PES FAQs
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Originally posted by pringo:
I actually have MC right now till tuesday. I had a fever of 39C today when I went to get looked at by the doctor. So I get to rest for the next few days. Being sick like this makes everything hurt more.
So the time between getting recommended for a pes downgrade and actually getting a pes downgrade varies right? 1month-3months? Between that time what will i be doing, sai-kang?
Do get more rest and drink more water. Your fever may have something to do with your arm.
Anyway, unfortunately, what you said is true. Between the period when your MO push up your case and when you actually get down-pes, you will be considered healthy and just excused from HL/UL. If your MO does not write anything for you, you will be in quite a fix. Besides sai-kang, you will be expected to participate in all activities which has nothing to do with what your commanders deem as "carrying heavy load".
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Originally posted by Forbiddensinner:
Do get more rest and drink more water. Your fever may have something to do with your arm.
Anyway, unfortunately, what you said is true. Between the period when your MO push up your case and when you actually get down-pes, you will be considered healthy and just excused from HL/UL. If your MO does not write anything for you, you will be in quite a fix. Besides sai-kang, you will be expected to participate in all activities which has nothing to do with what your commanders deem as "carrying heavy load".
100% sure that my arm has nothing to do with my fever. My arm has been like this for 2 weeks already, while my fever just started two days ago.
But when the MO pushes my case up for down-pes, doesn't he make me sign a form for OOT? I guess I'll have to ask my specialist to be very specific.
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Originally posted by pringo:
Hi all,
I greatly appreciate this giant faq about pes statuses. But I am in quite a situation right now.
I enlisted into BMT in early november 2010, and after the first two weeks I developed a progressively painful sensation in my left shoulder. It started out to be only when I lifted heavy weights or tried to put my arm above paralell to the ground. But now it has progressed into feeling pain with just about doing nothing ie. lying down, standing, sitting. What's worse is that the MO gave me excuse UL/HL and I was still made to carry full jerry cans, stand for the duration of the entire PT session, carry my field pack which made the pain increase. I can't even hold my rifle properly because my left arm can't take the weight.
I reported to MO three times, 1st time he gave me panadol, 2nd he gave me physio, 3rd was to deliver my specialists letter. My specialist said that the bones in my shoulder blade are misaligned. I had no idea about this, as I've never experienced any pain or this sensation before in my life. I enlisted as PES A status, and now I can't even wear my black sling bag on my left shoulder without immense pain.
I talked it over with my parents/friends/relatives and have come to a conclusion that screwing up a body part, which will most definitly be permanent if I continued BMT is not worth a life full of pain.
I just completed my MRI a few days ago to make sure it's nothing worse then a bone misalignment, if it is then I'm SOL =\. The specialist said it will takes months of physio to reduce the pain significantly, and that it would be absurd to return to the safe physical level of activity. Over my short stay in BMT I also developed these rashes on my back whenever I slept, I suspect it's may be caused by a dust allergy. I'm planning on going to an allergist soon to get this tested. If it comes back positive, what will happen to me?
Summary:
Shoulder blade misalignment causes me great pain: Heavy weights, running, prolonged standing (5-10minutes), wearing iLBV, field pack, black sling bag), sleeping (woke up many times because of rolling onto my shoulder, or being on my back for too long).May have a dust allergy that I didn't know I had.
If I had known about any of these conditions I would have presented them to CMPB during my medical check. I'd also like to know, since I've finished my college degree, what PES/Vocation is most likely for me to be assigned to?
Dear pringo,
I would like to share with you about my condition which is very similar to yours. I just had an arthroscopic surgery on my left shoulder on 1st Oct. I have been injured since May 2010.
Firstly, 6 out of 10 scale for pain is a bad sign. I told my physiotherapist the same thing, 6 out of 10 when doing nothing, 8-9 out of 10 if I were to carry any objects. As for me, I had cracking sensations on my left shoulder for 2 weeks with the fact that dislocation is ruled out based on the x-ray scan. 2 weeks of pain as simple as sitting, standing, esp sleeping is alarming. I couldn't help that the inflammation spreads to my entire left arm and my left side of my neck. I guess you might have a ligament or tendon tear.Your misaligned shoulder blade may be the fact that the mechanism in your shoulder joint is not normal and has recently caused your ligament or tendon to tear abit, thus causing the inflammation pain in your left shoulder.
Secondly, your health is utmost important above everything else. If you are made to do sai kang, always fight for your health. Don't give in to your commanders' pressure. Sad to say for my case, even my camp MO and my OC does not understand that with one injured shoulder (arm) , they pressume you can use the right arm to carry things. Bullshit. You might overuse your right healthy arm. Even my camp MO finds me alright to continue as a temp storeman. Once your MRI scan shows something that is quite serious, just endorse, surely OOT, get a downgrade. You can recourse another time when you are well.
Thirdly, if the MRI scan shows a ligament or tendon tear, physiotherapy sessions will not work because the exercises only strengthens and prevent your left shoulder from stiffening. Ligaments or tendons do not heal on their own. Surgery is required to mend the tear. It takes 6 months to recovery for shoulder surgery conditions.
