PES FAQs
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Nsman here. Not sure if this is the correct place to ask this. If I have received a letter from the medical centre of my perm downgrade, am I supposed to inform my NS unit of the updated status?
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No need. Usually the medical centre will also CC the namelist to each respective NS unit for reference as well.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
FYI, PES is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PULHHEEMS.
1) Go to Public Hospital / Private Specialist.Note: You will be classified as a subsidised patient if your first visit is via:
- Referral letter from a Government Restructured Hospital under subsidised status, A&E, Polyclinic or SAF, without specifying a specialist by name.
- Discharge from inpatient class B2 or C without specifying a specialist by name.
2) Consult specialist, and do whatever medical check ups required. E.g. physical exam, blood test, x-ray, CT scan, MRI scan.3) Specialist gave a finalised clinical diagnosis.
4) Get the specialist to write you a memo which is to be given to SAF MO. Those who can and are willing to spend some more money can get him/her to write you a specialist report, which is more precise and detailed.
Note: For not to waste time and money, please be more direct yet humble. Request the specialist to write aboutreviewing of PES and medical board / anything specific such as any excuses to your conditions.5) Book an medical review appointment using theeHealth module @ www.ns.sg (for NSman Reservists).
Just go down to your camp medical centre (for NSFs).
Call CMPB @ 6373 1340 to request another PES review(for Pre-Enlistees after CMPB Checkup).6) Make a trip down to the respective unit camp medical centre. Give the MO whatever supporting documents you have in hand. E.g. Specialist memo/report (most usually the case and highly recommended), x-ray films, CT/MRI scan report, blood investigation lab report... etc.
7) MO will decide whether you are deemed eligible for KIV downgrade, according to the criterias set in the "PES Bible" directive. E.g. Diagnosis, Extent of Diagnosis, Degree of Diagnosis/Injury/Illness/Disease...etc.
8) If deemed so, you will sign an acknowledgement notice of Medical Board, whereby your case statement is prepared for review discussion at the monthly medical board meet (usually at the Formation/Division HQ) with another NSF CPT MO and the Chairman (SAF Regular Medical Doctor of MAJOR rank or above). Your Medical Board result will be post mailed to you by your respective NSHRC (Formation NS Hub).
Time and time again, the questions for Medical Review (Downgrade) is repetitive. Therefore, this serves as a general SOP for Medical Board.
Extract from www.mindef.gov.sg/nsmen:
NSmen must update their NS HRCs if they should develop any new medical condition or if their existing medical condition has worsened which might affect their ability to perform their duties during ICT. Arrangements will then be made for them to attend a medical review at the SAF medical centre to assess their fitness for NS.
The NSmen MUST bring along all investigation results and memorandums from his external physician/specialist during the medical review. Depending on the outcome of the medical review, the NSman may be given a medical certificate to defer him from ICT, be scheduled for a medical board to downgrade him if his medical condition is significant, or referred to a restructured hospital for further investigation. In the event that the medical officer determines that the NSman’s medical condition will not affect his ability to participate in the ICT, he will allow the NSman to attend the ICT. -
Hi eac,
I called the MCC hotline and asked them how long would it take for me to consult their inhouse pyschiatrist since my report has been read by them on the 14th of Aug. However, their answers were unconving and they told me that the earliest apptment is in late Oct (cant speed up). As far as i know, the last enlistment to tekong for norm Pes is first week of Nov. :/ If i were to wait, i doubt i'll be able to enlist in time during Nov.
Would it be possible if i get a memo from the pyschiatrist at IMH stating that I'm ok to be enlisted this year even though im still on medication and request for a temp PES from the MO so that i can be enlisted this year?
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Well, you can try since there is no harm trying.
However, please note that there is no guarantee.Next, please personally go to CMPB after that to expedite the process straight on the spot. The customer service officers are usually able to give you more assistance since you are already physically there in person on the spot. If you want, you may ask one of your parents to accompany you to handle the situation aiding to your advantage.
Central Manpower Base (CMPB)
3 Depot Road Singapore 109680
Mondays to Fridays 0900 hours to 1700 hours
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Hi eac,
I'll probably do that. However, based on your experience, do you think the MO is able to give a grading on the spot based on the memo and the previous report?
Cause if i were to wait for the end october appointment, i seriously doubt i'll be able to enlist in the first week of November at all.
Thanks.
Regards,
Aloysius
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For clear-cut medical conditions with a finalised clinical diagnosis, the MO is able to give you a PES on the spot, based on the criterias set in the "PES Bible" directive. E.g. Diagnosis, Extent of Diagnosis, Degree of Diagnosis/Injury/Illness/Disease...etc.
However if the medical conditions are complicated, then a Medical Board meet is to be convened. Medical Board, whereby your case statement is prepared for review discussion at the monthly medical board meet (usually at the Formation/Division HQ) with another NSF CPT MO and the Chairman (SAF Regular Medical Doctor of MAJOR rank or above).
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What if the condition is regarded as complicated (like anxiety problem) but my condition has improved a lot already? Since i'm eating the medicines regularly and have counselling once every 2 weeks. It still requires the medical board?
