PES FAQs
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FYI, PES is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PULHHEEMS.
1) Go to Public Hospital / Private Specialist.Note: You will be classified as a subsidised patient if your first visit is via:
- Referral letter from a Government Restructured Hospital under subsidised status, A&E, Polyclinic or SAF, without specifying a specialist by name.
- Discharge from inpatient class B2 or C without
specifying a specialist by
name.
2) Consult specialist, and do whatever medical check ups required. E.g. physical exam, blood test, x-ray, CT scan, MRI scan.3) Specialist gave a finalised clinical diagnosis.
4) Get the specialist to write you a memo which is to be given to SAF MO. Those who can and are willing to spend some more money can get him/her to write you a specialist report, which is more precise and detailed.
Note: For not to waste time and money, please be more direct yet humble. Request the specialist to write about reviewing of PES and medical board / anything specific such as any excuses to your conditions.5) Book an medical review appointment using the eHealth module @ www.ns.sg (for NSman Reservists).
Just go down to your camp medical centre (for NSFs).
Call CMPB @ 6373 1340 to request another PES review (for Pre-Enlistees after CMPB Checkup).6) Make a trip down to the respective unit camp medical centre. Give the MO whatever supporting documents you have in hand. E.g. Specialist memo/report (most usually the case and highly recommended), x-ray films, CT/MRI scan report, blood investigation lab report... etc.
7) MO will decide whether you are deemed eligible for KIV downgrade, according to the criterias set in the "PES Bible" directive. E.g. Diagnosis, Extent of Diagnosis, Degree of Diagnosis/Injury/Illness/Disease...etc.
8) If deemed so, you will sign an acknowledgement notice of Medical Board, whereby your case statement is prepared for review discussion at the monthly medical board meet (usually at the Formation/Division HQ) with another NSF CPT MO and the Chairman (SAF Regular Medical Doctor of MAJOR rank or above). Your Medical Board result will be post mailed to you by your respective NSHRC (Formation NS Hub).
Time and time again, the questions for Medical Review (Downgrade) is repetitive. Therefore, this serves as a general SOP for Medical Board.
Extract from www.mindef.gov.sg/nsmen:
It is crucial that you update your NS HRCs if you develop a new medical condition or if an existing medical condition has worsened, which may affect your ICT performance. This is so that arrangements will be made for you to attend a medical review at the SAF medical centre to assess your fitness condition for NS.
You MUST bring along all your investigation results and memorandums from your external physician or specialist during your medical review. You may be given a medical certificate for ICT deferment, be scheduled for a medical board to downgrade you if your medical condition is significant, or be referred to a restructured hospital for further examination depending on the outcome of your medical review.
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Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
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Hi Guys,
No idea if this topic is still active but I'm in search of an answer since forever and hope that you guys could help answer my burning queries.
(Please offer constructive suggestion)-I have always wanted to become an RSAF pilot
-Passed my COMPASS test & awaiting for Aeromedical testThe thing is that i had minor depression in my teenage tears and went to see a doctor about it. I had since recovered and been discharged within the period of 4 months since diagnosis.
so....my question is
1) would i be required to declare my past
2) will that affect my chance of being a RSAF pilot in the future?
3) If i am required to declare, would an official letter of discharge from the doctor help at all?Thank you guys so much for your help!
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To be covered under any employer's employment group insurance, a typical job application form will have a 'Declaration' section at the end of the form just before your signature, which usually read,
"Have you been or are you suffering from any medical condition/ disease/ illness/ major medical condition/ mental disorder or physical impairment?"
"Yes/ No"
"If your answer to any of the above is yes, please give details in the space provided."
I declare that all information given herein are true and correct. I understand that a misrepresentation or omission of facts will be sufficient cause for cancellation of consideration for employment or dismissal from the Company’s service if I have been employed.
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Medical Classification Centre
Location and Operating Hours
Our Address
MCC is located at Level 1, CMPB Podium.
