don't keep it from running rampant, it could cause you some serious headaches from your subordinates.
For the commando part, the pressure comes both ways, lack of manpower, and lack of non-speckys.
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Rank?
Who cares about it?
When come to reservist
all have to work together
ever saw two bar officer dig trench
with Man?
thats wat being respected as a real officer!!
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Originally posted by Francis Yap:
well, after reading all these posts, i got a point to make. I am not sure whether the people here are against lokey personally (you all seems to have something against him from the posts you all made),or you all are simply looking down on those guys with no rank. I had always thought that rank only matters in the force. It is very important to regulars but not as much to the NSFs since everybody serves for 2yrs and will F off. Don't tell me because you were an officer/ spec during NS and your boss (in civilian world of course!) were not, you can use your rank on him and said things like, I am LTA(NS) or 3SG(NS), you (the boss) are a LCP(NS) and so I shouldnt be listening to you etc.. Doesn't make sense right?
anyway,don't ever think that people with no rank won't make it far in life. Just to share with you all, due to my job requirements, i have to interact with NSmen. There have been instances whereby the OC or PC of a company or platoon turns out to be the subordinates of people of lower ranks like drivers or medics. Lol. You will be surprised at the civilian pay some of these service support personnels draw as compared to combat officers/specs. From my interactions with these guys, they take a special view towards NS which (I think) may be indirectly contributing to their success (measured in terms of earning power) in future life. These people are the ultimate kengster and they actually got what they wanted by 'thinking out of the box' and coming up with ways to fight the system so as to achieve what they wanted. When it comes to working in civilian world, these people adopted a pretty similar strategy and some of them actually became very successful because of this. Wheras for officers/specs, from my interactions with some of them, the reason they gave me for wanting to become spec/officer is because of honour,glory,wanting to do themselves and family proud, wanting to build up their leadership quality etc. This is pretty similar to what I have always heard when I was a recruit in tekong. Seems like these people have been totally brainwashed. By chance, sometimes I would discuss politics with them and they would be the same ppl who will praise our almighty govt and say how lucky and fortunate we were for being able to reside here etc. They got all these ideas from their many years of formal education, mainstream media and of course, the notorious social studies subject. Lol.
For ppl who can be so easily swayed and manipulated, I wonder how can they become a leader in the first place. Maybe because SAF is a military organisation and due to operational requirements, everybody must be a yes-man and follow instructions passed down from higher levels, that's why traits like 'thinking out of the box' and 'being different' is always frowned upon. Wheras those who can take and execute instructions swiftly and accurately are deemed to have leadership quality (in military sense) and that's why they are selected for command school. But is this the type of 'leadership quality' that will allows one to be successful in life? I personally feel that one can thrives with this quality if he was working in a large company as a lower/middle management personnel, but not so for the top job, that's why these tops jobs are taken up by the people whom they have despised during NS time - those who dares to be different and has the ability to think out of box.
I guess it's because of this reason that's y anomaly is sometimes observed in the pays of NSmen. ie, lower ranking personnel earning higher pay when they are supposedly lacking in leadership material..
That is a long post. When we enter NS at 18, 19 and 20, we are just kids. How can you judge a person ability with just a two years contribution? Besides, not every1 is interested to run, sweat and dirty.
For me, anything that got to do with earning $$$ interests me with minimum intellect and physical effort, other than that, it is none of my business and concern.
The most important thing, I HATE people telling me, what I have to do.
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Originally posted by Francis Yap:
well. rest assured that i din keng at all. i orded very recently and my superiors were very happy with my work performance. I got outstanding for both my conduct and performance and was given a good testimonial. I agreed completely with u that ppl who kenged are a pain in the ass. I have personally kanna shit from them as a result of their irresponsible and selfish behaviour. they are surely disliked by everybody,
if u read carefully in my post, i had never stated that i supported ppl who kenged. in addition, one must realise tat kenging may or may not affect ur colleagues and superiors at all. for eg, if in a lull period where one really does nothing and just talk cock and sing song everyday, i don't see how others will be affected should one guy decided to take mc and settles some personal stuffs. however, if the welfare of rest of his colleagues will be affected through his action, then doing so will be highly irresponsible and definitely l'll not do that. Tat's y i always make use of this 'peer pressure' on my guys in the hope that they will behave. But there will always be shamless one who does not give a damn to the rest of his peers. I will use a different approach on this type of guy then.
