Originally posted by M@nvvhore:thanks Rednano - call me lazy but I don't really want to skim through 51 pages.
Anyway, does physical and aptitude come into consideration? and can be mild/ or childhood asthma?
very well then, remain lazy then...
hi all,
is narcolepsy downgradable? if yes, usually PES what in SAF? thanks.
Originally posted by juventusfc27:hi all,
is narcolepsy downgradable? if yes, usually PES what in SAF? thanks.
got hospital specialist memo to certify, got talk...
if so, confirmed minimum PES C, maximum PES E.
so please go get that hospital specialist memo as written proof in black and white.
I am a Poly Year 2 student and have been diagnose with red green colour deficiency and found to have scioliosis in secondary school. Is this conditions still within the PES B range?
Originally posted by choojx:I am a Poly Year 2 student and have been diagnose with red green colour deficiency and found to have scioliosis in secondary school. Is this conditions still within the PES B range?
Still pes B.
Hi, will appreciate if anyone could advise or if you had gone through it.
I was a PES A Nsf in an Infantry unit. Currently, I had served 3 ICTs and the upcoming 4th is in December. In April, I was downgraded permanently to PES C9L9. I have been calling up NS.sg and all advises me to report to my unit and it’s up to their discretion if I would be re-vocationalise. Last that I checked with my unit, my vocation is still an Infantry soldier.
So my unit has the discretion to remain me as combat ready and I will continue to be an Infantry soldier even when I am downgraded to C9L9? Isn’t this ridiculous?
Originally posted by haywir:Hi, will appreciate if anyone could advise or if you had gone through it.
I was a PES A Nsf in an Infantry unit. Currently, I had served 3 ICTs and the upcoming 4th is in December. In April, I was downgraded permanently to PES C9L9. I have been calling up NS.sg and all advises me to report to my unit and it’s up to their discretion if I would be re-vocationalise. Last that I checked with my unit, my vocation is still an Infantry soldier.
So my unit has the discretion to remain me as combat ready and I will continue to be an Infantry soldier even when I am downgraded to C9L9? Isn’t this ridiculous?
C9L9 is a non-combat fit PES grade:
C9: All servicemen not required to take
IPPT.
L9: Able to bear firearms and protect themselves, others and
property. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations in Main
Support Area, and/or Combat Service Support vocations of Brigade HQ
and above.
1) Send/ call [email protected]/ 1800-3676767 to lodge an official report/ appeal/ complaint. Each official email sent to them has a case ID reference number.
2) In-pro for ICT as per normal. On 1st day, immediately report sick with your C9L9 medical certificate to get Att B (Fit for Light Duties) or other excuses first. Next, find S1 Manpower Officer/ Chief Clerk to settle this as re-vocation is an administrative matter.
Originally posted by haywir:Hi, will appreciate if anyone could advise or if you had gone through it.
I was a PES A Nsf in an Infantry unit. Currently, I had served 3 ICTs and the upcoming 4th is in December. In April, I was downgraded permanently to PES C9L9. I have been calling up NS.sg and all advises me to report to my unit and it’s up to their discretion if I would be re-vocationalise. Last that I checked with my unit, my vocation is still an Infantry soldier.
So my unit has the discretion to remain me as combat ready and I will continue to be an Infantry soldier even when I am downgraded to C9L9? Isn’t this ridiculous?
there is a reason why they never revocationalise you... Cos once they revocationalise you, they will have to find some vocation suitable for you and maybe have to send you on course (eg CQ course etc). so as to fit you into that new vocation and they might have to transfer you out.... and for those reservist, do you think you are willing to attend these course which may last one or two month?
So for the higher command, they will just simply retain you as the same vocation/unit, but since you are C9L9, you will be excuse from the major exercise etc.... So when your buddies go chiong sua or live firing, you will most likely be sitting inside the office helping to do some paper work or helping out somewhere else, or helping in some admin job at range/live firing area etc... Just go back to ICT and tell your officers that you are now C9L9 and you will be excused from those training... So basically just idle in the camp or helping out in some admin job.. So even if you are still infantry soldier, you will not be joining the training etc...
One of my platoon mates got Downgraded to Pes E perm (from Pes B) and he also never get revocationalised. He still report for the ICT but since he is Pes E, he is only helping in the admin job in the office most of the time... When we go for training, he sit inside office surf net, read newspaper etc... and everyday he got to go home...