Central Manpower Base (CMPB)
3 Depot Road
Singapore 109680
Our Operating Hours
Mondays - Fridays: 8:00 am to 5:00 pm
Saturdays, Sundays and Public Holidays: Closed
Pre-enlistment Medical Screening
Prior to enlistment, all pre-enlistees have to undergo a thorough medical examination at the Medical Classification Centre (MCC) within the Central Manpower Base (CMPB). This examination allows the medical fitness of a pre-enlistee to be assessed and this subsequently determines his Physical Employment Status (PES).
Medical Screening Appointment Preparations
As part of the e-documentation, you are also required to select your preferred medical appointment date as well as to complete the medical questionnaire (e7F). You will need to go through the medical questionnaire form with your parents / guardian so that useful medical information about you is captured.
To ensure that your medical experience with us is pleasant and that the overall screening process is not unnecessarily delayed, we have compiled a checklist for you:
- Print out a copy of the medical questionnaire (e7F) and ensure that your parent / guardian and yousign on the printed document. Bring the e7F on the day of your medical appointment at MCC.
- Avoid wearing contact lenses. Wear your spectacles as you will be required to undergo eye checks.
- Wear loose fitting clothes (e.g. shorts) to facilitate physical examination.
- Bring along any medical documents to support your existing medical condition (if any).
- Health Booklet (if any).
Clinical Examinations
The medical screening process takes on average 150 minutes to complete and there is a series of test that you will have to undertake.
Registration Station
At MCC Registration Counter, you will be required to submit your e7F. As a form of verification, you will be asked for your NRIC or any form of photo identification (e.g. driving license, school pass.)
Clinical Laboratory Station
At the Clinical Laboratory Station blood samples are drawn for G6PD, haemoglobin and blood group typing tests. Simple urine tests to detect the presence of blood, protein and glucose (sugar) will also be carried out for you at the Station.
Dental Station
At the Dental Station, the Dental Officer will carry out an oral examination and Dental Charting. A Dental X-ray or Orthopantomography (OPG) will also be conducted.
X- ray Station
A Chest x-ray (CXR) screening will also be conducted for you at the X-ray Station for the radiological assessment of your heart and lungs.
Eye Station
At the Eye Station routine eye tests are carried out to detect eye abnormalities and test your visual and refractive error.
ENT (Ear, Nose & Throat) Station
At ENT Station an audio test or audiogram will be conducted to detect hearing abnormalities.
Station 6 (Clinical Examination Station)
Station 6 is the Clinical Examination Station, you will undergo height, weight and blood pressure measurements. An electrocardiogram (ECG) will also be done for you in the ECG Room.
After completion of all the clinical investigations and measurements, you will then be examined and evaluated by a Medical officer.
Station 6 Counter (Post Clinical Screening)
Once you have completed the above series of medical screening, you will be medically classified with a PES grading.
Station 6 Counter will also issue instructions for the pre-enlistee if the pre-enlistee is to return to MCC for any further medical investigations.
Other Services
MCC Eye Clinic
The Specialist Eye Clinic at MCC provides medical assessment for eye conditions. An appointment will be made for you during the screening procedure should it be deemed necessary. Please bring all documents regarding any known eye condition for your appointment.
MCC ENT (Ear, Nose and Throat) Clinic)
The Specialist ENT Clinic provides pre-enlistment assessment for ENT complaints. You will be informed if there is a need for you to attend this clinic.
MCC Specialist Psychiatric Clinic
The Specialist Psychiatric Clinic at MCC aims to assess the suitability of a pre-enlistee with regard to psychiatric conditions already known or discovered during the screening process. It is essential to have one parent accompany you should an appointment be made for you and it would greatly shorten the delay to enlistment if you bring all your pre-existing psychiatric medical records for your appointment.
MCC Specialist Orthopedic Clinic
The specialist orthopedic clinic has the purpose of grading a pre-enlistee with regard to any orthopedic problems. A medical officer will be in attendance together with a senior doctor from one of the restructured hospitals. Here we will grade you based on your orthopedic problems. Please bring all medical reports and X-ray films for this visit.
Medical Review
A pre-enlistee with any abnormalities noted during the medical screening will be required to undergo medical review. This can take several forms as appropriately decided by the Medical Officer.