Going back to Fatum's original point,you were basically talking abt how kenging would affect other ppl like ur superiors and peers, on this part i agree with you. However, in the case which i mentioned previously (abt drivers/ clerks and non combat medics 'kenging' and being very successful in civilian life), their kenging is not the type which we typically encounters like doing shit left behind by other lazy bastards. They keng so as to get into slacker vocation. How does this affect other people? Or is Fatum trying to tell me by doing that, the driver/clerks/medics is depriving SAF of a precious combat soldier and thus, CPC will have a headache when it it comes to the allocation of manpower? Anyway,just to let u know in case u are unaware,there has been quite a number of cases where PES AB guys being posted to as medics/drivers/storemen etc. Dun think there's rly a lack of combat soldiers such tat 1 guy kenging into service support vocation is gonna create troule for CPC..and just to add on, you must not simply assume that ppl who keng into slacker vocation= they will keng in their job! As if those who din manage to keng out of their vocations they disliked will be on in their job. Lol. Hope u can see the link. The guys (lower rank NSmen driver,medics,clerks) whom made it good in life also possess considerable EQ. They may dislike their job but they wont sabo their frens for extra work.In conclusion,superiors usually think highly of them cos they dun create trouble as they usually understand the importance of mutual respect and mutually beneficial relationship. In essence,they does the bare minimum (wayang) and yet superiors think highly of them. They do keng but they only do it to benefit themselves and not to bring abt inconvenience to others (superiors and peers). These are the ppl who are well liked by ppl, live good life and more rest days. These are the really 'smart' ppl whom I said that will eventually gets the top position. Hope u can see my point!
lol .... I think you're confused ...
so .... do you suppose those "successful" chaps you mentioned .... made it from your version of kenging, as you put it .... or they made it because of their "considerable EQ" ? (SICs)
Do you mean if you keng you'll be successful ? Or that if you have high EQ you'll be successful ? That you'll be successful if you have high EQ ? If you have high EQ you'll keng ? Do all kengsters have high EQ ? Do all those with high EQs keng ? And those who have high EQ but don't keng won't make it ?
chew on these slowly now, don't choke ... and rethink slowly as to really why some people made it and some don't ?
But here's a slightly different question for you then. You yourself said, most assuredly, you did not keng during NS ... so now that you've just ORD'ed ..... what are you expectations of your own future .... since you seem to have the impression that kengsters are more successful .... but unfortunately .... you did not keng ?
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One fact one must recognise is that there are people who process absolute different attitudes towards NSF and career.
They may 'keng' their way through NSF whilst strive their best for their own career. Called it 'self interest over national interest or whatever'.
But of course there are some who are just absolute slackers in their whole life.
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haha. i am getting confused? I guess you are the one getting confused and not really understanding the point i am trying to make. Maybe my writing skill has deteriorated over the two years that's why Fatum can't understand what I am trying to say? Or he himself has problem grasping complicated (while i thought it's simple enough for everybody) ideas? If that was the case I would not have bothered explaining to you and should have let you believed that wat you said was fully acceptable to me. That way you might have felt accomplished that at least you did not have problems understanding wat others were trying to tell u and others understood wat u wrote.haha.
Fatum has a really simplistic outlook towards life. correlation doesnt mean causation okay. To make it simple for you, If two events A & B happened together, it does not necessarily means that A causes B or B causes A. You should have learned this in pri school right? Don't tell me you need to relearn pri school concepts?
