PES FAQs
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Need some help guys. I'm going in Aug 3 8.45 am. 9-week MODIFIED basic military training. But I'm confused. My PES status is PES B1 L1. And I haven't pass NAPFA. My friend said that I'm suppose to go to PTP batch. Did they got it correct? or they messed up? Will they push me to the PTP batch which I heard is in September. If not, it's next week already.. At my first Medical Checkup I declared a minor thing and they gave me PES B2 L2. Then they asked me to come for another medical checkup and then they graded me as PES B1 L1. So if I'm B1 L1, I'm supposed to go for PTP batch right? coz i Havent pass my NAPFA. I'm confused uh. Need someone to clarify for me before I call. I just noticed it recently. Didn't read the letter since the first time I saw it few months ago.
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Hi Dr Eac and all the Brothers out there,
First of all, I am truly grateful for this platform having been created to take our queries. I would like to reaffirm Dr Eac and friends that your efforts are not wasted!
I'm currently serving NS. Got injured in BMT with shoulder labral tear, in a few rifle related incidents, and went for my surgery after BMT. During the 1st post op review, the assistant specialist wrote me a memo. It stated the recurrent subluxations I was having, the surgery underwent and also a,very direct, downgrade recommendation. [is that strong-worded enough?]
When I went back to see the army 2lta mo, he didnt accept my specialist's memo and told me that my pes b2 status stays. From my understanding pes b2 exempts me from chin-ups only and I'm still eligible for combat. It is worrying because my injury was rifle-related, not once, but thrice. After showing him how limited my movement was, he told me to get more information.
And so I went back to my specialist[assoc prof] and told him about it. It was a straight no from him. I told him that the 2lta mo said that I can't be downgraded with the memo. The specialist read what the assistant specialist wrote, he then said that the 2lta was not following the SOP, which is to send in a formal request asking for a report.
At this point of time, the physiotherapist has taken my measurements and the specialist is informed. I can only raise that particular arm about 45deg above my shoulder and lift a weight of about 1.3kg
my questions would be:
Is my memo not strong-worded enough?
Was the 2lta right about needing more information when the specialist already recommended a downgrade?
Was the specialist right about the SOP?
Does this mean that the 2lta mo is already attached to my case and I need to specifically make an appointment to look for him in the future or can I see any mo at the medical centre?
Have I missed out any helpful information that would be good for the mo and medical board to know?Be it general or specific to my injury.Thank you very much.
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Originally posted by RGT:
Hi Dr Eac and all the Brothers out there,
First of all, I am truly grateful for this platform having been created to take our queries. I would like to reaffirm Dr Eac and friends that your efforts are not wasted!
I'm currently serving NS. Got injured in BMT with shoulder labral tear, in a few rifle related incidents, and went for my surgery after BMT. During the 1st post op review, the assistant specialist wrote me a memo. It stated the recurrent subluxations I was having, the surgery underwent and also a,very direct, downgrade recommendation. [is that strong-worded enough?]
When I went back to see the army 2lta mo, he didnt accept my specialist's memo and told me that my pes b2 status stays. From my understanding pes b2 exempts me from chin-ups only and I'm still eligible for combat. It is worrying because my injury was rifle-related, not once, but thrice. After showing him how limited my movement was, he told me to get more information.
And so I went back to my specialist[assoc prof] and told him about it. It was a straight no from him. I told him that the 2lta mo said that I can't be downgraded with the memo. The specialist read what the assistant specialist wrote, he then said that the 2lta was not following the SOP, which is to send in a formal request asking for a report.
At this point of time, the physiotherapist has taken my measurements and the specialist is informed. I can only raise that particular arm about 45deg above my shoulder and lift a weight of about 1.3kg
my questions would be:
Is my memo not strong-worded enough?
Was the 2lta right about needing more information when the specialist already recommended a downgrade?
Was the specialist right about the SOP?
Does this mean that the 2lta mo is already attached to my case and I need to specifically make an appointment to look for him in the future or can I see any mo at the medical centre?
Have I missed out any helpful information that would be good for the mo and medical board to know?Be it general or specific to my injury.
Thank you very much.
The point is this shoulder injury is like flu, fever, twisted ankle. In medical point of view, you are supposed to go for physo, then they somehow 'cure' you and you recovered as per normal before the injury.(Back to Pes B)
So you should get a home MC for like 3 months after the injury/operations. Then later excuse ALL upper limb activities (include typing) for 1 year. Then continued to excuse for another 5 years until it is recovered. Meanwhile get "cured" by physo.