Referral to SAF Military Medicine Institute (MMI) / Government / Restructured Hospitals
The pre-enlistee may be referred to SAF MMI, government / restructured hospitals for further investigations. If the referral is required, he will be given a set of documents to bring along as well as information regarding the date, time and venue. -
Please call the 24/7 NS hotline at 1800-3676767 to speak to a customer service officer.
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Hi,
I am 2 weeks before POP from BMT.
3 weeks ago, I experience shoulder popping sounds on my right shoulder ball socket joint. I didn't bother because I thought it's fine. My right shoulder hurts after BTP live range. Sharp pain near joint when heavy pressure or rotate too much.
One bookout, I'd to carry my black duffle bag on my shoulders due to coy line orders. I didn't sling it properly as we were in a rush. Then I heard a loud 'pop' sound. This time, my right shoulder pain is aggravated, it swell up and went down by book-in but the pain never went away.
In strength training, trying to throw the medicine ball, I heard another pop sound, I tolerated till the end. Alas, my shoulders are worsened. The pain has escalated till exacerbated.
Moreover, I'd an old back injury (diagnosed as prolapsed intervertebral disc). It took me 8 months to recovery to walk without feeling general discomfort. BMT has taken a toll on me and my body, this old injury pain came back. Everyday, I wake up on my bunk bed with needle-like tingling pain on my lower back on the right side of spine. Medical condition: Sciatica?
I have an appointment on 29 September 2014 at KTPH.
NS is only 2 years... Injury may become permanent for life if not properly treated...
1. You request the hospital specialist to write you a memo for PES review...
2. PES review is up to the MO. Not for me or you to decide...
3. Photocopy it. Submit one to MO at Tekong Medical Centre and one to the medical centre of your new NS unit after POP.
Thank you.
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Please submit the hospital specialist memo to the camp doctor to assess and process.
As usual, please refer to this guideline:
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Compensations for Service Injuries
Service injuries are injuries sustained while serving NS.
This also includes injuries sustained when reporting for duty or going home after duty.
You will get free medical treatment for such injuries even after ORD for lifetime.
Remember to first report your injury to your unit MO. Also remember to collect and keep all documents relating to your injury and your treatment. These will help when you submit the injury report and seek claims.Source: http://iprep.ns.sg
(A) Service Injuries
If you sustained an injury during your NS training, it may be considered as attributable to service only when service is the cause of injury. If you sustained an injury during ICT, you are required to report immediately to your unit’s Medical Officer and unit S1. This is so that your unit can arrange to attend to your injury, and document your injury sustained in your medical docket.
Before MINDEF determines that an injury is attributable to service, you are responsible for bearing all medical expenses. Treatment for your injury must be sought at government or restructured hospitals at your eligible ward and referred to by a government or SAF Medical Officer.
In the case of permanent disablement due to service injury, a medical board will be convened. Eligibility for disability compensation will be based on the degree of residual permanent disability as endorsed by the SAF Medical Board.
If your service injury requires continuous medical or hospitalisation leave beyond your ICT period, you are eligible for a stepped-down compensation as a form of ex-gratia payment. Compensation will be based on your civilian pay or an equivalent regular serviceman’s pay (whichever is higher) if you do not receive any income from your employers. This ex-gratia payment is compensation for your loss of income during this period. Payment will cease when you are no longer on medical/hospitalisation leave or when disability compensation is paid, whichever is earlier.How does an injured serviceman make a claim for the medical costs incurred for service injury?
The PMC (Personnel Management Centre) will issue all serviceman with the SI (Service Injury) Card if their injuries have been approved as attributable to service by the Pensions / Awards Officer. The serviceman must produce this card to be eligible for fully-subsidised medical treatment at the government / restructured hospitals.
If the SI Card is not produced when seeking treatment, the serviceman will have to pay for all the medical cost first and seek reimbursement via the respective PMCs with the following documents:
a. the original medical bills and payment receipts
b. a memorandum from the attending doctor to prove that the treatment received was for his service injury.
The serviceman is required to notify his PMC immediately when he loses his SI Card. There will be an administrative charge of $15 for each replacement of lost or defaced SI Card. He will need to make the payment via MINDEF Cashier / Internet and submit the receipt to the unit PMC before he will be issued a new SI Card.