I mentioned that SOME people who kenged into slacker vocation possess considerable EQ that allows them to be successful in life. Which idiot will go and assume that because of this statement made, i presume that ALL people who keng MUST have high EQ and because they keng they MUST have high EQ, they MUST be successful in life? OMG. Such a simplistic outlook towards life. Fatum, doesn't mean if a thing is not black,it must be white,vice versa. OMG. Can i know how old are you? Maybe you havent been to pri school yet. Sorry, if i sounds very offensive. I din mean to. But just that i don't expect normal adults to think in this manner. The post I am trying to make is trying to show u the 'grey' side of the world. Must try to step out from your strictly black and white world okay?
Seems like you are interested to find out wat everybody did during their NS. Wat was their rank etc. But i dun see you sharing yours? But i admit that officers GENERALLY (note to fatum, not all okay. it's not a strictly black and white world :D) takes more pride in their work and they don't blatantly keng as much as certain lower ranking guys. of course,the smarter one will still go for the 2nd form of higher level kenging, ie benefitting oneself and not inconveniencing others.Fatum, do u have problems understanding? OMG. I dont think so cos ur brain has already been conditioned to believe tat ppl keng=bad for me=more work for me so all ppl who keng=irresponsible ppl= wont make it far in life=failure. wah. i summarise ur thought in a single equation man. lol. were u the hardworking one who nvr took any chance to slack and decided to be the target board for everybody and so u hate kengster so much? I pity u then. If i was ur Pc i would have taken additional care to ensure ppl like u wont get makan by other smarter ppl. weaklings need to be protected. Ur pc din do a gd in protecting u!
Anyway,i am a LTA who just orded. waiting to start school in an oversea uni. lol. hope tat satisfy fatum's query. Fatum, wat abt u ? Can show us how a fantastic soldier who nvr (or lack the ability? lol) siam and willingly do all the shits fares in real life? Are u a CEO of a MNC now doing all the works in the MNC?lol.the sole employee and thus the CEO? haha
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Originally posted by Francis Yap:
haha. i am getting confused? I guess you are the one getting confused and not really understanding the point i am trying to make. Maybe my writing skill has deteriorated over the two years that's why Fatum can't understand what I am trying to say? Or he himself has problem grasping complicated (while i thought it's simple enough for everybody) ideas? If that was the case I would not have bothered explaining to you and should have let you believed that wat you said was fully acceptable to me. That way you might have felt accomplished that at least you did not have problems understanding wat others were trying to tell u and others understood wat u wrote.haha.
Fatum has a really simplistic outlook towards life. correlation doesnt mean causation okay. To make it simple for you, If two events A & B happened together, it does not necessarily means that A causes B or B causes A. You should have learned this in pri school right? Don't tell me you need to relearn pri school concepts?
I mentioned that SOME people who kenged into slacker vocation possess considerable EQ that allows them to be successful in life. Which idiot will go and assume that because of this statement made, i presume that ALL people who keng MUST have high EQ and because they keng they MUST have high EQ, they MUST be successful in life? OMG. Such a simplistic outlook towards life. Fatum, doesn't mean if a thing is not black,it must be white,vice versa. OMG. Can i know how old are you? Maybe you havent been to pri school yet. Sorry, if i sounds very offensive. I din mean to. But just that i don't expect normal adults to think in this manner. The post I am trying to make is trying to show u the 'grey' side of the world. Must try to step out from your strictly black and white world okay?
Seems like you are interested to find out wat everybody did during their NS. Wat was their rank etc. But i dun see you sharing yours? But i admit that officers GENERALLY (note to fatum, not all okay. it's not a strictly black and white world :D) takes more pride in their work and they don't blatantly keng as much as certain lower ranking guys. of course,the smarter one will still go for the 2nd form of higher level kenging, ie benefitting oneself and not inconveniencing others.Fatum, do u have problems understanding? OMG. I dont think so cos ur brain has already been conditioned to believe tat ppl keng=bad for me=more work for me so all ppl who keng=irresponsible ppl= wont make it far in life=failure. wah. i summarise ur thought in a single equation man. lol. were u the hardworking one who nvr took any chance to slack and decided to be the target board for everybody and so u hate kengster so much? I pity u then. If i was ur Pc i would have taken additional care to ensure ppl like u wont get makan by other smarter ppl. weaklings need to be protected. Ur pc din do a gd in protecting u!