Thank you, EAC. I figure I will do that, definitely going to in-pro for the ICT, report to my platoon as usual, then join them in the usual infantry road march. Once it's settled down, I will look for my S1.
I am betting that they will remain me as the same. That's the way my PC and unit functions. I am a 3rd sgt btw.
One issue puzzles me, I have read on C9L9 being a non-combact fit PES. However, why is a non-combat still able to bear arms and be deployed outfield? Isn't this a discrepency?
Originally posted by haywir:Thank you, EAC. I figure I will do that, definitely going to in-pro for the ICT, report to my platoon as usual, then join them in the usual infantry road march. Once it's settled down, I will look for my S1.
I am betting that they will remain me as the same. That's the way my PC and unit functions. I am a 3rd sgt btw.
One issue puzzles me, I have read on C9L9 being a non-combact fit PES. However, why is a non-combat still able to bear arms and be deployed outfield? Isn't this a discrepency?
A rifle-trained/ weapon-trained military personnel will still be able to bear arms for self-protection and self-defence in backend/ rear areas such as base camps and HQs. Since you can't fight in the frontline, the least you can do is to play a supporting role.
I am a NSMan with PES status C9L3. Unit expects "no one to be excused" from field training like section movement (even though we don't run) and some POI training.
I just need to know if the training is in line with any SAF directives or regulations for supposely non combat PES.
Originally posted by off_service:I am a NSMan with PES status C9L3. Unit expects "no one to be excused" from field training like section movement (even though we don't run) and some POI training.
I just need to know if the training is in line with any SAF directives or regulations for supposely non combat PES.
Source: Page 1 @ http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/395004
L3 – Able to bear firearms and operate in a field
environment. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations of
Brigade HQ and above, and/or Combat Service Support vocations at
all echelons.
Hi, will appreciate it if anyone can help me with this.
I am a final year poly student and i have been diagnosed with scoliosis when i was still in secondary school. So with my medical check up date coming nearer, i decided to go back to the hospital for another visit and have some new x-rays taken to see if there were any changes to my spine.
1) The specialist gave me a letter stating that i had three scoliotic curves with a total Cobb Value of 33 degrees, is that serious and if so any idea what pes status will i be?
2) Also, he also stated in the letter, recommending that i be downgraded and excused from strenous activities (eg. lifting heavy objects) as well as IPPT. How high are the chances of the doctor from the army agreeing with him?
piles can have any excuse?
Originally posted by haywir:Hi, will appreciate if anyone could advise or if you had gone through it.
I was a PES A Nsf in an Infantry unit. Currently, I had served 3 ICTs and the upcoming 4th is in December. In April, I was downgraded permanently to PES C9L9. I have been calling up NS.sg and all advises me to report to my unit and it’s up to their discretion if I would be re-vocationalise. Last that I checked with my unit, my vocation is still an Infantry soldier.
So my unit has the discretion to remain me as combat ready and I will continue to be an Infantry soldier even when I am downgraded to C9L9? Isn’t this ridiculous?
What is your exact vocation? There are many vocations of infantry.
Originally posted by haywir:Hi, will appreciate if anyone could advise or if you had gone through it.
I was a PES A Nsf in an Infantry unit. Currently, I had served 3 ICTs and the upcoming 4th is in December. In April, I was downgraded permanently to PES C9L9. I have been calling up NS.sg and all advises me to report to my unit and it’s up to their discretion if I would be re-vocationalise. Last that I checked with my unit, my vocation is still an Infantry soldier.
So my unit has the discretion to remain me as combat ready and I will continue to be an Infantry soldier even when I am downgraded to C9L9? Isn’t this ridiculous?
This is because PES only applies in peace time. It is suspended in war and you will be a fighting soldier.
If they post you out, they must find another man to balance the books, if they keep you the books are already balanced.
Originally posted by alize:This is because PES only applies in peace time. It is suspended in war and you will be a fighting soldier.
If they post you out, they must find another man to balance the books, if they keep you the books are already balanced.
In the other Pes FAQ thread, L9 refer to Suitable for peacetime sedentary duties at Bases. Not fit for operational duties even in Bases.
In fact, most C9L9 personnel dont even have a NS unit and vocation to tag along with.