Now, I hope that you will get posted to a clerical job. My specialist always checks on me to ensure that I do clerical job because you should know very well that all vocations also cannot except ASA.
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Originally posted by Forbiddensinner:
As for the re-BMT, usually it will come at the end of your NS, just before you ORD. Note that there do are people who are slotted right into the re-BMT for another Pes soon after they are down-pesed. But that is because the timing is just nice, with the BMT of the other Pes starting during that period.
Right now I'm on a two week medical leave. I'm awaiting an appt with an SAF specialist so he can properly access what pes status I'll be slotted into, since the MO couldn't find my specific case in the pes bible.
So what happens to me if I don't re-BMT right away? Do they post me out to another vocation as a recruit?
Also, will not being able to hold a rifle properly effect my pes status?
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Originally posted by pringo:
Right now I'm on a two week medical leave. I'm awaiting an appt with an SAF specialist so he can properly access what pes status I'll be slotted into, since the MO couldn't find my specific case in the pes bible.
So what happens to me if I don't re-BMT right away? Do they post me out to another vocation as a recruit?
Also, will not being able to hold a rifle properly effect my pes status?
If you don't re-BMT straight away, you will be posted to a unit.
In your case, where cannot lift up things, I believe you will likely be a clerk if you get down-Pes.
And yes, you will be recruit all the way till you complete your re-BMT, after which they will promote you straight to CPL.
Being unable to hold a rifle properly will likely affect your vocation rather than your Pes if sounded out by the spec - the biggest factor which will affect your Pes is clearly your arm, or rather how bad it actually is.
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Originally posted by pringo:
Right now I'm on a two week medical leave. I'm awaiting an appt with an SAF specialist so he can properly access what pes status I'll be slotted into, since the MO couldn't find my specific case in the pes bible.
So what happens to me if I don't re-BMT right away? Do they post me out to another vocation as a recruit?
Also, will not being able to hold a rifle properly effect my pes status?
Relax lah. Just let them post you to whatever they need to post you. It is not within your control anyway.
Most people don't know that there is anything wrong with them until they start to exercise. U can search for "swimmer's shoulder", shoulder impingement syndrome. Most probably you are still young and you are at stage 1.
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thanks for all your replies/support. It's been really helpful.
Last question though. Is the re-bmt essentially the same as what regular bmt would have been for that pes group? Or is it shorter/longer in duration and more/less intenese?
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Originally posted by pringo:
thanks for all your replies/support. It's been really helpful.
Last question though. Is the re-bmt essentially the same as what regular bmt would have been for that pes group? Or is it shorter/longer in duration and more/less intenese?
Same duration, and usually much less intense.
Unless you are suay enough to meet garang commanders.
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very simple question here.
We know that for enlistees, the new pes B2 will be used to replace pes C1 with effect from June 2010.
Just interested to know what happens to the Pes status of Pes C1 ppl who ORDed since June 2010.
Since the pes C1 no longer exist, will the existing pes C1 personels upgrade to the new B2 pes upon ording? or will they retain their "unique" status? or is the "upgrade" only available upon request?
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i saw Pes E9 personnel still being called back in my unit ICT I think it was because they were downgraded after being posted to this camp and they had to wake up with rest of the battalion at 5.30, and stay in with them during the entire ICT
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hi. May i ask. I pes e9l9 got excuse on wad? Do i have excuse on uniform? Wad excuse do i have?
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Originally posted by Jeremy kzt:
hi. May i ask. I pes e9l9 got excuse on wad? Do i have excuse on uniform? Wad excuse do i have?
What excuse you have depends on your medical condition rather than your Pes.
Being E9L9 means that you are almost certainly a clerk or storeman, with the former one more likely the case.
Clerks wear No.3 and storeman wear No.4, so no excuse of uniform.
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Originally posted by pierre^^:
i saw Pes E9 personnel still being called back in my unit ICT
I think it was because they were downgraded after being posted to this camp
and they had to wake up with rest of the battalion at 5.30, and stay in with them during the entire ICT
Pes E9 does not meant that you dont have reservist rarer it is not needed.
I do call back Pes E9L9 people back for support. And these personnels had heart failure.
What is the problem with waking up at 5:30? Back end support is also important.
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I kind of enjoy going back to ICT or BCT, even IPPT. I think its good training plus can take our minds off a busy work schedule. Learning something useful every training and making friends. So the reservist system is a good one. I heard that many people who dun like being called back are usually the people who can't pass IPPT? Is it true?
I have a medical problem and is waiting for Medical Board to down PES (possibly to PES C9). For now I'm still enjoying going for training.
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
I kind of enjoy going back to ICT or BCT, even IPPT. I think its good training plus can take our minds off a busy work schedule. Learning something useful every training and making friends. So the reservist system is a good one. I heard that many people who dun like being called back are usually the people who can't pass IPPT? Is it true?
I have a medical problem and is waiting for Medical Board to down PES (possibly to PES C9). For now I'm still enjoying going for training.