Anyway,i am a LTA who just orded. waiting to start school in an oversea uni. lol. hope tat satisfy fatum's query. Fatum, wat abt u ? Can show us how a fantastic soldier who nvr (or lack the ability? lol) siam and willingly do all the shits fares in real life? Are u a CEO of a MNC now doing all the works in the MNC?lol.the sole employee and thus the CEO? haha
Relax... Francis.... There is no need to take the forumers seriously as this is a R&R session. I understand your view point. Since u just ORD, I assume that you should understand how one can ORD as a Rec/Private. Care to share with the ignorants.. -
Originally posted by Spartans:
One fact one must recognise is that there are people who process absolute different attitudes towards NSF and career.
They may 'keng' their way through NSF whilst strive their best for their own career. Called it 'self interest over national interest or whatever'.
But of course there are some who are just absolute slackers in their whole life.
hehehe, slackers and kengsters are different you know.Kengsters are knowing that tomolo is going outfield for 1 week, but he decides to report sick on the day before, getting the MC resting in the bunk for 1 week instead. But of course, weak people like me, easily fall sick almost instantly when I forget cover myself with blanket properly. (this is the truth: I really have been sick since the haze show up a few months ago and have been sicky since then. cough. cough. cough)
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Originally posted by Francis Yap:
haha. i am getting confused? I guess you are the one getting confused and not really understanding the point i am trying to make. Maybe my writing skill has deteriorated over the two years that's why Fatum can't understand what I am trying to say? Or he himself has problem grasping complicated (while i thought it's simple enough for everybody) ideas? If that was the case I would not have bothered explaining to you and should have let you believed that wat you said was fully acceptable to me. That way you might have felt accomplished that at least you did not have problems understanding wat others were trying to tell u and others understood wat u wrote.haha.
Fatum has a really simplistic outlook towards life. correlation doesnt mean causation okay. To make it simple for you, If two events A & B happened together, it does not necessarily means that A causes B or B causes A. You should have learned this in pri school right? Don't tell me you need to relearn pri school concepts?
I mentioned that SOME people who kenged into slacker vocation possess considerable EQ that allows them to be successful in life. Which idiot will go and assume that because of this statement made, i presume that ALL people who keng MUST have high EQ and because they keng they MUST have high EQ, they MUST be successful in life? OMG. Such a simplistic outlook towards life. Fatum, doesn't mean if a thing is not black,it must be white,vice versa. OMG. Can i know how old are you? Maybe you havent been to pri school yet. Sorry, if i sounds very offensive. I din mean to. But just that i don't expect normal adults to think in this manner. The post I am trying to make is trying to show u the 'grey' side of the world. Must try to step out from your strictly black and white world okay?
Seems like you are interested to find out wat everybody did during their NS. Wat was their rank etc. But i dun see you sharing yours? But i admit that officers GENERALLY (note to fatum, not all okay. it's not a strictly black and white world :D) takes more pride in their work and they don't blatantly keng as much as certain lower ranking guys. of course,the smarter one will still go for the 2nd form of higher level kenging, ie benefitting oneself and not inconveniencing others.Fatum, do u have problems understanding? OMG. I dont think so cos ur brain has already been conditioned to believe tat ppl keng=bad for me=more work for me so all ppl who keng=irresponsible ppl= wont make it far in life=failure. wah. i summarise ur thought in a single equation man. lol. were u the hardworking one who nvr took any chance to slack and decided to be the target board for everybody and so u hate kengster so much? I pity u then. If i was ur Pc i would have taken additional care to ensure ppl like u wont get makan by other smarter ppl. weaklings need to be protected. Ur pc din do a gd in protecting u!