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It will have to depend on the attending MO's prerogative.As mentioned above, if you want, you may ask one of your parents to accompany you to handle the situation aiding to your advantage.
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Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
Yes, and also with a parent in your situation.Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
My parent will be able to go in with me to see the MO, or it has to be individually?
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Well, you can if you want to. -
Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
FYI, PES is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PULHHEEMS.
1) Go to Public Hospital / Private Specialist.Note: You will be classified as a subsidised patient if your first visit is via:
- Referral letter from a Government Restructured Hospital under subsidised status, A&E, Polyclinic or SAF, without specifying a specialist by name.
- Discharge from inpatient class B2 or C without
specifying a specialist by
name.
2) Consult specialist, and do whatever medical check ups required. E.g. physical exam, blood test, x-ray, CT scan, MRI scan.3) Specialist gave a finalised clinical diagnosis.
4) Get the specialist to write you a memo which is to be given to SAF MO. Those who can and are willing to spend some more money can get him/her to write you a specialist report, which is more precise and detailed.
Note: For not to waste time and money, please be more direct yet humble. Request the specialist to write about reviewing of PES and medical board / anything specific such as any excuses to your conditions.5) Book an medical review appointment using the eHealth module @ www.ns.sg (for NSman Reservists).
Just go down to your camp medical centre (for NSFs).
Call CMPB @ 6373 1340 to request another PES review (for Pre-Enlistees after CMPB Checkup).6) Make a trip down to the respective unit camp medical centre. Give the MO whatever supporting documents you have in hand. E.g. Specialist memo/report (most usually the case and highly recommended), x-ray films, CT/MRI scan report, blood investigation lab report... etc.
7) MO will decide whether you are deemed eligible for KIV downgrade, according to the criterias set in the "PES Bible" directive. E.g. Diagnosis, Extent of Diagnosis, Degree of Diagnosis/Injury/Illness/Disease...etc.
8) If deemed so, you will sign an acknowledgement notice of Medical Board, whereby your case statement is prepared for review discussion at the monthly medical board meet (usually at the Formation/Division HQ) with another NSF CPT MO and the Chairman (SAF Regular Medical Doctor of MAJOR rank or above). Your Medical Board result will be post mailed to you by your respective NSHRC (Formation NS Hub).
Time and time again, the questions for Medical Review (Downgrade) is repetitive. Therefore, this serves as a general SOP for Medical Board.
Extract from www.mindef.gov.sg/nsmen:
NSmen must update their NS HRCs if they should develop any new medical condition or if their existing medical condition has worsened which might affect their ability to perform their duties during ICT. Arrangements will then be made for them to attend a medical review at the SAF medical centre to assess their fitness for NS.
The NSmen MUST bring along all investigation results and memorandums from his external physician/specialist during the medical review. Depending on the outcome of the medical review, the NSman may be given a medical certificate to defer him from ICT, be scheduled for a medical board to downgrade him if his medical condition is significant, or referred to a restructured hospital for further investigation. In the event that the medical officer determines that the NSman’s medical condition will not affect his ability to participate in the ICT, he will allow the NSman to attend the ICT. -
Refer:
www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/topics/ranks/index.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Armed_Forces_ranks
Prepare for PTP/BMT: http://iprep.ns.sg/
Secrets to Pass IPPT: http://lifestyle.www.ns.sg/features/fitnessxchange
Source: www.ns.sg , www.army.gov.sg , www.mindef.gov.sg
Source:
www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/atozlistings/army/About_BMT.html
Types of Basic Military Training
PES A/B1 BMT
This 9-week programme trains combat-fit recruits in the basic military skills to prepare them for advanced vocational training. The programme includes weapon training with the SAR 21 rifle which will teach recruits technical handling and marksmanship skills; a Battle Inoculation Course that simulates a real battlefield; a Field Camp which develops basic survival skills; progressive training to complete a 24-km route march which builds combat fitness and endurance; and hand grenade training.
For those who fail to achieve the NAPFA test silver award, they are required to undergo an 8-week Physical Training Phase (PTP) prior to the PES A/B1 BMT.
PES BP BMT
As evidence has shown that obese recruits are able to achieve optimum fitness levels and weight loss in about 19 weeks, the new BMT programme for recruits with Body Mass Index (BMI) scores exceeding 27.0 will be 19 weeks. This BMT programme is designed to help obese recruits improve their physical fitness progressively while equipping them with basic soldiering skills and knowledge.
PES B2 BMT
Enlistees who were PES C1 previously underwent a 7-week BMT programme. The new 9-week PES B2 BMT programme will be conducted for recruits who are medically fit for deployment in selected combat and combat support vocations, such as signal operators, combat medics and naval system operators. These recruits will be given a new medical classification of PES B2, in place of the existing PES C1 classification. This is to ensure that the medical classification of our soldiers is consistent with their deployment. The new 9-week programme will include customised physical training, as well as basic combat training to prepare them for their combat and combat support roles.
PES C BMT
The 9-week BMT programme will be conducted for PES C recruits. This programme will include light physical training and vocational training to prepare them for combat service support vocations, such as service medic, and those related to logistics and administration.