Nope. I am Pes C9 L2. I dont need take IPPT since NSF times. I dont like being called back because it is a waste of time. Before the ICT, I need to arrange my work and so many administrations. After 3 weeks, my work piled up and I have to clear like crazy, apologizing to every1 under the sun that I am on ICT. And seriously, SAF really call me back to use eye power. It is only wasting my time, other people's times and taxpayers's money. People dont have time for this kind of nonsense when you are busy at work, fighting for survival outside.
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Originally posted by Lokey:
Nope. I am Pes C9 L2. I dont need take IPPT since NSF times. I dont like being called back because it is a waste of time. Before the ICT, I need to arrange my work and so many administrations. After 3 weeks, my work piled up and I have to clear like crazy, apologizing to every1 under the sun that I am on ICT. And seriously, SAF really call me back to use eye power. It is only wasting my time, other people's times and taxpayers's money. People dont have time for this kind of nonsense when you are busy at work, fighting for survival outside.
I understand, but Singapore needs soldiers to defend right? As a Singaporean and/or PR, we must serve the Nation mah....I agree sometimes ICT may disrupt our work schedule, but no choice still must go right?
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
I understand, but Singapore needs soldiers to defend right? As a Singaporean and/or PR, we must serve the Nation mah....I agree sometimes ICT may disrupt our work schedule, but no choice still must go right?
Of course, Singapore need soldiers to defend. But SAF called me back to use eyepower, which is a waste of time. You know what is eyepower. Eyepower means I use eye to see. I am not going to do anything physical, neither they are asking me to do anything phyisical. What I am there for?
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Originally posted by Lokey:
Of course, Singapore need soldiers to defend. But SAF called me back to use eyepower, which is a waste of time. You know what is eyepower. Eyepower means I use eye to see. I am not going to do anything physical, neither they are asking me to do anything phyisical. What I am there for?
U are a clerk? I mean u PES C9 L2 ? I'm sure there's a program for u. Just enjoy the training, even though its "eyes power" only....Dun like it also have to attend. Its our fate being Singaporean and/or PR.
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
U are a clerk? I mean u PES C9 L2 ? I'm sure there's a program for u. Just enjoy the training, even though its "eyes power" only....Dun like it also have to attend. Its our fate being Singaporean and/or PR.
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No choice, have to go reservist mah....anybody got fired on the job becos of too excessive reservist trainings?
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I have some questions to ask.
1) When are we allowed to return home during national service
(such as during the BMT, and during our vocations and stints)
2) Are we allowed to have study part-time during NS?
3) May I know what is an 8-5 unit?
4) I currently am wearing brown spectacles. Is it compulsory for all
bespectacled NS men to wear black spectacles?5) If I get Silver or Gold for NAPFA and I'm in PES C or E, do I still get the 2 month reduction from full time NS?
6) Can I bring the following items during enlistment day or into camp:
- mp3, mp3 charger, Metal retainers for braces, health pills/supplements, certain kind of skin and bathing products, study guidebooks/ storybooks/ assessment book, bible?
Sorry for asking so much. Thank you and pls reply!
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Originally posted by Vuur:
I have some questions to ask.
1) When are we allowed to return home during national service
(such as during the BMT, and during our vocations and stints)Yes, you are allowed to return home. NS is not prison. for BMT, you can only go home after spending 2 weekends. After that, you get to go home every weekend.
and if you happen to end up in an 8-5 vocation after bmt, you get to go home everyday.
2) Are we allowed to have study part-time during NS?Yes you may, but subjected to superior approval and the condition that you are in a 8-5 job which allows you to book out everyday.
3) May I know what is an 8-5 unit?There is no 8-5 units, but 8-5 jobs. you report for work at 8am, and go home at 5pm.
4) I currently am wearing brown spectacles. Is it compulsory for all
bespectacled NS men to wear black spectacles?yes and no. you can wear any spectacles you like, but when you go outfield for exercises, you are required to wear black plastic specs.
5) If I get Silver or Gold for NAPFA and I'm in PES C or E, do I still get the 2 month reduction from full time NS?
no 2 month reduction for pes C and E. but if you are pes B, but downpes to C and below during NS, you will still get to enjoy the 2 month reduction
6) Can I bring the following items during enlistment day or into camp:
- mp3, mp3 charger, Metal retainers for braces, health pills/supplements, certain kind of skin and bathing products, study guidebooks/ storybooks/ assessment book, bible?
you can bring in books, creams etc.
but chargers and storage devices such as memory cards, thumbdrives are not allowed.
Sorry for asking so much. Thank you and pls reply!
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
No choice, have to go reservist mah....anybody got fired on the job becos of too excessive reservist trainings?
I think nobody lah....basically the reservist schedules are ok with most guys.
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Hi guys,
If i get skin rash quite often due to heat or perspiration, is there an exemption of any sort(e.g. down pes, excuse uniform......etc.)? Thx.
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Originally posted by Jerrick.lee.85:
Hi guys,
If i get skin rash quite often due to heat or perspiration, is there an exemption of any sort(e.g. down pes, excuse uniform......etc.)? Thx.
If you can convince MO that your uniform is at fault, you can get excuse uniform. However, a down PES is very unlikely, unless you are in PES A now and you want to downpes to PES B.