Anyway,i am a LTA who just orded. waiting to start school in an oversea uni. lol. hope tat satisfy fatum's query. Fatum, wat abt u ? Can show us how a fantastic soldier who nvr (or lack the ability? lol) siam and willingly do all the shits fares in real life? Are u a CEO of a MNC now doing all the works in the MNC?lol.the sole employee and thus the CEO? haha
I'm sorry, but people who siam = hopeless.
My buddy told me this when he helped me when he should be sleeping preparing for the next drill: If I don't help you, who would?
Corny as it sounds, it stuck to me even till today.
What weaklings?? *snorts*
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Originally posted by Lokey:I am letting him to do some study during office hours, since I dont have much work for him also.
How come you are supervising lab techs now when a few months ago you said you in the middle of your PhD?
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
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Originally posted by Francis Yap:
haha. i am getting confused? I guess you are the one getting confused and not really understanding the point i am trying to make. Maybe my writing skill has deteriorated over the two years that's why Fatum can't understand what I am trying to say? Or he himself has problem grasping complicated (while i thought it's simple enough for everybody) ideas? If that was the case I would not have bothered explaining to you and should have let you believed that wat you said was fully acceptable to me. That way you might have felt accomplished that at least you did not have problems understanding wat others were trying to tell u and others understood wat u wrote.haha.
Fatum has a really simplistic outlook towards life. correlation doesnt mean causation okay. To make it simple for you, If two events A & B happened together, it does not necessarily means that A causes B or B causes A. You should have learned this in pri school right? Don't tell me you need to relearn pri school concepts?
I mentioned that SOME people who kenged into slacker vocation possess considerable EQ that allows them to be successful in life. Which idiot will go and assume that because of this statement made, i presume that ALL people who keng MUST have high EQ and because they keng they MUST have high EQ, they MUST be successful in life? OMG. Such a simplistic outlook towards life. Fatum, doesn't mean if a thing is not black,it must be white,vice versa. OMG. Can i know how old are you? Maybe you havent been to pri school yet. Sorry, if i sounds very offensive. I din mean to. But just that i don't expect normal adults to think in this manner. The post I am trying to make is trying to show u the 'grey' side of the world. Must try to step out from your strictly black and white world okay?
Seems like you are interested to find out wat everybody did during their NS. Wat was their rank etc. But i dun see you sharing yours? But i admit that officers GENERALLY (note to fatum, not all okay. it's not a strictly black and white world :D) takes more pride in their work and they don't blatantly keng as much as certain lower ranking guys. of course,the smarter one will still go for the 2nd form of higher level kenging, ie benefitting oneself and not inconveniencing others.Fatum, do u have problems understanding? OMG. I dont think so cos ur brain has already been conditioned to believe tat ppl keng=bad for me=more work for me so all ppl who keng=irresponsible ppl= wont make it far in life=failure. wah. i summarise ur thought in a single equation man. lol. were u the hardworking one who nvr took any chance to slack and decided to be the target board for everybody and so u hate kengster so much? I pity u then. If i was ur Pc i would have taken additional care to ensure ppl like u wont get makan by other smarter ppl. weaklings need to be protected. Ur pc din do a gd in protecting u!
Anyway,i am a LTA who just orded. waiting to start school in an oversea uni. lol. hope tat satisfy fatum's query. Fatum, wat abt u ? Can show us how a fantastic soldier who nvr (or lack the ability? lol) siam and willingly do all the shits fares in real life? Are u a CEO of a MNC now doing all the works in the MNC?lol.the sole employee and thus the CEO? haha
Ooooo .... did that hurt ? ... an LTA waiting to go to an overseas uni eh ? Make sure you sign up for a course in first order logic yah ... and sort out your predicates and premises.
I guess your anger must have compromised your ability to comprehend what I wrote. But here goes, I'll sort it out in point form to make it easier for you.