PES E BMT
The 4-week BMT programme will be conducted for PES E recruits. This programme will focus on, vocational training as well as National Education, SAF core values, regimentation and discipline to prepare recruits for combat service support vocations. -
Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/392446 -
Hi eac,
CMpb has reverted to me that my report from IMH has been sent to another specialist clinic for review by another doctor despite the all clear sign being given from IMH. has been 2 weeks since but there is still no news. All they told me is that the hospital is an saf hospital which is not for the public. :/ Should i just continue waiting or what else can i do?
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Military Medicine Institute
The Military Medicine Institute (MMI) was established in March 1998 to provide Specialist Medical and Dental services to the SAF personnel. In 1999, Medical Board Centre and SAF Ward came under the umbrella of MMI. In Dec 2003, Military Medicine Institute, together with Tanglin Physiotherapy Centre, relocated to DSO(Kent Ridge) Building.Blk 27 Medical Drive, DSO Building
Lower Kent Ridge Road
Singapore 117510Our Vision
To be the Centre of Excellence in Clinical Military Medicine.
Our Mission
To ensure efficient sustenance of SAF fighting strength through delivery of quality healthcare in areas of Specialist Medical and Dental Care, Medical Grading, and In-Patient Care.
Our Roles
Through the provision of specialised medical/dental services and in-patient care, MMI serves the SAF by optimising the treatment and recovery of servicemen with significant medical problems. This will translate to operational readiness of the SAF units as well as improved well-being of the individuals in the SAF.
Timely medical grading of servicemen allows personnel to be deployed effectively in service while minimising impact on operational readiness and personal health.Services available:
- Cardiopulmonary Lab
- Deployment Medicine
- Dermatology
- Ear, Nose and Throat
- Internal Medicine
- Medical Grading
- Occupational Medicine
- Orthopaedics
- Ophthalmology
- Psychological Care
- Specialist Dental Centre
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Officially unveiled on 11 Jun 2004, the SAF Military Medicine Institute (MMI) in the new DSO (Kent Ridge) Building aims to provide specialised health care and medical grading for servicemen. Billed as the Centre of Excellence in clinical military medicine, MMI promises professional treatment and quality service to sustain the fighting strength of the SAF.
The conceptualisation of MMI started in 1995, with the Ministry of Health (MOH) and MINDEF seeking closer collaboration. The idea was to locate this facility together with a hospital to maximise expertise and resources.
The SAF also recognised the need to provide secondary level medical care tailored to military vocation.
"It was conceptualised this way, but obviously it couldn't start big at that time, so we started on a smaller scale at different locations," recalled Deputy Commander MMI, LTC (Dr) Fan Swee Weng.
In the early days, the various clinics and services were operated from three different locations: Loewen Road Camp, Depot Road Camp and Alexandra Hospital.
Last December, all these clinics and offices came under one roof at the DSO (Kent Ridge) Building - with the exception of in-patient care for psychiatric patients, which remains at Alexandra Hospital.
"It was a great opportunity to maximise all our resources and put together all these capabilities to harness and maximise what each of these services can provide," LTC (Dr) Fan (left) enthused.
MMI, a sub-unit of Headquarters, SAF Medical Corps (HQMC), is responsible for the provision of pre-deployment medical services, musculo skeletal injury care, psychological, trauma and stress support, visual care and performance enhancement, as well as cardio-pulmonary assessment. -
Please call the 24/7 round-the-clock NS hotline at 1800-3676767 to speak to a customer service officer directly to do the official tracing. -
@eac
will do that. if they are not willing to divulge the hospital of the report being sent to, there's nothing else i can do? cause without that information i cant expedite the process at all...
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Please call the 24/7 NS hotline at 1800-3676767 to speak to a customer service officer.
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Source: http://iprep.ns.sg/
Enlistment schedule
Pre-enlistees will be required to complete pre-enlistment procedures and medical screening before they are scheduled for enlistment.
They will be scheduled for enlistment into the respective enlistment intakes based on numerous considerations such as the medical & physical fitness and educational qualifications of the individual, as well as the manpower and operational requirements of the various intakes.
In general, pre-enlistees from the same 'A' level/International Baccalaureate (IB) or polytechnic cohort are enlisted over two intakes due to capacity constraints at the NS training schools. For example, 'A' level/ IB holders who graduate in Nov/Dec are typically enlisted in the Dec and Mar quarterly intakes. Polytechnic diploma holders who graduate in Mar/Apr are typically enlisted in the Jun and Sep quarterly intakes. ITE certificate holders and pre-enlistees with other qualifications are enlisted throughout the year.
Pre-enlistees can only be assigned to an enlistment intake after being certified medically fit for enlistment at the pre-enlistment medical screening. Pre-enlistees will receive Enlistment Notices to notify them of their enlistment date about 2 months before their scheduled enlistment.
Post-BMT Training
After completing their BMT, servicemen who have performed well and are assessed to possess leadership qualitites will be sent to either Officer Cadet School (OCS) or Specialist Cadet School (SCS) to be trained as commanders.
Find out more:
Officer Cadet School (OCS)
Specialist Cadet School (SCS) -
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