Originally posted by Lokey:In the other Pes FAQ thread, L9 refer to Suitable for peacetime sedentary duties at Bases. Not fit for operational duties even in Bases.
In fact, most C9L9 personnel dont even have a NS unit and vocation to tag along with.
L9- Able to bear firearms and protect themselves, others and property. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations in Main Support Area, and/or Combat Service Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above.
Firstly, "Brigade HQ" is not a building in camp, it is a military concept. It may be a mobile forward command post, furthermore an entire town or location hosting a Brigade CP is called a Brigade HQ. A Main Support Area is of similar geographical scope.
It is (supposedly) further rearwards, safer and moves less often than a Battalion HQ. L9s can be put on guard there and have no less chance of getting into firefights there in modern war.
Secondly, a PES B is worth more than an L9 in war. It's fair for L9s to stand guard and let infantry rest.
Thirdly, this is not a casualty-sensitive country. There is no need to minimize L9 deaths, since the people are stupid enough to be bluffed to accept anything up the rear end.
Originally posted by Alexanderanand1909:I had a surgery in May for a torn shoulder ligament, followed by a surgery for a broken big toe on my left foot and i just did a spinal fusion surgery on my L5-S1. I was wondering if it would be possible to downpes until PES F
Supported with hospital specialist memos, it's only within a minimum of PES C to a maximum of E range.
Hi Guys
I have been been given a memo by my specialist which states that i have flexible (dunno wat is this word as i cant see clearly) pes planus. And he recommeded a downgrade of pes status for me. I have shown my mo this memo and he has given me a form for me to fill up and sign.
Please advise me wat will my pes status be and will it be a perm down pes or a temp one.
Cheers
Hey there.
Currently am B1 L1 and enlisting in March.
Just wanna ask a few questions and get an opinion. I've been diagnosed with severe pes planus since young and have always had problems with running, walking and standing for extended periods of time.
Even got insoles made but ankles and knees still hurt when I run too much.
Being the genius I am I forgot to get doctor's letter and submit during first medical hence my current pes due to other conditions.
What do pes do you think I will get after I submit the letter during my pes review? Or will I just be excused from RMJ?
Please and thank you. Your opinions are appreciated!
Originally posted by nicky2520:Hey there.
Currently am B1 L1 and enlisting in March.
Just wanna ask a few questions and get an opinion. I've been diagnosed with severe pes planus since young and have always had problems with running, walking and standing for extended periods of time.
Even got insoles made but ankles and knees still hurt when I run too much.
Being the genius I am I forgot to get doctor's letter and submit during first medical hence my current pes due to other conditions.
What do pes do you think I will get after I submit the letter during my pes review? Or will I just be excused from RMJ?
Please and thank you. Your opinions are appreciated!
Once a Pes status has been given, it is very hard to change. The adminstration involved is alot.The specialist's letter must be within 3 years in order to be valid.BUT, it will be your fault if you dont submit the medical information to them. So you must submit, depsite, there may be no change to your status.
Most likely, the MO will just let you make the insole for free. And that's it. Unless, you have shown REAL damage in the ankles and knees (such as worn off, and tear).
It is not like in the past, NSF with flat fleet is given pes C. Now, they let you make the insole first means that you are "cured."
Originally posted by Lokey:Once a Pes status has been given, it is very hard to change. The adminstration involved is alot.The specialist's letter must be within 3 years in order to be valid.BUT, it will be your fault if you dont submit the medical information to them. So you must submit, depsite, there may be no change to your status.
Most likely, the MO will just let you make the insole for free. And that's it. Unless, you have shown REAL damage in the ankles and knees (such as worn off, and tear).
It is not like in the past, NSF with flat fleet is given pes C. Now, they let you make the insole first means that you are "cured."
Thank you for your opinion. But like I said above I do already have insoles made which are recent but they do not help. So wouldn't that be kinda redundant making new ones?
I am going to get a more recent letter before I go back to CMPB. Not expecting pes C but maybe B2 with excuse from certain things.
Originally posted by nicky2520:Thank you for your opinion. But like I said above I do already have insoles made which are recent but they do not help. So wouldn't that be kinda redundant making new ones?
I am going to get a more recent letter before I go back to CMPB. Not expecting pes C but maybe B2 with excuse from certain things.
The insoles are for boots are harder.