Shoulder injury/dislocation is usually Pes B2 (previous C1) L1/2/3 excuse IPPT chin up. You can get perm excuse upper limb activities, heavy load and overhead limb activites (no grenades).
Tips: get referred to neurologist to see if there are any limb weakness. Usually, certain trauma may also damage the "strength" and "agility" of the limb.
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Hi,
I was recently diagnosed with patellofemoral pain syndrome by a specialist in a govt hospital.
I am currently Pes B and would like to know if based on the following condition, would I be downgraded to Pes C or still remain in Pes B? -
Originally posted by Loveboat:
Hi,
I was recently diagnosed with patellofemoral pain syndrome by a specialist in a govt hospital.
I am currently Pes B and would like to know if based on the following condition, would I be downgraded to Pes C or still remain in Pes B?Runner's knee is very common, very hard to downgrade. You might just get an excuse RMJ for 3 months and that's it. You are expected to be "cured" by physio therapy in the meantime. Cose runner's knee can be recovered, like flu and fever.
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I have just been diagnosed with Depression. Am also married. The Doc at the SAF ward told me he was going to down pes me to C9L9 and he excused me Stay in, he said I'd have to wait a few weeks for the down pes though. Does excuse stay in mean I would not have to do guard duty? Why is he so sure "He'll" down pes me. Doesn't it have to be approved by a council or is it diff case for Physcological cases?
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Originally posted by megaharry:
I have just been diagnosed with Depression. Am also married. The Doc at the SAF ward told me he was going to down pes me to C9L9 and he excused me Stay in, he said I'd have to wait a few weeks for the down pes though. Does excuse stay in mean I would not have to do guard duty? Why is he so sure "He'll" down pes me. Doesn't it have to be approved by a council or is it diff case for Physcological cases?
usually is confirmed excuse guard duty as well.
but let's say if your superior/ CSM make noise, just show them the excuse letter where you will get it a few weeks later by the medical centre. after the medical board day, just walk in to the medical centre and ask the counter medic to print one for you.since your case is clear cut, the MO just need to submit your application to the medical board for a simple approval process can already.
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Need advice.
I got a PES E. BMT is 4 weeks. Do i need to stay over at the camp during the 4weeks BMT or can go home every day?
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Originally posted by megaharry:
I have just been diagnosed with Depression. Am also married. The Doc at the SAF ward told me he was going to down pes me to C9L9 and he excused me Stay in, he said I'd have to wait a few weeks for the down pes though. Does excuse stay in mean I would not have to do guard duty? Why is he so sure "He'll" down pes me. Doesn't it have to be approved by a council or is it diff case for Physcological cases?
It has to be approved by medical board. Did he excused you from firearms and guard duty as well? I don't think any depressed people should handle firearms. -
Sorry new here, but in april this year, i went for to see the MO and after seeing my doc's letter, he told me downgrade me to E8L9. But up to now, i check my status still not updated. i ask my unit why they say the medical centre still trying to arrange for me a medical board. freaking 4 months plus already.
Now my question is what the heck is E8L9 and i have an ICT coming up. Go back and do what? Any bros can help me with this question?
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Originally posted by yddang:
Sorry new here, but in april this year, i went for to see the MO and after seeing my doc's letter, he told me downgrade me to E8L9. But up to now, i check my status still not updated. i ask my unit why they say the medical centre still trying to arrange for me a medical board. freaking 4 months plus already.
Now my question is what the heck is E8L9 and i have an ICT coming up. Go back and do what? Any bros can help me with this question?
Only got E9L9 never heard of E8L9 Army really screwed up organisation. 4 months havent approve medical board. You tell ur unit u are pending medical downpes so ICT be clerk/storeman. E9L9 only clerk and storeman. -
That's my problem too. i check everywhere and there is no such thing as E8L9. But that what the MO said to me. My unit called me and told me that they are still trying to arrange for me the medical board and the guy on the phone told me that if before my ICT still no answer, they will use my previous pes status which is C2L9. Is he crazy? i now pes E and he ask me to use my previous status? is the army trying to kill me. anyway, i give up, i going back to ICT and see MO again.