First you said, that the kengsters you came across posessed considerable EQ, and that they were very successful in life.
fine ... I guess the keng questions above were a bit confusing, especially for slower people. But let's distill that into one simple question for you. So which is the real ingredient that makes people successful in life ? The ability to keng, or perhaps considerable EQ ? Have you thought about that already ?
Next, ho ho ! ... the tune's changed. Suddenly, you said that correlation is not equal to causation, that not everything's in black and white. That only some were like that. In case you haven't realize it by now, that's what I have been trying to impress upon lesser, malingering minds since the beginning. But do you yourself realize that you have just nullified everything you yourself said so far ?
I think not.
But however, now that you've reveiled yourself to be an officer. Let's quote some of your very own words.
Wheras for officers/specs, from my interactions with some of them, the reason they gave me for wanting to become spec/officer is because of honour,glory,wanting to do themselves and family proud, wanting to build up their leadership quality etc. This is pretty similar to what I have always heard when I was a recruit in tekong. Seems like these people have been totally brainwashed. By chance, sometimes I would discuss politics with them and they would be the same ppl who will praise our almighty govt and say how lucky and fortunate we were for being able to reside here etc. They got all these ideas from their many years of formal education, mainstream media and of course, the notorious social studies subject. Lol.
For ppl who can be so easily swayed and manipulated, I wonder how can they become a leader in the first place.
these were your words mind you.
so, "lieutenant" ..... what were you like ? ... or perhaps the question should be ... what were you, really ?
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
How come you are supervising lab techs now when a few months ago you said you in the middle of your PhD?
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Have u really use ur brain before talking out? Dont make a fool of urself if you know nothing at all. You make me laugh non-stop. Are you really at post-grad level?
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Originally posted by Lokey:
Have u really use ur brain before talking out? Dont make a fool of urself if you know nothing at all. You make me laugh non-stop. Are you really at post-grad level?
Are you saying you never claimed to be a PhD postgrad student? A simple yes or no will do - none of this bullshitting to sidestep the issue please.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Are you saying you never claimed to be a PhD postgrad student? A simple yes or no will do - none of this bullshitting to sidestep the issue please.
I am saying you are idiot, who comment about something, without knowing anything. Seriously, you should shut ur mouth. And stop destroying the thread sequence. Please do something constructive, it would be deeply appreciated.
I have several personnels, helping me in various things. one personnel under direct supervision for my project. the other two taking care of logistics, funding, 1 lab officer working on another project, 1 FYP student, 1 Master (submitted thesis). Unlike my friend, he is more lucky, he have 5 personnels directly under him, and another 5 students directly in charge.
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Cut out the bullshit. I don't give a damn who is under you, over you or inside you.
I'm calling you a liar because you claimed to be doing your PhD and you now seem to have conveniently changed your story. Your unwillingness to address the issue and face the music is as much proof of your continued bullshit as anyone needs.
Now, are you doing your PhD? Yes or no?
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Y should I answer ur question? Whether I am doing a PhD, or not, it is my private life. Beside, there is no evidence to prove that my claim is true in both answers. Have u use ur brain before asking me?Originally posted by Gedanken:Cut out the bullshit. I don't give a damn who is under you, over you or inside you.
I'm calling you a liar because you claimed to be doing your PhD and you now seem to have conveniently changed your story. Your unwillingness to address the issue and face the music is as much proof of your continued bullshit as anyone needs.
Now, are you doing your PhD? Yes or no?
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So the answer is no.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
So the answer is no.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
lol. that is ur assumption. I never say so. hehehe...
I would not be so vexed and sianz, writing the lit review now. Perhaps, if i am less intellectual, I would not be having so much headache, eating so much panadol.
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Oh, now you're saying you are?
Complain about not being able to pass exams and retain your imaginary "scholarship", and now you're Mister Tua Kee supervisor?
Liar, liar, ass for hire.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Oh, now you're saying you are?
Complain about not being able to pass exams and retain your imaginary "scholarship", and now you're Mister Tua Kee supervisor?
Liar, liar, ass for hire.
childish.