While waiting for the SI Card to be issued or replaced, the serviceman may approach the respective PMCs for the issuance of the SI Memo (a temporary identification document) for the fully-subsidised medical treatment. -
Central Manpower Base (CMPB)
Location: 3 Depot Road Singapore 109680
Operating hours : Mondays to Fridays 0900 hours to 1700 hours
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Here you go:
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Prepare for PTP/BMT: http://iprep.ns.sg/
Secrets to Pass IPPT: http://lifestyle.www.ns.sg/features/fitnessxchange
Source: www.ns.sg , www.army.gov.sg , www.mindef.gov.sg
Source:
www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/atozlistings/army/About_BMT.html
Types of Basic Military Training
PES A/B1 BMT
This 9-week programme trains combat-fit recruits in the basic military skills to prepare them for advanced vocational training. The programme includes weapon training with the SAR 21 rifle which will teach recruits technical handling and marksmanship skills; a Battle Inoculation Course that simulates a real battlefield; a Field Camp which develops basic survival skills; progressive training to complete a 24-km route march which builds combat fitness and endurance; and hand grenade training.
For those who fail to achieve the NAPFA test silver award, they are required to undergo an 8-week Physical Training Phase (PTP) prior to the PES A/B1 BMT.
PES BP BMT
As evidence has shown that obese recruits are able to achieve optimum fitness levels and weight loss in about 19 weeks, the new BMT programme for recruits with Body Mass Index (BMI) scores exceeding 27.0 will be 19 weeks. This BMT programme is designed to help obese recruits improve their physical fitness progressively while equipping them with basic soldiering skills and knowledge.
PES B2 BMT
Enlistees who were PES C1 previously underwent a 7-week BMT programme. The new 9-week PES B2 BMT programme will be conducted for recruits who are medically fit for deployment in selected combat and combat support vocations, such as signal operators, combat medics and naval system operators. These recruits will be given a new medical classification of PES B2, in place of the existing PES C1 classification. This is to ensure that the medical classification of our soldiers is consistent with their deployment. The new 9-week programme will include customised physical training, as well as basic combat training to prepare them for their combat and combat support roles.
PES C BMT
The 9-week BMT programme will be conducted for PES C recruits. This programme will include light physical training and vocational training to prepare them for combat service support vocations, such as service medic, and those related to logistics and administration.
PES E BMT
The 4-week BMT programme will be conducted for PES E recruits. This programme will focus on, vocational training as well as National Education, SAF core values, regimentation and discipline to prepare recruits for combat service support vocations. -
Central Manpower Base (CMPB)
Location: 3 Depot Road Singapore 109680
Operating hours : Mondays to Fridays 0900 hours to 1700 hours
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Please self express interest at the CMPB customer service reception counter for CDO/ NDU vocational assessment selection test.
Vocational Assessment
Upon completion of your pre-enlistment medical screening, you will be required to go through Vocational Assessment at the Vocational Assessment Centre (VAC). This is done using a battery of tests called the Manpower Aptitude Assessment System (MAPAS) to assess your mental abilities. This is so that we can maximize our limited manpower by putting people where their abilities can be best used.
Your Vocational Assessment scores will affect important decisions, which include assignment to a vocation and selection to be a commander (Officer, Specialist).
Therefore, you should put in as much effort as possible to do the tests well and accurately, as this will not only help the nation maximize it's limited manpower, but also help us place you into vocations that will make good use of your abilities.
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Please call the 24/7 NS hotline at 1800-3676767 to speak to a customer service officer.
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hi eac,
i just received a call about my report being returned and a pes grading has been out. however, the ns system has not been updated. i spoke to the lady and asked if the enlistment date was being processed for this year. however, she told me the date can only be processed earliest at next week (end) after the system has been updated.
do you know if its possible for me to speak to an officer in charge of the enlistment issues, like do you have their number or anything? i tried calling NS hotline and the ppl there can't help and were very reluctant. i tried asking the lady who told me about my pes status to help but she say she wasn't fromt he enlistment dept, can't help.
thanks
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Here you go:
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That's the secretary/ personal assistant...
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Go to CMPB and do this...
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MINDEF Quality Service Manager
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NS BMT Enlistment schedule
Pre-enlistees will be required to complete pre-enlistment procedures and medical screening before they are scheduled for enlistment.