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Originally posted by yddang:
That's my problem too. i check everywhere and there is no such thing as E8L9. But that what the MO said to me. My unit called me and told me that they are still trying to arrange for me the medical board and the guy on the phone told me that if before my ICT still no answer, they will use my previous pes status which is C2L9. Is he crazy? i now pes E and he ask me to use my previous status? is the army trying to kill me. anyway, i give up, i going back to ICT and see MO again.
It is weird. C2L9 should not go for ICT at all in the first place.
L9 - Suitable for peacetime sedentary duties at bases. Sedentary means no physical activities at all. This means only clerk work is allowed. Even storemen should not be deployed with L9. At bases, means no outfield at all.
Not fit for operational duties even in Bases. Operational duties refer to ops.
What is your vocation? SAF really ask you to back camp to staple paper? You should check with SAF that they deployed you correctly in the first place.
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when i was C2L9 my unit also ask me to take part in almost all the exercise. Did everything but excused IPPT. Even go outfield for "camping" trip, range and all the "normal" stuff.
Really loved the SAF as they are doing very weird things. My buddy just change job and the CO reject his deferment. hahaha
Under SAF LAW, Pes E can still go ICT. Only Pes F don't need. But go back and do what? i will let you guys know after my ICT.
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Originally posted by yddang:
when i was C2L9 my unit also ask me to take part in almost all the exercise. Did everything but excused IPPT. Even go outfield for "camping" trip, range and all the "normal" stuff.
Really loved the SAF as they are doing very weird things. My buddy just change job and the CO reject his deferment. hahaha
Under SAF LAW, Pes E can still go ICT. Only Pes F don't need. But go back and do what? i will let you guys know after my ICT.
You should email to [email protected] to ask. If they have deployed you correctly in the first place. It sounds weird, but under the mindef directives, it is YOU who volunteered for NS. And it is not up to them to check out what you are fit to do. So your boss may not even knew that you are Pes XX so and so. His concern is how to deploy his men only for exercise.
Ask for a change in vocation.
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Need advice !!
Currenlty a nsmen at RSAF. During NS time, is having temp c9L2 for ankle problem (due to bike accident) and expiry date of temp C9 is on my ord date which is at mid - 2008 (At that time i also nv care less, was thinking just wait for them to ask me go for medical review den say). And all the way from then till now, there is no scheduled for medical review and also ask me to take ippt at all but i already went for 3times of ICT already.
Suddenly last week receive sms from mindef asking me to go for medical review end of this month at my base. Already book appointment with specialist for review of my ankle problem. Need advice on will there be any issue of me go back to MO and gave him another memo from specialist since is so long ago already and will they review my PES again ??
THanks for the advice.
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Originally posted by Jericlo:
Need advice !!
Currenlty a nsmen at RSAF. During NS time, is having temp c9L2 for ankle problem (due to bike accident) and expiry date of temp C9 is on my ord date which is at mid - 2008 (At that time i also nv care less, was thinking just wait for them to ask me go for medical review den say). And all the way from then till now, there is no scheduled for medical review and also ask me to take ippt at all but i already went for 3times of ICT already.
Suddenly last week receive sms from mindef asking me to go for medical review end of this month at my base. Already book appointment with specialist for review of my ankle problem. Need advice on will there be any issue of me go back to MO and gave him another memo from specialist since is so long ago already and will they review my PES again ??
THanks for the advice.
As long as you have specialist memo, they will review your case. If haven't recover then perm PES. You should get a memo fast and give to the MO in camp during your medical appointment with him. -
Hi, I am a singaporean currently studying in an overseas boarding school. I have done my medical check up and will be back by mid november to begins my national service. I have so far been graded as B1L1 and was wondering if it was possible to be upgraded to PES A. I figured that since I am quite into sports and having to spend 2 years in the army, I might as well make the most out of it and aspire to be placed in a physically demanding vocation.
I figured I was put into B1L1 either because I'm classified as 'mildly obese' (170cm, 75-80kg) or because of my eyesight (3.75, 3.25). Could anyone clarify why I was classed as B1L1 and if it is possible for me to be upgraded to PES A? I would also like to know if it was possible to enter OCS being B1L1. Thanks
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Originally posted by madfreakz:
Hi, I am a singaporean currently studying in an overseas boarding school. I have done my medical check up and will be back by mid november to begins my national service. I have so far been graded as B1L1 and was wondering if it was possible to be upgraded to PES A. I figured that since I am quite into sports and having to spend 2 years in the army, I might as well make the most out of it and aspire to be placed in a physically demanding vocation.
I figured I was put into B1L1 either because I'm classified as 'mildly obese' (170cm, 75-80kg) or because of my eyesight (3.75, 3.25). Could anyone clarify why I was classed as B1L1 and if it is possible for me to be upgraded to PES A? I would also like to know if it was possible to enter OCS being B1L1. Thanks
Source:
www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/atozlistings/army/About_BMT/Types_of_BMT_Training.htmlPES A/B1 BMT
This 9-week programme trains combat-fit recruits in the basic military skills to prepare them for advanced vocational training. The programme includes weapon training with the SAR 21 rifle which will teach recruits technical handling and marksmanship skills; a Battle Inoculation Course that simulates a real battlefield; a Field Camp which develops basic survival skills; progressive training to complete a 24-km route march which builds combat fitness and endurance; and hand grenade training.
For those who fail to achieve the NAPFA test silver award, they are required to undergo an 8-week Physical Training Phase prior to the Pes A/B1 BMT.More information: iprep.ns.sg , www.ns.sg
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Thank, I've already read that. But I still do not understand the difference between A and B1L1. Do I still qualify for OCS and other vocations if I'm classified as B1L1?
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Originally posted by madfreakz:
Thank, I've already read that. But I still do not understand the difference between A and B1L1. Do I still qualify for OCS and other vocations if I'm classified as B1L1?
in short, PES A & B are eligible for command schools (OCS/ SCS), provided if selected and recommended by the BMT officer-in-charge.
generally speaking, both PES A and B are no difference at all.
PES is medically fit; physically fit is another thing altogether.
so train up, lose weight, trim up.
PES A (L1) = Fit for all combat vocations. (Full BMT)
PES B (L1) = Fit for most combat vocations. (Full BMT) -
Originally posted by Rednano:
in short, PES A & B are eligible for command schools (OCS/ SCS), provided if selected and recommended by the BMT officer-in-charge.
generally speaking, both PES A and B are no difference at all.
PES is medically fit; physically fit is another thing altogether.
so train up, lose weight, trim up.PES A (L1) = Fit for all combat vocations. (Full BMT)
PES B (L1) = Fit for most combat vocations. (Full BMT)
Service length: Those who pass IPPT used to get 2 month discount. Is it still the case?During the 2 months, PTP used to be 6 weeks long and recruits got 2 weeks disruption. Still the case?
Do PTP recruits (17 weeks total) serve shorter than obese recruits?
I know PES E serve a total of 2 years.
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Originally posted by alize:
Service length: Those who pass IPPT used to get 2 month discount. Is it still the case?During the 2 months, PTP used to be 6 weeks long and recruits got 2 weeks disruption. Still the case?
Do PTP recruits (17 weeks total) serve shorter than obese recruits?
I know PES E serve a total of 2 years.
only PES A and B are eligible for the 2 months fitness cut to serve only 22 months instead of 24 months of NS, provided if they get silver/ gold in the NAPFA physical fitness test before enlistment day.
PES B2/ C/ E will have to serve 24 months.
the rest of what you asked, i don't know already, because I ORD years ago already... -
1) One question is whether a PES B2 (liable for IPPT) can get discount if he passes, since if he fails there is no PTP for him. 2) PTP get 17 weeks BMT and obese get 19 weeks BMT- another question is whether PTP get a 2 week discount or if their service is still 2 years in total. Eg I was a PTP. I enlisted 2 months earlier but since PTP was 6 weeks, I got 2 weeks disruption between my PTP and BMT. 3) PES C and E are treated the same- 2 years total regardless of length of BMT.
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I was initially enlisted with a PES of E9L9 Temp 6 months.
And I managed to siam the review till this week (17 months after enlistment and the start of my PES E9L9), when my S1 sent a mail to my direct superior, asking them to make sure I go for my review.
So no choice, I went for review with my already-prepared doc's memo. Then the MO was quite friendly, chatted with me, then read his bible, then entered "MBIA PES E1L9 PERM blah blah blah" into the system and then got me to sign the MB form.
Here are my questions:
1. When is the MB conducted every month?
2. Usually will the MB approve the PES recommended by the MO for most of time?
3. Since I am technically up-pes-ed from E9 to E1, will there be any difference? I'm assuming since both are E, there are no difference since I'm an ASA.