They will be scheduled for enlistment into the respective enlistment intakes based on numerous considerations such as the medical & physical fitness and educational qualifications of the individual, as well as the manpower and operational requirements of the various intakes.
In general, pre-enlistees from the same 'A' level/International Baccalaureate (IB) or polytechnic cohort are enlisted over two intakes due to capacity constraints at the NS training schools. For example, 'A' level/ IB holders who graduate in Nov/Dec are typically enlisted in the Dec and Mar quarterly intakes. Polytechnic diploma holders who graduate in Mar/Apr are typically enlisted in the Jun and Sep quarterly intakes. ITE certificate holders and pre-enlistees with other qualifications are enlisted throughout the year.
Pre-enlistees can only be assigned to an enlistment intake after being certified medically fit for enlistment at the pre-enlistment medical screening. Pre-enlistees will receive Enlistment Notices to notify them of their enlistment date about 2 months before their scheduled enlistment.
Notes:
Pre-enlistees who are graded PES A/B1 and who attained a NAPFA Silver or Gold award in the 12 months before their enlistment date will be enlisted for their 9-week BMT directly. Pre-enlistees with PES A/B1 but who have not attained a NAPFA Silver or Gold award in the 12 months before their enlistment date will be enlisted into an 8-week PTP prior to the commencement of their 9-week BMT.
Enlistment dates are subjected to adjustment, due to operational requirements.
If you have queries regarding your enlistment date or the enlistment schedule, please call 1800-eNSNSNS (1800-367 6767) for assistance.
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Hi. I'm a PES B1 NSF in Cadet Pro-Term.
In foundation term, I injuried left big toe in field camp, feeling numb. I ignored it, but now, however, the numbness still not recovered, already been 2 months.
1st, I reported sick in camp medical centre. MO gave Vitamin B Complex pills for nerve repair and said it's alright. But now, 2.5 weeks of Vit B pills, didn't heal. Toe got worsen as pro-term trainings are more tough. Toe feeling more pain and sore as I'm no choice but to shift my weight balance to more pressure on my sole instead of my toes. (eg. 5km, 7km runs, outfield exercises...etc.)
I later went to a hospital, the more qualified medical professional told me:
1) Taking the medication only has a 50% chance of healing (quoted directly from him).
2) The medication has to be taken on a long term basis.
3) A memo is to be given to camp MO for any PES medical review.
4) Given anti-swelling/ pain medicines.
5) There's no fracture shown in the X-ray, but there could be hair-line fractures.
Return to camp medical centre, gave hospital memo to the camp MO, but this camp doctor brushed me off said:
1) The injury isn't that serious.
2) Having just gotten his doctor's licence and medical degree, he's still unsure the healing period.
3) Just issued Att B 3 days, excuse boots and RMJ.
Q1: Does anyone has similar injury before to share their NS experience?
Q2: Is the toe injury serious enough to warrant at least a temporary PES review?
Q3: Is the toe injury must wait until total numbness then a fresh-out-of-school SAF MO take this seriously instead of thinking of NSFs are just malingering (keng)?
Q4: Does a hospital specialist memo carry more weight than an ordinary neighbourhood doctor (General Practitioner (GP))'s note?
Should I just wait out to complete training to get the NS rank to avoid being out of course (OOC) or to seek immediate proper medical attention and care since NS is only 2 years of my life?
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All the relevant information are already on this page as mentioned above.
Please read through carefully and thoroughly.
Please report sick at A&E of any public hospital for more professional medical specialist assessment to get better MCs, medications, treatment and patient care.
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Hi, I completed my combat BMT (PTP) PES B1 and thereafter Enlistee Vocational Training Course to be a Security Trooper (Combatant).
But a back injury sustained in BMT, I need to downgrade PES to take care and recovery after completed the Security Trooper Combat Course.
When I was PES B1, I was drawing a monthly NS allowance of $480 + Combat Allowance of $100 = $580 Total Nett.
So now, as a NSF of Permanent PES C9L9, will the NS combatant allowance ceased payment since from combat-fit PES B1 downgraded to non-combat-fit C9L9 combat service support personnel?
Regards.